Preview R7: Changes v North Melbourne

[marty36]

Well seeing as you can't spell brownlow, don't know what strawman means, and simple maths is confusing to you, I don't think you did understand perfectly or even at all.

I'll try and make it easy for you

Let's start with rating. Rating means someone's opinion.

Some opinions are worth more

The match committees opinion is worth a lot.

The match committee expresses their opinion on performance with something called votes

Each game they give votes

The more votes in a game the more they 'rated' the players game

Sometimes players get injured so they can't play in a "game".

Now it gets really tricky, some maths are involved.

Rory Sloane played 23 games and got 268 votes which was more than anyone else. Yay! Go him. He was awarded 11.65 votes per game. This was also no.1 at the club. So this was good.

Now Josh Jenkins, who you think is underrated, played 24 games and got 167 votes. The coaches liked his actual performance to 6.96 votes per game. I assume you are ok with decimals?

Now for a guy who kicked 62 goals this wasn't very much. The coaches did not rate his performance that highly

Jarryd Lyons who we did not like very much and gave away at the bottom of the cereal packet, played 20 games, for 145 votes.

145 is less than 167 wow! Argument over. Or is it?

Should we consider those 4 games he didn't play? Well those people understand maths would say yes! Yes we should

Jarryd Lyons was awarded 7.25 votes by the coaches, per game, each time he played

But they didn't think 7.25 was very good, or that poor Jarryd was needed. They didn't rate him very highly

7.25 is however more than 6.96, so perhaps they didn't think Josh Jenkins was particularly good either? But 62 goals and still rated less than discarded Jarryd Lyons!

Maybe that's too mathematical, too abstract. Try this:

Rory Laird got 165 votes. Woot woot Jenkins got 167!! Laird is a gun! JJ must be a gun too, right? He was better than Laird. 167 is more than 165

Only problem is Laird played 5 LESS games.

Laird got 8.68 votes of approval on a per game basis, which was 4th highest at the club

You could argue that 167 votes was more than 165 and therefore JJ was better than Laird, but that would be too stupid for words. Literally.

Charlie Cameron had 168 votes, virtually the same as 167 for Jenkins, so he was better because of that 1 vote?

No. He was better because he did it in only 20 games at an average of 8.40.

A child can understand this, and so can you.

Apology accepted, now don't be such a dick next time

That's s very logical call

Going by that logic we see the following rankings for the year so far by afl.com.au granted it's not the match committee but if they agree with the following

http://www.afl.com.au/stats/player-ratings/overall-standings#club/CD_T10

It will show who is rated higher and who will retain their spot and if Knight will even get a gig

 

[marty36]

I'm preying that this is the moment, the stars seemed to have aligned.

Out: DMac
In: Knights

Its time.

Good point, can you get Elite Crow to see your logic so I can grab this bet of him before Thursday team selection. Put a bit more effort into your logic and he might think it's a certainty

 

[Elite Crow]

Good point, can you get Elite Crow to see your logic so I can grab this bet of him before Thursday team selection. Put a bit more effort into your logic and he might think it's a certainty

So going by that you must be ready to bet Knight won't be an in if fit.

 

[Thetrader15]

Well seeing as you can't spell brownlow, don't know what strawman means, and simple maths is confusing to you, I don't think you did understand perfectly or even at all.

I'll try and make it easy for you

Let's start with rating. Rating means someone's opinion.

Some opinions are worth more

The match committees opinion is worth a lot.

The match committee expresses their opinion on performance with something called votes

Each game they give votes

The more votes in a game the more they 'rated' the players game

Sometimes players get injured so they can't play in a "game".

Now it gets really tricky, some maths are involved.

Rory Sloane played 23 games and got 268 votes which was more than anyone else. Yay! Go him. He was awarded 11.65 votes per game. This was also no.1 at the club. So this was good.

Now Josh Jenkins, who you think is underrated, played 24 games and got 167 votes. The coaches liked his actual performance to 6.96 votes per game. I assume you are ok with decimals?

Now for a guy who kicked 62 goals this wasn't very much. The coaches did not rate his performance that highly

Jarryd Lyons who we did not like very much and gave away at the bottom of the cereal packet, played 20 games, for 145 votes.

145 is less than 167 wow! Argument over. Or is it?

Should we consider those 4 games he didn't play? Well those people understand maths would say yes! Yes we should

Jarryd Lyons was awarded 7.25 votes by the coaches, per game, each time he played

But they didn't think 7.25 was very good, or that poor Jarryd was needed. They didn't rate him very highly

7.25 is however more than 6.96, so perhaps they didn't think Josh Jenkins was particularly good either? But 62 goals and still rated less than discarded Jarryd Lyons!

Maybe that's too mathematical, too abstract. Try this:

Rory Laird got 165 votes. Woot woot Jenkins got 167!! Laird is a gun! JJ must be a gun too, right? He was better than Laird. 167 is more than 165

Only problem is Laird played 5 LESS games.

Laird got 8.68 votes of approval on a per game basis, which was 4th highest at the club

You could argue that 167 votes was more than 165 and therefore JJ was better than Laird, but that would be too stupid for words. Literally.

Charlie Cameron had 168 votes, virtually the same as 167 for Jenkins, so he was better because of that 1 vote?

No. He was better because he did it in only 20 games at an average of 8.40.

A child can understand this, and so can you.

Apology accepted

Can you repeat that please

 

[marty36]

So going by that you must be ready to bet Knight won't be an in if fit.

Have discussed this on many occasions I dont bet if I dont feel confident, they could be resting a senior player, they could drop Hampton or Milera, JJ could go back and find form, Knight might not even come in, there are too many variances but going on what Mackay has done this year I am confident he wont be dropped and I am prepared to bet on it are you, do you agree he has done enough this year to retain his spot?

 

[OzSparrow]

What defensive role did Mackay play on Sunday?

Stopping pitch invaders?

 

[marty36]

Stopping pitch invaders?

Come on Elite Crow everyone thinks he is a hack take the bet its an easy one for you, even you think he is useless surely you should back your judgement?

 

[Elite Crow]

Have discussed this on many occasions I dont bet if I dont feel confident, they could be resting a senior player, they could drop Hampton or Milera, JJ could go back and find form, Knight might not even come in, there are too many variances but going on what Mackay has done this year I am confident he wont be dropped and I am prepared to bet on it are you, do you agree he has done enough this year to retain his spot?

So let's assume none of the above happens are you confident they won't bring in Knight and are willing to bet?

 

[GreyCrow]

Come on Elite Crow everyone thinks he is a hack take the bet its an easy one for you, even you think he is useless surely you should back your judgement?

Yeah just on that

 

[Jars458]

Have discussed this on many occasions I dont bet if I dont feel confident, they could be resting a senior player, they could drop Hampton or Milera, JJ could go back and find form, Knight might not even come in, there are too many variances but going on what Mackay has done this year I am confident he wont be dropped and I am prepared to bet on it are you, do you agree he has done enough this year to retain his spot?

Mackay has been serviceable but he is the player I am most worried about not being able to cope with finals because we have seen it before. Knight for Mackay is for mine a big improvement, but I agree that it is unlikely to happen. He is rated for more highly internally than he is by this board, that is for sure.

 

[Elite Crow]

Stopping pitch invaders?

I must have missed that one, when did that happen?

 

[SydCrow]

I'd like Milera to play Mackay's link up role. DMac for all his faults knows where to be.

 

[marty36]

So let's assume none of the above happens are you confident they won't bring in Knight and are willing to bet?

I think that is the most likely but not confident to bet on it, but I am very eager to bet on Mackay not being dropped and arent you confident he will be because you think he is pathetic

 

[Elite Crow]

I think that is the most likely but not confident to bet on it, but I am very eager to bet on Mackay not being dropped and arent you confident he will be because you think he is pathetic

I've called him pathetic? I've said he's had some decent games but he doesn't stand up in big games and is inconsistent.

Am I sure he will he dropped this week? No. Would I drop him for Knight? Yes.

Am I sure that at some stage during the year he will be dropped unless we have injuries? Yep, why am I confident of that? Because it's happened once a year for the last couple of years. And why is that? Because he is a borderline player who is inconsistent and goes missing in big games.

 

[marty36]

I've called him pathetic? I've said he's had some decent games but he doesn't stand up in big games and is inconsistent.

Am I sure he will he dropped this week? No. Would I drop him for Knight? Yes.

Am I sure that at some stage during the year he will be dropped unless we have injuries? Yep, why am I confident of that? Because it's happened once a year for the last couple of years. And why is that? Because he is a borderline player who is inconsistent and goes missing in big games.

Im trying to predict the most likely outcome aswell, but dont feel confident enough to bet on it.

So you have resrvations about mackay and the fact he is probably a greater than 50% chance he will play or the odds would be in your favor, that says a lot in itself as you would be close to the biggest bagger of Mackay. I have no feelings either way with him I see him as a 20 to 25 player.

But for you to feel he is more chance of playing than not, now that says a lot

 

[Elite Crow]

Im trying to predict the most likely outcome aswell, but dont feel confident enough to bet on it.

So you have resrvations about mackay and the fact he is probably a greater than 50% chance he will play or the odds would be in your favor, that says a lot in itself as you would be close to the biggest bagger of Mackay. I have no feelings either way with him I see him as a 20 to 25 player.

But for you to feel he is more chance of playing than not, now that says a lot

What I would do and what the selectors would do are two different things, sometimes they are slow to catch on.

 

[marty36]

What I would do and what the selectors would do are two different things, sometimes they are slow to catch on.

We all know who makes the final decission now dont we, stop pretending its the selectors and hear all the BS, Pyke will make the call on who he wants, he will get advise but he strikes me as the sort to make up his own mind and have the final call, the rest of the team pick themselves

 

[mick500]

Well seeing as you can't spell brownlow, don't know what strawman means, and simple maths is confusing to you, I don't think you did understand perfectly or even at all.

I'll try and make it easy for you

Let's start with rating. Rating means someone's opinion.

Some opinions are worth more

The match committees opinion is worth a lot.

The match committee expresses their opinion on performance with something called votes

Each game they give votes

The more votes in a game the more they 'rated' the players game

Sometimes players get injured so they can't play in a "game".

Now it gets really tricky, some maths are involved.

Rory Sloane played 23 games and got 268 votes which was more than anyone else. Yay! Go him. He was awarded 11.65 votes per game. This was also no.1 at the club. So this was good.

Now Josh Jenkins, who you think is underrated, played 24 games and got 167 votes. The coaches liked his actual performance to 6.96 votes per game. I assume you are ok with decimals?

Now for a guy who kicked 62 goals this wasn't very much. The coaches did not rate his performance that highly

Jarryd Lyons who we did not like very much and gave away at the bottom of the cereal packet, played 20 games, for 145 votes.

145 is less than 167 wow! Argument over. Or is it?

Should we consider those 4 games he didn't play? Well those people understand maths would say yes! Yes we should

Jarryd Lyons was awarded 7.25 votes by the coaches, per game, each time he played

But they didn't think 7.25 was very good, or that poor Jarryd was needed. They didn't rate him very highly

7.25 is however more than 6.96, so perhaps they didn't think Josh Jenkins was particularly good either? But 62 goals and still rated less than discarded Jarryd Lyons!

Maybe that's too mathematical, too abstract. Try this:

Rory Laird got 165 votes. Woot woot Jenkins got 167!! Laird is a gun! JJ must be a gun too, right? He was better than Laird. 167 is more than 165

Only problem is Laird played 5 LESS games.

Laird got 8.68 votes of approval on a per game basis, which was 4th highest at the club

You could argue that 167 votes was more than 165 and therefore JJ was better than Laird, but that would be too stupid for words. Literally.

Charlie Cameron had 168 votes, virtually the same as 167 for Jenkins, so he was better because of that 1 vote?

No. He was better because he did it in only 20 games at an average of 8.40.

A child can understand this, and so can you.

Apology accepted, now don't be such a dick next time

Wow.

What a long boring post for something I said I already understood perfectly fine, thanks lol.

Pro tip: Just cos some one disagrees with you doesn't mean that they don't understand. Try not being so condescending if you want a conversation next time.

Ftr you are the one who brought Jarryd Lyons in to the discussion to form your own argument and it's been you talking to yourself ever since. My comment was simply that josh Jenkins is underrated.

If you had a discussion like a normal person you could of asked "what do you mean by underrated" and I would have said by the Victorians bagging him for the over the back goals and claiming he doesn't work very hard. Nothing to do with what you are going on about.

I wouldn't have mentioned the match committee under rating him because I don't know that they do. I wouldn't have mentioned Jarryd Lyons because it's irrelevant to the point I was making about Jenkins being underrated in the wider afl community.

But that wouldn't have allowed you to go on your little tirade would it?

Try having a conversation like a normal human being.

 

[Jack is Back]

My preference for this weekend would be;

Out - Mackay (bruised nostril)
In - THE MIGHTY THOR

Bran Nue Mackae has played mostly on the wing this year but with some stints in defence. It has been his most consistent year for as far as the eye can see but with the exception of the second half of the Hawthorn game (against a one legged Isaac Smith) he has not been influential. We have been rotating Atkins, Milera and Mackay through the wings for most matches this year and The RAT has been clearly our best outside mid. Whilst Mackay has been marginally better than Milera, Wayne has played 14 games of AFL and BNM has played 169 games of AFL and collected ONE BLOODY BROWNLOW VOTE. I am very confident that Wayne will score more than ONE BLOODY BROWNLOW VOTE in his next 155 games.

I am a big fan of Riley Knight but he will be crucial when the whips are cracking in September so I would prefer not to risk him in the arctic conditions in Tassie.

Why should we bring in THE MIGHTY THOR? Because he is AWESOME!!!!

Since we will be coming off a 6 day break we should take absolutely no risks with players that are a little thor. I would give Eddie a week off if he is not 100%.

We have played 25 players so far this season and we need to test our depth. Of the remaining 19 players on our list CEY is gone for the season and Thommo will need a miracle to be AFL Worthy. Our only other AFL experienced players are Seedsman and Cheney (both injured). From our group of 25 there are 7 players with less than 50 games and Charlie and Matty have just passed the 50 game mark. We need to find out whether Greenwood, Beech, Poholke, Wigg, Gallucci and ROB are capable of playing a role in September if needed.

 

[Elite Crow]

We all know who makes the final decission now dont we, stop pretending its the selectors and hear all the BS, Pyke will make the call on who he wants, he will get advise but he strikes me as the sort to make up his own mind and have the final call, the rest of the team pick themselves

I'm assuming Don is a selector right? So when I say selectors I'm pretty sure that covers Don.

 

[baldandbroke]

Great opportunity for Greenwood to play his debut in his home state. Would be promoted down here for sure, hell he got the back page when he played a JLT game !!

I like the idea of us testing out our list now, of seeing if we have improvement waiting in the wings. The guys that get pushed out become excellent back-up.

Fingers crossed.

 

[marty36]

I'm assuming Don is a selector right? So when I say selectors I'm pretty sure that covers Don.

And the overriding decision


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[earlsta]

Yep I'm really hoping Greenwood gets a chance.
His mum that has terminal cancer, does anyone know if they still reside in Tassie? Or how she's doing currently? Hope he plays this week.

 

[Heafy83]

Not sure why people are calling for Milera to be dropped. Collecting 17d @ 83% efficiency and 1 clanger. He isn't even 20 yet. His skills are elite. He is doing his job and developing fantastically.

 

[FatAlbert36]

Good point, can you get Elite Crow to see your logic so I can grab this bet of him before Thursday team selection. Put a bit more effort into your logic and he might think it's a certainty

If that happens I will officially have no-one to hate on! Oh wait forgot about the umpires, phew. Speaking of, those grey outfits made them almost invisible on Sunday. I didn't know where to look to complain.