Review R10: The Good, Bad and the Ugly vs. Collingwood

[CrowToon]

It affects every player on the team.

If it was one or two players choking then maybe it's just them.

With us, the majority of the team completely shits the bed. Then we bring in new players and they shit the bed.

Guess we must be very unlucky all the players we draft and trade in are chokers

We are a pretty accurate team aren't we? Today we missed our chances. We arent 15th anymore.

 

[CrowToon]

We're all "still waiting" for a better Coach who has some idea about Gameplan, execution, insightful selections and Game-moment changes etc etc etc.
C'mon, face it.
Nicks is a dud.

Yeah I've said several times im on Team SackNicks but let's not invent stuff when there is a whole war chest of stuff to pick from

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Well, our President is the current Federal President of the Liberal Party.

The epitome of loser stench.

 

[feenix67]

Tenuous.
Conjecture.

You've obviously never been a leader. It is very basic human psychology. Trust your people, empower them, give them the tools to succeed and back them.

None of those qualities are evident and it's not arguable. Playing Tex today was stupid. Playing an up an down the line game was conservative. Listen to his presse, he will blame the players, he does it all the time.

We looked great against Gold Coast and could have won. What does e do? Lament the shoot out and talk about defence. We have played conservatively ever since.

 

[Multiballz]

We're all "still waiting" for a better Coach who has some idea about Gameplan, execution, insightful selections and Game-moment changes etc etc etc.
C'mon, face it.
Nicks is a dud.

Its far simpler than that. We need a Coach that inspires first and foremost.
I.e, a Winner not a progressive buddy type uncle figure.

Nicks = Ken lite.

 

[pjcrows]

No it isn't. It's as fundamental as people having different levels of natural athleticism.

Some people are better thinkers, some people are naturally skillful, others are calmer in stressful situations. Some just have 'it'.

Can you explain why Brisbane's players went from perennial chokers to comeback kings?

McRae has instilled unbelievable confidence and mental resilience in his players, a number of whom choked under Buckley.

Or out our own club. Malcolm Blight's influence.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Treating me like I'm 8 is reflective of yourself.

By all accounts Nicks is incredibly popular within the club and playing group.

Supporters, including myself, hating him is not impacting the team.

Or are you suggesting you know of player discontent?

I wonder if that's a bad thing?

If a perennial unsuccessful leader is extremely popular, what does that say about the drive and expectations of our group as a whole?

Maybe there's not enough friction.

 

[feenix67]

We played Berry over Draper, it says everything about this club.

I like Berry and think he is a good fringe player but I don’t care what he has done in the seconds or in a sub role, he doesn’t take games from our number 4 pick.

We played Tex over Draper you mean. Berry was perfect for those conditions.

 

[pjcrows]

Yeah I'm commenting on the strength, or lack thereof, of the argument. What do you think you are doing here?

Calling a spade a spade.

 

[Geoffa32]

Can you explain why Brisbane's players went from perennial chokers to comeback kings?

McRae has instilled unbelievable conference and mental resilience in his players, a number of whom choked under Buckley.

Or out our own club. Malcolm Blight's influence.

The majority of coaching is teaching.

The good coaches teach their players match craft and increase their Footy IQ.

 

[Mutineer]

Its all selection. Milera and Berry have not been AFL standard for a long time.

Berry was pretty good when he came on I thoight, if you extrapolated his 30% T.O.G. over 4 quarters he wouldn't have been close to our worst. It's time he got some full games before we judge him.

 

[Eddie Murphy]

I thought this game was lost as a result of 5 massive blunders in the 3rd Q, none of which had anything to do with coaching. Four of those blunders were by Adelaide players, the 5th by yet another incompetent umpire. Those blunders were:

• Curtin misses a set shot from 15m out, directly in front - turning a certain goal into a behind.
• Rankine misses a set shot from 25m out, on a 45 degree angle - fails to score completely, kicking the ball OOTF.
• Rankine repeats his previous blunder, from the same spot, with the same result.
• Fogarty gives away a stupid 50m penalty for knocking the ball out of Darcy Cameron's hands, after Cameron marked 60m out on the wing. Instead of kicking to a congested forward line, Cameron had a set shot from the top of the goal square, and kicked the goal.
• Milera executes a perfectly legal handball, which goes directly to a teammate. The umpire (who was caught out of position) guesses incorrectly that it was a throw. McCreery's subsequent free kick lands on the chest of Hoskin-Elliott, who goals after the siren.

Fogarty had a great game up forward, kicking 4 goals, and was easily the game's dominant forward. That doesn't excuse his brain fart, which directly led to Cameron's goal. Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug - and he had moments as both in this game.

As for the ugly - the ugliest thing I saw out there today was Adelaide's jumper. It was an incoherent mess, which looked like someone vomited all over the place, and then decided to print said vomit on our away jumper. In contrast, Collingwood's indigenous jumper was understated and clean.

I’ll agree that this loss was more on the players than coaches (not that they were perfect either). But after so many fails in big tests over the last couple years you can’t give the coaches so much leeway. The quantity of failures suggest it’s something far more systematic than the players failing to execute.

 

[Multiballz]

I wonder if that's a bad thing?

If a perennial unsuccessful leader is extremely popular, what does that say about the drive and expectations of our group as a whole?

Maybe there's not enough friction.

This!!!,

But are our pencil pushers capable of accepting a bit of colour and a ruffled feather or two? I doubt it.
Nah, we love our culture exactly this shade of beige it is right now.

 

[pjcrows]

I wonder if that's a bad thing?

If a perennial unsuccessful leader is extremely popular, what does that say about the drive and expectations of our group as a whole?

Maybe there's not enough friction.

Sometimes coaches are popular with players because they help them be winners. Sometimes coaches are popular with players because they make them feel good, regardless of success.

We obviously have the latter.

 

[Mattrox]

That will only happen if we make Finals.

Nicks will be sacked, if we dont play Finals in 2025.

If we don't make finals this year, he deserves it. If he does make finals, play on.

 

[Mattrox]

Sometimes coaches are popular with players because they help them be winners. Sometimes coaches are popular with players because they make them feel good, regardless of success.

We obviously have the latter.

I've heard that sometimes the players aren't happy with him. Not sure that tracks.

 

[BRL121]

Curtin belongs.

It was a finals-style game, so we can see who is up to it.
Hinge, in particular, seems to rise to the occasion, Milera, not so much.

Berry hasn't improved with the haircut. He still thinks he is fast, ignores the oppo, and gets run down. It's a systemic fault.

Rankine had a shocker, apart from the sublime goal in the first. Is he a finals player?

 

[GreyCrow]

And what is your training regime for big moments? Would love to see the program.

By all accounts Nicks is incredibly popular within the club and playing group.

I agree that Nicks cant kick the ball on goal himself - I agree the players love Nicks

But

To answer your question in the best way I can

Why wouldnt the players love Nicks - there is no pressure to perform there is no accountability there is no selection integrity. 'Wayne listen mate you need to better - come here and give is a hug bro and hey lets be better ok '

This goes to the training moment for the big moments - I mean if you want to classify kicking at goals in R10 as a big moment - one of the ways I would do it is set aside the noise cannons - from the tv it looked like Rankine let the noise get to him

There are ways you can set up distractions while kicking at practice - oh and you stay out there until you make XX shots perfectly. Boohoo if your dinner is getting cold

Thats how you set up a program

But the measure you bring along side of this is selection integrity . Do a survey of who continually shits the bed. I posted 3 years ago how soft Murphy was away and it took 3 more years to remove him from the team. It should have happened earlier

You can instruct those who miss to seek alternatives on the field and you instruct the group to be open to the give off.

Little things

 

[Mattrox]

Ugly:
The Crows invite being fisted by the umpires. Winners don't get consistently ****ed over, losers do.

Non Victorians of all stripes get ****ed over. I don't think this a uniquely Crows thing.

 

[NTRabbit]

Same old points of failure, same old failed players. Could write a book on this failed organisation at this stage.

 

[Mattrox]

Curtin belongs.

It was a finals-style game, so we can see who is up to it.
Hinge, in particular, seems to rise to the occasion, Milera, not so much.

Berry hasn't improved with the haircut. He still thinks he is fast, ignores the oppo, and gets run down. It's a systemic fault.

Rankine had a shocker, apart from the sublime goal in the first. Is he a finals player?

Is he a finals player... Spare me.

Players are allowed down games with out being crucified.

Go touch some grass.

 

[CrowToon]

You've obviously never been a leader. It is very basic human psychology. Trust your people, empower them, give them the tools to succeed and back them.

None of those qualities are evident and it's not arguable. Playing Tex today was stupid. Playing an up an down the line game was conservative. Listen to his presse, he will blame the players, he does it all the time.

We looked great against Gold Coast and could have won. What does e do? Lament the shoot out and talk about defence. We have played conservatively ever since.

Your opening line pretty well loses this on the spot. You are making an assumption about me you couldn't know whether it was true or not. I could tell you I am and you can believe me or not but ultimately it means nothing to either of us.

But I will say your inference that leadership has one style kind of exposes you?

Lets not turn this into a debate on leadership research but suffice to say that you are committing THE cardinal sin which is to make assumptions rather than rely on exposed evidence.

 

[Cromulant]

Curtin belongs.

It was a finals-style game, so we can see who is up to it.
Hinge, in particular, seems to rise to the occasion, Milera, not so much.

Berry hasn't improved with the haircut. He still thinks he is fast, ignores the oppo, and gets run down. It's a systemic fault.

Rankine had a shocker, apart from the sublime goal in the first. Is he a finals player?

Berry one of the least of our issues TBH.

Milera very ordinary, Keays worse, something isn't right with Soligo and Rankines set shots are pretty ordinary.

I liked a lot of what we did TBH

 

[GreyCrow]

No it isn't. It's as fundamental as people having different levels of natural athleticism.

Some people are better thinkers, some people are naturally skillful, others are calmer in stressful situations. Some just have 'it'.

Then work out who is in what group and coach moments ie pass the ball off to the high pressure players

Help out those who struggle at one thing ie RoB and handballs - DONT HANDBALL TO ROB etc

 

[CrowToon]

Can you explain why Brisbane's players went from perennial chokers to comeback kings?

McRae has instilled unbelievable confidence and mental resilience in his players, a number of whom choked under Buckley.

Or out our own club. Malcolm Blight's influence.

You cannot see how your argument isn't about what you've described? This has moved from big game players to the mental side of the game. You cannot actually be seriously expecting me to take the argument seriously when you aren't making a like comparison?