Review R10: The Good, Bad and the Ugly vs. Collingwood

[CrowToon]

Have you ever worked in a workplace where the boss has influenced the mindset of the staff?

Treating me like I'm 8 is reflective of yourself.

By all accounts Nicks is incredibly popular within the club and playing group.

Supporters, including myself, hating him is not impacting the team.

Or are you suggesting you know of player discontent?

 

[clinto69]

Don't think we can blame this one on Nicks (although why he doesn't start Berry and have Taylor as sub is beyond me). Berry comes on and suddenly Soligo looks better. Today is squarely on the players.

Good: Fog
Bad: Rankine and Curtain missing goals
Ugly: Milera in Indigenous Round (again)

 

[Scorpus]

I would love you to support your position on those last two points by elaborating.

Because if players are taking set shots I'm not sure what effect he is having. They are getting the shots.

And what is your training regime for big moments? Would love to see the program.

Nicks worries, panics and blames.

Do you reckon Nicks is getting over to Rankine and Curtin supporting them after those poor shots, or is he jumping into his press conference and blaming the players for a lack of composure?

The players have the occasion in their mind because they know it's a big moment and they know they'll be blamed personally if they fail. So they shrink and perform worse.

Extra pressure is piled on because Nicks goes around being nervous about these games.

“There are so many hard match-ups, there’s so many things they do well, which is why they are rated as one of the best teams in the competition at the moment,” Nicks said.

“That’s the challenge that faces us this week, and the group is itching to get over there and have a crack at Collingwood and get a win over a team that has had the wood on us for a while.”

Twice in the presser before the match he brings up how tough they are and how poor we are against them. Of course that rubs off on the players.

So when they're taking those shots they're under the pressure of the big game, knowing it's against a tough opponent we have a poor record against, and knowing they will be blamed if they fail. That's the Nicks way

 

[happy_knackers]

Gotta say I've been massively underwhelmed by what ANB has brought. Regularly shit the bed or otherwise goes missing.

 

[CrowBloke]

Good:
Fog. Soligo second half.

Bad:
Curtin, Rankine, Rachele all choked

Milera. Please go play for Port Elliot SECONDS. Go play for anyone.

Ftfy, agree totally.

Nankervis - not it.

Yep, just gets caught way too often and I see no sign of his Coach stepping in and telling him to fix it.

Curtin had 0 disposals in the last quarter. Getting sick of being told his talent and potential mean he should always get picked.

I wonder same. Still waiting for him to show the goods under pressure.

Tex should not have been picked.

Agree, but it would have taken a bold and decisive, forward-planning Coach to make the call.
We don't have one.

Time to drop 4-5.

Nicks has neither the footy nous nor the cojones.
He's dumber'n a rock, actually, make that a pebble (rocks can be fearsome).

 

[Geoffa32]

I thought this game was lost as a result of 5 massive blunders in the 3rd Q, none of which had anything to do with coaching. Four of those blunders were by Adelaide players, the 5th by yet another incompetent umpire. Those blunders were:

• Curtin misses a set shot from 15m out, directly in front - turning a certain goal into a behind.
• Rankine misses a set shot from 25m out, on a 45 degree angle - fails to score completely, kicking the ball OOTF.
• Rankine repeats his previous blunder, from the same spot, with the same result.
• Fogarty gives away a stupid 50m penalty for knocking the ball out of Darcy Cameron's hands, after Cameron marked 60m out on the wing. Instead of kicking to a congested forward line, Cameron had a set shot from the top of the goal square, and kicked the goal.
• Milera executes a perfectly legal handball, which goes directly to a teammate. The umpire (who was caught out of position) guesses incorrectly that it was a throw. McCreery's subsequent free kick lands on the chest of Hoskin-Elliott, who goals after the siren.

Fogarty had a great game up forward, kicking 4 goals, and was easily the game's dominant forward. That doesn't excuse his brain fart, which directly led to Cameron's goal. Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug - and he had moments as both in this game.

As for the ugly - the ugliest thing I saw out there today was Adelaide's jumper. It was an incoherent mess, which looked like someone vomited all over the place, and then decided to print said vomit on our away jumper. In contrast, Collingwood's indigenous jumper was understated and clean.

Agree

In a close game, these key moments were what cost us the game.


Four of these in our control and we need to be better if we want to win big games

 

[Eddie Murphy]

Wow! You want us to fail just so you can say the coaching staff failed us so we can get rid of them? I’m old school. I want us to win at every game and if that gets us into finals, I’ll take it! I’ve never bought into the sack Nicks hype. It doesn’t interest me one iota

Winning every game would be a very convincing way of entering finals! My point is that we’re looking at scenario similar to our neighbours down the road if we scrape into finals by being flat track bullies. We’ll tick the season off as a success and not look for drastic improvement, despite being as far from a flag as we would be having missed finals.

 

[feenix67]

Treating me like I'm 8 is reflective of yourself.

By all accounts Nicks is incredibly popular within the club and playing group.

Supporters, including myself, hating him is not impacting the team.

Or are you suggesting you know of player discontent?

I'm not talking about discontent. I'm talking about mindset. He doesn't trust the players. He plays a conservative game. Every time we start kicking big scores he actively corrects it.

That's reflected in selection and game day tactics. And it contributes to the mindset of the players he coaches.

 

[Multiballz]

IDK even know who to blame for this one.
Nicks for being defensive AGAIN and accepting a slow scrap.
Our players for choking AGAIN and missing easy shots.
Or umpires for shafting us AGAIN.

Our players are mentally weak, hense the missed shots at the death.
Why? Because their Coach has delivered nothing more than a cushy, unaccountable and mentally weak "culture".

Nothing to fear. Nothing to strive for.
Comfy,cosy,payed on time is all they need.

 

[Minor Threat]

Collingwood players pointing forward literally every time they took a kick

 

[CrowToon]

Nicks worries, panics and blames.

Do you reckon Nicks is getting over to Rankine and Curtin supporting them after those poor shots, or is he jumping into his press conference and blaming the players for a lack of composure?

The players have the occasion in their mind because they know it's a big moment and they know they'll be blamed personally if they fail. So they shrink and perform worse.

Extra pressure is piled on because Nicks goes around being nervous about these games.

“There are so many hard match-ups, there’s so many things they do well, which is why they are rated as one of the best teams in the competition at the moment,” Nicks said.

“That’s the challenge that faces us this week, and the group is itching to get over there and have a crack at Collingwood and get a win over a team that has had the wood on us for a while.”

Twice in the presser before the match he brings up how tough they are and how poor we are against them. Of course that rubs off on the players

You are making a hell of a lot of assumptions about what players are thinking.

You are making a lot of assumptions about what does or doesn't happen behind closed doors.

Where is the player exodus? Where are the JJ leaks to the media?

Arguably the test was the Rachele incident and there was no blow back despite the treatment we all thought was unjust. He seemed to respond well.

This type of evidence wouldn't make it past committal.

Still waiting on that big moment training program when you have a chance to flick it through

 

[CrowBloke]

Set shot kicking is mental. This is an area our guys struggle with. Hence we lose these close games.

Mental toughness and execution under pressure can be Coached.

Re goalkicking --- train our forwards to kick from 25-35m out while being hosed down and using a ball that is slick wet. They'll get the idea, bloody quickly.

 

[CrowToon]

I'm not talking about discontent. I'm talking about mindset. He doesn't trust the players. He plays a conservative game. Every time we start kicking big scores he actively corrects it.

That's reflected in selection and game day tactics. And it contributes to the mindset of the players he coaches.

Tenuous.
Conjecture.

 

[spenze]

Its all selection. Milera and Berry have not been AFL standard for a long time.

We played Berry over Draper, it says everything about this club.

I like Berry and think he is a good fringe player but I don’t care what he has done in the seconds or in a sub role, he doesn’t take games from our number 4 pick.

 

[pjcrows]

I'm happy to debate the tactics on gameday but I'm not prepared to accept Nicks is causing them internal grief to miss.

And on the last point - show me the program.

I'm obviously not an AFL coach so I can't give you a program, obviously. But to suggest that "big moment" players are just naturally gifted and it's an inherent thing that can't be taught or encouraged is ridiculous.

 

[pjcrows]

Tenuous.
Conjecture.

Well, welcome to a football discussion forum. Do you need a guided tour?

 

[Scorpus]

You are making a hell of a lot of assumptions about what players are thinking.

You are making a lot of assumptions about what does or doesn't happen behind closed doors.

Where is the player exodus? Where are the JJ leaks to the media?

Arguably the test was the Rachele incident and there was no blow back despite the treatment we all thought was unjust. He seemed to respond well.

This type of evidence wouldn't make it past committal.

Still waiting on that big moment training program when you have a chance to flick it through

It affects every player on the team.

If it was one or two players choking then maybe it's just them.

With us, the majority of the team completely shits the bed. Then we bring in new players and they shit the bed.

Guess we must be very unlucky all the players we draft and trade in are chokers

 

[Brasher]

Bad....you didn't have to be a genius to know Milera, Nankervis and a wet game Walker would struggle.

But let's role it out as per form and see if we get a different result this time. Insanity defined.

 

[Minor Threat]

Nice spoil towards goals by Cumming

 

[pjcrows]

It's probably deeper than that. We keep picking coaches who assimilate. The last coach we hired that shook the place up was Walsh. The one before that was Malcolm. We are just a conservative organisation.

Well, our President is the current Federal President of the Liberal Party.

 

[CrowToon]

I'm obviously not an AFL coach so I can't give you a program, obviously. But to suggest that "big moment" players are just naturally gifted and it's an inherent thing that can't be taught or encouraged is ridiculous.

No it isn't. It's as fundamental as people having different levels of natural athleticism.

Some people are better thinkers, some people are naturally skillful, others are calmer in stressful situations. Some just have 'it'.

 

[FR0GGY]

My son hasn’t seen us beat Collingwood at the G and he’s nearly ****ing 10!

 

[CrowToon]

Well, welcome to a football discussion forum. Do you need a guided tour?

Yeah I'm commenting on the strength, or lack thereof, of the argument. What do you think you are doing here?

 

[CrowBloke]

Still waiting on that big moment training program when you have a chance to flick it through

We're all "still waiting" for a better Coach who has some idea about Gameplan, execution, insightful selections and Game-moment changes etc etc etc.
C'mon, face it.
Nicks is a dud.

 

[WeeBlake]

Christ, the commentary today was a punish.

Howie and Lyon is a rough combo