Review R10: The Good, Bad and the Ugly vs. Collingwood

[Mattrox]

Which means we're downhill skiiers

Agree, but every non-premiership contender fits the mould.

We are a top 8 side this year. I hope we continue to improve next. If we miss the 8, Nicks is gone. Caveat is we have adequate depth, not premiership depth.

 

[Bovo]

Winning every game would be a very convincing way of entering finals! My point is that we’re looking at scenario similar to our neighbours down the road if we scrape into finals by being flat track bullies. We’ll tick the season off as a success and not look for drastic improvement, despite being as far from a flag as we would be having missed finals.

Are we flat track though? I think to win well against Bombers, Saints, and Carlton are expected from any good team. The win against GWS and Port were built on desperation. Our losses haven’t been an annihilation and we were robbed against GC. Yeah in theory next week should be a thrashing, but you’d expect the same if Brisbane played at home against them. But I will say that i really want a convincing win against a top side because that is what we need to do to be the team we want to be.

 

[jirkago1975]

Who is back line coach? We are very poor in the back line but I feel we have good players there. The structure just isn’t good enough and it leaks goals too easy.
Does Cumming do enough? Both our wingers are poor and don’t provide enough run. Need to print in Dowling and Sholl. Sholl has deficiencies but runs and links up all day.

 

[feenix67]

Your opening line pretty well loses this on the spot. You are making an assumption about me you couldn't know whether it was true or not. I could tell you I am and you can believe me or not but ultimately it means nothing to either of us.

But I will say your inference that leadership has one style kind of exposes you?

Lets not turn this into a debate on leadership research but suffice to say that you are committing THE cardinal sin which is to make assumptions rather than rely on exposed evidence.

Nice dodge of the point, which was actually the answer to your question.

 

[CrowToon]

I wonder if that's a bad thing?

If a perennial unsuccessful leader is extremely popular, what does that say about the drive and expectations of our group as a whole?

Maybe there's not enough friction.

Maybe. But that doesn't support the arguments being put forth about this topic.

 

[CrowToon]

Nice dodge of the point, which was actually the answer to your question.

Was it? Try again, help me out and get to your point without all the personal stuff. Maybe I'll absorb it second time around

 

[Brasher]

I wonder if that's a bad thing?

If a perennial unsuccessful leader is extremely popular, what does that say about the drive and expectations of our group as a whole?

Maybe there's not enough friction.

I've worked in one of those companies. 80% of budget, scrambling to close out year end deals whilst the happy clappers in the office are hanging Christmas decorations in October.

I left because we had a leader who was a good bloke who would never push anyone and avoid tension.

 

[CrowToon]

Then work out who is in what group and coach moments ie pass the ball off to the high pressure players

Help out those who struggle at one thing ie RoB and handballs - DONT HANDBALL TO ROB etc

Yeah. And we can observe that.

We can't assume players' mental states and opinions just to suit our own beliefs.

 

[Southerntakeover]

It affects every player on the team.

If it was one or two players choking then maybe it's just them.

With us, the majority of the team completely shits the bed. Then we bring in new players and they shit the bed.

Guess we must be very unlucky all the players we draft and trade in are chokers

And with us, it's even guys who come in with massive amounts of confidence that we turn into self doubting moment shirkers. At Collingwood Rankine and Rachelle nail those kicks.

 

[MRB37]

I wonder if that's a bad thing?

If a perennial unsuccessful leader is extremely popular, what does that say about the drive and expectations of our group as a whole?

Maybe there's not enough friction.

Shows you the difference between this group and the last one where the leaders apparently went to Roo and said "Sando ain't it"

 

[Danger in Texas]

Third quarter blunders in front of goal cost us this one. Had a bit of momentum at that point. Otherwise, we were decently in it until then, but never took the bull by the horns

Dawson, Fog, Soligo, Laird, Hinge good. Peatling, ROB solid. Everyone else with shockers

 

[Eddie Murphy]

Are we flat track though? I think to win well against Bombers, Saints, and Carlton are expected from any good team. The win against GWS and Port were built on desperation. Our losses haven’t been an annihilation and we were robbed against GC. Yeah in theory next week should be a thrashing, but you’d expect the same if Brisbane played at home against them. But I will say that i really want a convincing win against a top side because that is what we need to do to be the team we want to be.

We’ll see. IMO we’ve had four genuine tests this year and lost all four of them, which leans towards flat-track territory.

 

[pjcrows]

Your opening line pretty well loses this on the spot. You are making an assumption about me you couldn't know whether it was true or not. I could tell you I am and you can believe me or not but ultimately it means nothing to either of us.

But I will say your inference that leadership has one style kind of exposes you?

Lets not turn this into a debate on leadership research but suffice to say that you are committing THE cardinal sin which is to make assumptions rather than rely on exposed evidence.

The exposed evidence is that we continually lose the same way, we continually see the same attitude at selection, we continually lose to the same teams (we've literally still only beaten the teams we beat last year), and we have a coach has been at the helm for 6 years for a 35% winning record.

I think we can make some assumptions, as the evidence is rather exposed.

 

[Firewalker]

What an angry experience that was, has taken nearly an hour to calm down and get some thoughts out;

Same old, same old, especially versus Collingwood. Disappearing for a chuck of time in quarters, shitting the bed when pressure came, reverting to overly simplistic ball movement, spraying too many chances, some horror umpiring decisions with that throw call at the end of the 3rd and Worrell’s hbd that gifted goals to Collingwood.

Good:

Clamping down on Daicos a win of sorts for Nicks considering previous efforts on him and other premier mids this year.

Dawson magnificent

Laird & Hinge were good down back

Fogarty’s 2nd quarter kept them in it given no one else was providing much up forward.

Soligo fought against his body to be one of the few that was desperate in the 2nd half.

O’Brien again dragged an opposition star ruck down to his level. Has there ever been a tagging ruckman? Because ROB’s the closest I’ve seen.


Bad:

Lacking any speed in outside roles and up forward, that leads to no half back run and carry, no impact off wings and no dangerous small pressure forwards for opposition to worry about… which just limits your ability to beat well structured teams like Collingwood, been the same old problem post 2017 and has never been fixed.

Nankervis has played himself into the 2s, a confused mess - has been Nicks’ed

Love what Taylor does but simply doesn’t have the attitude or game overall to impact long enough or hard enough for where he’s being played at AFL level.

The recruits of ANB & Cumming did not stand up & let down the club today. Can argue both being used wrong by the coaches though - Cumming needs to be played in the defensive end.

Milera is a tub of Meadow Lea left out in the sun, a no intensity, panic merchant who shouldn’t be anywhere near an AFL defence… but is too confused/soft to play anything other than loose halfback.

Forwards were way too easy to play against - again, needed to isolate Thilthorpe deep and need to kick the ball to him far more than they do. Entries didn’t help.

Ugly

Tex being picked, Tex travelling over to Melbourne, Tex getting on the team bus to the MCG, Tex playing 2 and a half quarters on the MCG today and allowing Jeremy Howe

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Jeremy Howe

Age

35

Ht

190cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.0

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

5.7

4star

M

6.4

5star

T

2.1

4star

MG

318.1

4star

D

21.5

5star

K

16.5

5star

HB

5.0

3star

M

6.5

5star

T

2.0

3star

MG

433.3

5star

D

15.2

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

6.2

4star

M

6.8

5star

T

1.6

4star

to just do want he wanted.

Nicks allowing the above to happen.

Ground ball effort again - especially in the 1st half would’ve disgusted the late Phil Walsh

The over reliance on the miraculous players pulling the team out of the fire rather than having the consistently very good players to put the team in strong positions sums up this team and Nicks’ job saving short-sighted attitude on gameday.

Rankine and Rachele again doing some good things but because they are more into the spectacular the poor things they also did again seemed to occur because they fail to deal with pressure situations. Probably still don’t deal the best when feeling like they have been forced to carry too much of a burden given what is lacking within this team.

Ben Keays

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Ben Keays

Age

28

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.1

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.9

5star

G

0.4

3star

D

13.7

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

5.0

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.7

4star

G

0.3

3star

D

13.0

4star

K

4.8

2star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.4

2star

T

4.4

5star

G

0.4

3star

deciding to have a 2-hour jog on the grass instead of playing a game of football today was hugely impactful on losing this game.

Milera’s manager managing to screw the club again - bloke should be playing for free after the last 5 years and even then he shouldn’t be picked even if he was playing for free after today.


The only slight bit of comic relief was ROB’s attempted slide tackle on the wing in the last quarter, was one of the funniest things I’ve seen on a footy field. Obviously saw Ladhams try a bicycle kick last night so tried his own soccer skills today.

 

[feenix67]

Was it? Try again, help me out and get to your point without all the personal stuff. Maybe I'll absorb it second time around

Like saying "give me a successful training program for big moments, go ahead I'll wait"?

How about getting off the hypocrite train.

 

[pjcrows]

You cannot see how your argument isn't about what you've described? This has moved from big game players to the mental side of the game. You cannot actually be seriously expecting me to take the argument seriously when you aren't making a like comparison?

What are you talking about?

You said big game moments can't be taught. I said they certainly can. You asked me to provide examples. I provided three.

 

[CrowToon]

The exposed evidence is that we continually lose the same way, we continually see the same attitude at selection, we continually lose to the same teams (we've literally still only beaten the teams we beat last year), and we have a coach has been at the helm for 6 years for a 35% winning record.

I think we can make some assumptions, as the evidence is rather exposed.

Yes its exposed for gameday tactics and the like.

It isn't exposed for what Nicks' impact on players missing set shots is.

 

[CrowBloke]

5 of the last 6 have been close despite Collingwood having a premiership capable team in that time and Adelaide being bottom 4.

Close, shmose.

Aren't you sick of the Crows losing under Nicks, close or not?

 

[Bovo]

We’ll see. IMO we’ve had four genuine tests this year and lost all four of them, which leans towards flat-track territory.

Who were the four? GC, Collingwood, and Geelong?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Agree, but every non-premiership contender fits the mould.

We are a top 8 side this year. I hope we continue to improve next. If we miss the 8, Nicks is gone. Caveat is we have adequate depth, not premiership depth.

We are not using our depth, except for injury though.

Today was yet another missed opportunity to manage players who clearly could do with a break.

 

[MRB37]

Nicks post-match, R10: 'We know we're a good side, but we want to be a great side'

Watch Kuwarna’s press conference after round ten’s match against Collingwood

www.afl.com.au

 

[Eddie Murphy]

Who were the four? GC, Collingwood, and Geelong?

Fremantle in Perth is also test territory. Notably all games we lost last year and hadn’t had much improvement from since.

 

[CrowBloke]

Looked injured, couldn’t run

Looked Nicksed, can't impact the game.

 

[Bovo]

Fremantle in Perth is also test territory. Notably all games we lost last year and hadn’t had much improvement from since.

Yeah that one. Yeah I agree with that one

 

[feenix67]

Nicks post-match, R10: 'We know we're a good side, but we want to be a great side'

Watch Kuwarna’s press conference after round ten’s match against Collingwood

www.afl.com.au

Exactly as I predicted CrowToon