Review R20: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly vs. Port: Like taking candy from a baby

[ams4crows]

I could see someone like Ross Lyon naming an umpire as BOG.

As it's a legitimate AFL award I don't think the AFL would allow for shenanigans like that.

But I do wonder if an opposition Player gave away say a lot of frees that helped you win if it would be cheeky to give them votes.

ie H Reid vs Port, was West Coast's best but would Ken give him 3 votes instead of 2 or 1 because of the frees he gave away that lead Port to win.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Fogarty is quick. It's his turning circle that is the problem moving around the ground. (Also I suspect he's entered a "played through an injury when he shouldn't have" downturn like in late 2023).

Walker is probably even less agile. But does not need to change direction often due to being able to handball and kick on both sides of his body.


Or if his performance drops off less than the defender next to him.

Don't need much of turning circle of you can fend off players.

Fog doesn't get caught much as is a beast.

 

[Dirty Bird]

Yes.
At first, RoB handballed (played on) to Keays who snapped a goal which was disallowed.
The ball was called back to RoB who then did the same thing (handballed to Keays) but the Umpires again stopped the play.
I don't know why.

RoB then lined up to kick checkside (which made me groan) but kicked the goal, and goodonim .

You can't enter the protected zone. Unless you're following your opponent within 2m.

Umpire had called time on (hence first cessation), then he stopped Keays (twice) for entering the protected zone. I was half expecting a reversal as a 'I ****ing told you Ben' But he stopped

But the question it raises it when team members run into the protected zone for a handball receive in general play, like on the wing. What's the difference? They're the exact same thing.

They may have gotten the ROB/Keays call right here, but that might be the 1 in 50 they get right as it's play on the other 49 out of 50 times.

 

[Dirty Bird]

We got a another good run from the umps. Has been like this for a while now. A lot more dodgy calls in our favour than theirs.

Umpires just need to chill the **** out and stop thinking they're the focus of the game.

I think from the halfway point in the 1st it was pretty even.
It's just we were 9-1 by that point.

 

[suburpy]

You can't enter the protected zone. Unless you're following your opponent within 2m.

Umpire had called time on (hence first cessation), then he stopped Keays (twice) for entering the protected zone. I was half expecting a reversal as a 'I ****ing told you Ben' But he stopped

But the question it raises it when team members run into the protected zone for a handball receive in general play, like on the wing. What's the difference? They're the exact same thing.

They may have gotten the ROB/Keays call right here, but that might be the 1 in 50 they get right as it's play on the other 49 out of 50 times.

Most likely on the wing that they haven’t called time on being the difference. Still doesn’t quite explain the protected zone but.

 

[CrowBloke]

Thanks for taking the time to explain the following:

You can't enter the protected zone. Unless you're following your opponent within 2m.

I thought that applied to opposition players, not teammates, for the reasons you mention below.

Umpire had called time on (hence first cessation)

But players often play on after a mark, after time-on is called, whether they are shooting for goal or just general play.

then he stopped Keays (twice) for entering the protected zone.

As above, isn't the "protected zone" to protect the marking player from opponents?

I was half expecting a reversal as a 'I ****ing told you Ben'

Can they do that on a whim, or is it a rule?

But the question it raises it when team members run into the protected zone for a handball receive in general play, like on the wing. What's the difference? They're the exact same thing.

Exactly this!
Teammates often run within the protected zone to get a handball and play on, reducing the time opponents can set up downfield.
What's the difference? I have no idea.

They may have gotten the ROB/Keays call right here, but that might be the 1 in 50 they get right as it's play on the other 49 out of 50 times.

My old mind is wandering now ...
Tbh, I do have some sympathy for Umpires some of whose (odd) decisions are called from bad angles (ie unsighted) or just plain mistakes.
We all make mistakes; players too, but Umps never reverse decisions, well, not that I have seen anyway.
1) that renders players' protests/complaints useless --- a waste of time and energy --- and I have a lot of respect for players who just get on with it. Arguing with Umps can really cost the team if they decide it's dissent.
2) I can see a time coming when a player will be able to challenge an Ump's call (like DRS in Cricket) based on video replay.
However, that would open a whole new can of worms eg if 'advantage' is called, do they bring the play back?
When can the challenge be made?? etc etc (rant rave digress , ha! lol@me)

 

[CrowBloke]

Don't need much of turning circle of you can fend off players.

Fog doesn't get caught much as is a beast.

Fog is a fending beast, for sure.
I love a good, strong fend especially if it pushes the other player off his feet.
I remember a game vs WCE when Fog fended, ducked, dodged and weaved his way through and around three opponents.

We have a couple of others who fend very effectively relative to their size; Rankine and Soligo.

 

[FR0GGY]

Fog is a fending beast, for sure.
I love a good, strong fend especially if it pushes the other player off his feet.
I remember a game vs WCE when Fog fended, ducked, dodged and weaved his way through and around three opponents.

We have a couple of others who fend very effectively relative to their size; Rankine and Soligo.

We are the number 1 tackle breaking team.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Fog is a fending beast, for sure.
I love a good, strong fend especially if it pushes the other player off his feet.
I remember a game vs WCE when Fog fended, ducked, dodged and weaved his way through and around three opponents.

We have a couple of others who fend very effectively relative to their size; Rankine and Soligo.

Soligo’s developed that side of his game extremely well, I don’t remember him being able to do it consistently last year

Next step is to build his touches per game so it can be in the 25+ range all season

 

[cleanhands]

We are the number 1 tackle breaking team.

 

[Vader]

You can't enter the protected zone. Unless you're following your opponent within 2m.

Umpire had called time on (hence first cessation), then he stopped Keays (twice) for entering the protected zone. I was half expecting a reversal as a 'I ****ing told you Ben' But he stopped

But the question it raises it when team members run into the protected zone for a handball receive in general play, like on the wing. What's the difference? They're the exact same thing.

They may have gotten the ROB/Keays call right here, but that might be the 1 in 50 they get right as it's play on the other 49 out of 50 times.

I thought it was because the umpire had called time off, while he set ROB on the mark, and ROB attempted to play on (handballing to Keays) before he blew time on again.

Normally this isn't a problem, if players are up on the wing. However, when the mark is being set on a tight angle, and the kicker is being brought round, the umpire won't let them play on until the mark has been set and time on blown.

I could be wrong...

 

[PeterSalt]

lol .. sound up

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I thought it was because the umpire had called time off, while he set ROB on the mark, and ROB attempted to play on (handballing to Keays) before he blew time on again.

Normally this isn't a problem, if players are up on the wing. However, when the mark is being set on a tight angle, and the kicker is being brought round, the umpire won't let them play on until the mark has been set and time on blown.

I could be wrong...

He didn't seem to allow Keays into the area even after ROB was on the correct angle and the clock was ticking

Seems like once they set up the exclusion zone and clear players away, that's it. No one can enter it from either team until there's a play on call.

Which as Dirty Bird points out above, is different to a mark anywhere else on the field

I wonder if this difference is spelled out in the rules or if it's just how things have evolved?

 

[GameofSloanes]

Don't need much of turning circle of you can fend off players.

Fog doesn't get caught much as is a beast.

He's also deceptively quick. Ran away from Bont a couple of weeks ago for a goal

 

[ET Sloane Home]

yeah the wet weather really impeded Fog, Tex, and Filthy

If I’m remembering correctly there was a passage of play where TT took it out of the ruck from a throw in on the wing, kicked it forward where either Fog/Tex took a mark, who then kicked it to the remaining tall in the goal square for a mark and goal. And they said 3 talls can’t play together.

Forgive me if any of that is incorrect, I was watching a delayed game after midnight at this point

 

[Interloperer]

He didn't seem to allow Keays into the area even after ROB was on the correct angle and the clock was ticking

Seems like once they set up the exclusion zone and clear players away, that's it. No one can enter it from either team until there's a play on call.

Which as Dirty Bird points out above, is different to a mark anywhere else on the field

I wonder if this difference is spelled out in the rules or if it's just how things have evolved?

Nobody is allowed to enter the protected zone around the free kick taker until they play on. From either team. If it were a Port player it would have been a 50m penalty. But if its a player from the same team they just bring the ball back to take the free kick again.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Nobody is allowed to enter the protected zone around the free kick taker until they play on. From either team. If it were a Port player it would have been a 50m penalty. But if its a player from the same team they just bring the ball back to take the free kick again.

Indeed

But why on the top of the 50m arc for instance can a teammate receive a handball right alongside the kicker?

 

[Interloperer]

Indeed

But why on the top of the 50m arc for instance can a teammate receive a handball right alongside the kicker?

There's a few things. (honestly I think they just don't care as long as you aren't taking the piss)

* If a player is inside the protected zone to start with, they are supposed to leave but the free kick taker does not have to wait for them to leave to play on.

* When the protected zone was expanded to 10m, it stayed at 5m behind the taker. So players running from behind can get much closer than those on the sides.

* It takes time from playing on to execute the handball and for the ball to travel.

* After the game in 2022 when Adelaide conceded a million 50m penalties against zigzagging Port players. The rule was changed so that players can leave directly in a straight line, rather than having to deviate at 90 degrees. The free kick taker can move backwards on the line without playing on, bringing a loitering teammate into the protected zone. Said teammate then "leaves" the protected zone by running forward in a straight line past the free kick taker, who then plays on and hands them the ball.

I think the main issue with the ROB kick was that the umpire had blown time-off and gone to the trouble of moving players out. They are much stricter on players entering the zone vs players already in there not leaving immediately. Like how if you are in the marking contest you can generally hold on a bit if you concede a mark, but if you are late then barely brushing them will be a 50m penalty.

 

[jbanger]

lol .. sound up

That's what I was talking about!

 

[Redleg Crow]

It has to be Nicks voting for Curtin, making sure he wins the RS

tbh in the 3rd quarter when we drew away from them, Curtin was immense

 

[Mutineer]

 

[Fire]

that was... actually reasonably funny