Prediction R21: Changes v Fremantle

[Vader]

Except he was dropped.

Once, for one game, after a really bad game. Safe to say that he didn't meet the coaches' expectations for that game. Not safe to extrapolate that over the rest of the season.

 

[King Elvis]

Once, for one game, after a really bad game. Safe to say that he didn't meet the coaches' expectations for that game. Not safe to extrapolate that over the rest of the season.

When have we dropped an established player for a single bad game? Douglas has played 2 or 3 stinkers, we didn't drop him.

It's a very reasonable assumption that he was finally dropped due to a run of sub-standard performances, culminating in the shocker against Collingwood.

 

[Red mist]

The truth is that basically every measure we have states that he shouldn't be in the side, and his contribution when he is, isn't rated.

That's the truth, the fact that he's selected regardless, is what leads to conspiracy theories.

How am I supposed to know

 

[TheLeftFist8]

I'd take an 80% Knight, Menzel or Hampton over Mackay come finals.

 

[GreyCrow]

I'd take an 80% Knight, Menzel or Hampton over Mackay come finals.

So you would carry passengers?

 

[Scorpus]

So you would carry passengers?

No. That's why we should replace Mackay for finals

 

[Paladin]

To put this into context, he started 2015 really well and his votes reflected that. His form then evaporated completely, and once again, his votes reflected that too. Eventually, he was dropped, as you'd expect. What I still don't understand is why he was brought back for the finals, but this isn't the time or place for that discussion. That was 2015.

What we don't know is how he's polling in the club B&F voting this year. We know his performances have been much, much better than they were in 2015. Last year he averaged a pitiful 13.8 disposals per game. This year, he's increased that by roughly 50% to 19.8. Statistically, this is his 2nd best season (2009 being his PB). There is no reason to think that the coaches are unhappy with him this year, the way they were last year.

Your argument states that he "isn't" playing his role and doing his part. You don't know that. You can't know that, unless you've spoken to the coaches or seen their votes for 2016. I'm assuming that neither of these is true, so your argument has no basis.

His second best season?

Mackay has been dropped this year and has less coaches votes than nearly every player that has suited up.

They can't be that happy with him - I guess expectations are very low

 

[Vader]

When have we dropped an established player for a single bad game? Douglas has played 2 or 3 stinkers, we didn't drop him.

It's a very reasonable assumption that he was finally dropped due to a run of sub-standard performances, culminating in the shocker against Collingwood.

Except that his form in the preceding games wasn't bad at all - he played OK against Carlton, Melbourne and North Melbourne.

He's close to the last man picked right now. No argument there. The week we played Geelong he dropped out of the bottom of the 22. He came back the following week, when we had 2 players drop out with injury.

 

[Red mist]

I am more arguing for the selection policy and not the selection of Mackay. I would ( like to think ) argue the same if another player was getting continually selected

Crap really. NikkiNoo ranging it.

 

[Mattrox]

People DO say this though - they'll say that all teams have weak links or that the Crows had some duds in 97 and 98.

As though it's desirable to have some weak links and duds.

They do say the 1st part.

They do not imply the 2nd at all.

People hate a particular player than trot out "we won't win a premiership with....."

Given that premierships don't come that often we could say that about any number of players including gun players and it be true.

The line used gives no particular analysis. It's a cliche, used week in week out.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

So you would carry passengers?

The irony!

 

[King Elvis]

Yep, and remember, people have considered this a good year for Mackay.


Take in how low that bar is.

Thought so; cheers

 

[Red mist]

Funk where's yo misses.

 

[King Elvis]

Except that his form in the preceding games wasn't bad at all - he played OK against Carlton, Melbourne and North Melbourne.

He's close to the last man picked right now. No argument there. The week we played Geelong he dropped out of the bottom of the 22. He came back the following week, when we had 2 players drop out with injury.

You don't need to tell me when he was dropped and when he came back in, I'm well aware of that?

His form in the preceding games wasn't good enough; 'not bad at all' is not good enough.

As Paladin says;

His second best season?

Mackay has been dropped this year and has less coaches votes than nearly every player that has suited up.

They can't be that happy with him - I guess expectations are very low

He's been dropped.

Non existent in the coaches votes.

Presumably only still in due to injuries, and our irrational fear of not having senior players in the side - even if they're the biggest handicaps to success we have.

 

[rocket18]

Never said this. If people think coaches select a player , in a game as important as a GF , just to troll BigFooty then it shows how stupid some posters are. Mackay for all his faults must have something the coaches like over another player. When they stop liking what he has he will be dropped.

Club fanbois do come up with some interesting comments, has anyone suggested the club picks underperforming senior players to troll BF.

They do it as it's the conservative option that will escape criticism, "oh they have kept the 200 game player in even though he is down on form as he brings alot of experience" - this has been our club ethos for the last decade.

Good sides dont have passengers, the whole team has a role to play, sure some aren't as talented as others but they can still perform an important job for the team.

 

[Paladin]

Except that his form in the preceding games wasn't bad at all - he played OK against Carlton, Melbourne and North Melbourne.

He's close to the last man picked right now. No argument there. The week we played Geelong he dropped out of the bottom of the 22. He came back the following week, when we had 2 players drop out with injury.

Mackay was woeful against Carlton. Don't you remember the turnover goal, the soft push over in the goalsquare and the ball knocking him over?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I'd take an 80% Knight, Menzel or Hampton over Mackay come finals.

I'd bring Jaensch back

 

[Elite Crow]

Mackay was woeful against Carlton. Don't you remember the turnover goal, the soft push over in the goalsquare and the ball knocking him over?

It's laughable that the Mackay supporters can't even admit he would not have been dropped after one game. It's unheard of that we would do that to a senior player.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

They do say the 1st part.

They do not imply the 2nd at all.

The first implies the second.

Drop Mackay. We can't win a premiership with him.

Yes we can because we won one with Keating.

Ergo it's ok to have bad players.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Honestly how did Mackay ever get to the stage of being considered a 'senior player' by this club…especially after last years finals.

 

[earlsta]

I'd bring Jaensch back

I'd bring in a 40yo McLeod before DMac, I'd say he'd still perform better barely trained due to his knees anyway, still keeps fit regardless.

 

[Sanders]

Don't focus on the voting. Focus on why he continues to get selected DESPITE this lack of voting

No. You should exactly focus on the voting!!

That is the exact measure of performance.

 

[Sanders]

You keep getting your tenses confused. This is 2016. You need to move on from 2015.

You were wrong in 2015 though, you thought he was doing well then too

 

[Elite Crow]

Don't focus on the voting. Focus on why he continues to get selected DESPITE this lack of voting

Dropped 2 years in a row, 3 out of 4. To be dropped those 3 times he just didn't just play 3 bad games. It was a build up of poor form. Actually it's worse than that, his occasional on games have saved his bacon on more than one occasion.

Is it any wonder he cops as much as he does. Nice guy but as a footballer is a waste of space.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

All we hope for is the Bradbury of outside mids is gone before finals.