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[gringo2011]

One wonders which card Israel would play if they were lesser power in the middle east conflict.

I'm no expert on Middle East politics but their government is very hard not to consider a vicious aggressor with no interest in a shared state. Both sides are crazy but the Palestinians look like a rabbit fighting a pit bull. It makes it hard to understand that a people who suffered persecution can't see similarities in the situation. I have Israeli friends who are not fans of the Government and their pro expansion agenda but I also know it's never as black and white as it looks form outside. The public never quite know the reality of the local situation. I remember seeing the news in England discussing how cruel we were for our off shore detention. Back home you didn't even hear about it.

 

[pebblesofsand]

I'm no expert on Middle East politics but their government is very hard not to consider a viscous aggressor with no interest in a shared state. Both sides are crazy but the Palestinians look like a rabbit fighting a pit bull. It makes it hard to understand that a people who suffered persecution can't see similarities in the situation. I have Israeli friends who are not fans of the Government and their pro expansion agenda but I also know it's never as black and white as it looks form outside. The public never quite know the reality of the local situation. I remember seeing the news in England discussing how cruel we were for our off shore detention. Back home you didn't even hear about it.

The whole thing is f***ed and has been since the end of the 1st world war when the British colonials took control Palestine and enabled the wholesale resettlement of European Jews looking to establish a religious based "homeland" inside what was then Palestine.

Now who couldn't see "disaster" written all over that idea.

Anyway back to the central point - in an asymmetrical power struggle, apparently might is always right.

 

[jwikked]

One wonders which card Israel would play if they were lesser power in the middle east conflict.

If Hamas stops firing rockets, the fighting ends. If Israel stop firing rockets, the fighting continues.
The Palestinians need to do something about the Hamas terrorists launching missiles from amongst civilians, they do it deliberately because they know Israel will fire a warning shot first and will know when to leave.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The whole thing is f***ed and has been since the end of the 1st world war when the British colonials took control Palestine and enabled the wholesale resettlement of European Jews looking to establish a religious based "homeland" inside what was then Palestine.

Now who couldn't see "disaster" written all over that idea.

Anyway back to the central point - in an asymmetrical power struggle, apparently might is always right.

Pretty sure it was a shithole way before then.

 

[flyingmagic]

If Hamas stops firing rockets, the fighting ends. If Israel stop firing rockets, the fighting continues.
The Palestinians need to do something about the Hamas terrorists launching missiles from amongst civilians, they do it deliberately because they know Israel will fire a warning shot first and will know when to leave.

If Hamas stops firing rockets, maybe the fighting ends, but it's not like the settlements will stop being built or they will suddenly be free of military occupation or have freedom of movement.

I can understand the hopelessness of the situation enough to understand why they resort to violence, even though I don't support it.

This was a guy on an israel show 4 years ago:

 

[StCicatriz]

If Hamas stops firing rockets, the fighting ends. If Israel stop firing rockets, the fighting continues.
The Palestinians need to do something about the Hamas terrorists launching missiles from amongst civilians, they do it deliberately because they know Israel will fire a warning shot first and will know when to leave.

i can see this view point to a certain extent. but the thing that's sticking in my mind. how many Israelis were killed from that rocket launch? how many Palestinians were killed in counter attacks?

 

[StCicatriz]

The whole thing is f***ed and has been since the end of the 1st world war when the British colonials took control Palestine and enabled the wholesale resettlement of European Jews looking to establish a religious based "homeland" inside what was then Palestine.

Now who couldn't see "disaster" written all over that idea.

Anyway back to the central point - in an asymmetrical power struggle, apparently might is always right.

the brits creating another cluster *... nah that cant be right

 

[SaintsSeptember]

i can see this view point to a certain extent. but the thing that's sticking in my mind. how many Israelis were killed from that rocket launch? how many Palestinians were killed in counter attacks?

If you had a small pistol would it make sense for you to walk up to a platoon of armed soldiers and start shooting?
Hence the discrepancy in death.

If your dog is off its leash and trying to bight a cop, it probably won't make it either.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

the brits creating another cluster fu**... nah that cant be right

Pretty sure it wasn't sunshine and lollipops living there under the Ottomans.

 

[StCicatriz]

If you had a small pistol would it make sense for you to walk up to a platoon of armed soldiers and start shooting?
Hence the discrepancy in death.

If your dog is off its leash and trying to bight a cop, it probably won't make it either.

wrong analogy.

a pistol could hurt armed soldiers. a dog can hurt a cop.

in this instance, no one was hurt because of the technology gap. these missiles were never going to penetrate the iron dome. no one was harmed.

it's just an excuse to continue the war.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

wrong analogy.

a pistol could hurt armed soldiers. a dog can hurt a cop.

in this instance, no one was hurt because of the technology gap. these missiles were never going to penetrate the iron dome. no one was harmed.

it's just an excuse to continue the war.

7 people were killed in Israel. I think the cop who got bitten by the dog ( if the dog got through the defences ) scored better.

 

[jwikked]

wrong analogy.

a pistol could hurt armed soldiers. a dog can hurt a cop.

in this instance, no one was hurt because of the technology gap. these missiles were never going to penetrate the iron dome. no one was harmed.

it's just an excuse to continue the war.

They say the iron dome is only 80% effective, it seems to be much more effective than that, but still they manage to get through it.

 

[bergholt]

Has anyone done cryptocurrency stuff? More and more people telling me I should get into it, I don't get it though. Help?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Has anyone done cryptocurrency stuff? More and more people telling me I should get into it, I don't get it though. Help?

'St Kilda schoolgirl' behind AFL player nude scandal has A NEW tumour found during cervical surgery | Express Digest

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Ms Ametoglou has also claimed she works 80-hour weeks as a ‘full-time crypto trader, full-time mother, full-time university student and full-time wife,’ as well as dabbling in accountancy and marketing.

Mega Thread - The Latest Kim Duthie Episode

Made 33k in 4 hours she said, timed the crypto drop perfectly, she is a financial genius it seems..

www.bigfooty.com

 

[StCicatriz]

'St Kilda schoolgirl' behind AFL player nude scandal has A NEW tumour found during cervical surgery | Express Digest

expressdigest.com

Ms Ametoglou has also claimed she works 80-hour weeks as a ‘full-time crypto trader, full-time mother, full-time university student and full-time wife,’ as well as dabbling in accountancy and marketing.

Mega Thread - The Latest Kim Duthie Episode

Made 33k in 4 hours she said, timed the crypto drop perfectly, she is a financial genius it seems..

www.bigfooty.com

that thread is a car crash. super disappointing the media or authorities are not more involved given the obvious bullshit going on

 

[bergholt]

'St Kilda schoolgirl' behind AFL player nude scandal has A NEW tumour found during cervical surgery | Express Digest

expressdigest.com

Ms Ametoglou has also claimed she works 80-hour weeks as a ‘full-time crypto trader, full-time mother, full-time university student and full-time wife,’ as well as dabbling in accountancy and marketing.

Mega Thread - The Latest Kim Duthie Episode

Made 33k in 4 hours she said, timed the crypto drop perfectly, she is a financial genius it seems..

www.bigfooty.com

She sounds like the lady to ask!

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Has anyone done cryptocurrency stuff? More and more people telling me I should get into it, I don't get it though. Help?

Bitcoin as i understand it.
Mining for Bitcoin is a bit like you are doing work for them ( verifying bitcoin transactions ) , and if you do enough work you get a ticket in the lottery and may get some crypto currency.
So many people churning their specialised computers away, to the extent that Elon declared it bad for the environment.
There is a finite amount of it and diminishing future returns.

As far as trading it goes you could say its not unlike investing and trading in gold. ( or shares , its probably less substantial than gold ).
If you buy at the right time and sell at the right time you make money. If you don't you won't.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

She sounds like the lady to ask!

She's the only one who understands Weevil Logistics.

 

[StFly]

If Hamas stops firing rockets, the fighting ends. If Israel stop firing rockets, the fighting continues.
The Palestinians need to do something about the Hamas terrorists launching missiles from amongst civilians, they do it deliberately because they know Israel will fire a warning shot first and will know when to leave.

Using team America;

Israel are dicks.
Palenstine are arseholes.
The rest of us are wondering when the two decide not to screw it or get screwed.

But in my view, if they point their rockets at Jerusalem and fire it into rubble, the arabs and jews might actually get along and not want to kill each other over it.

But then, we have what we have, and hey, more occupation I say, let's bring Russia in as well, they like occupying places over there, maybe they can occupy Israel and Palenstine and we can be all "bad communists" instead of what we have at present and new cold war! only this one can be hot, since global warming, and China will do a sneaky and settle that disputed island, we'll have a great setting for everything to go to s**t because organised religion couldn't keep it in its pants and had to splooge everywhere.

 

[pebblesofsand]

If Hamas stops firing rockets, the fighting ends. If Israel stop firing rockets, the fighting continues.
The Palestinians need to do something about the Hamas terrorists launching missiles from amongst civilians, they do it deliberately because they know Israel will fire a warning shot first and will know when to leave.

Yep and the Israeli's need to do something as well.

Israel has invaded and occupied large areas of the Palestinian lands and essentially turned Gaza into an open air prison by its ongoing illegal naval blockade.

Arab Israeli's are currently classified as 2nd class citizens hence the current fighting brought about by the Israeli govt seeking to evict Palestinians from houses their families have occupied for generations.

So under UN conventions, the Palestinians are actually legally entitled to resist (not that anyone would mention it) simply because they are subject to repression by the illegal occupation of their lands by a foreign force.

 

[gringo2011]

Has anyone done cryptocurrency stuff? More and more people telling me I should get into it, I don't get it though. Help?

I have a mate and a guy who I've met through another mate who are 100% into it. From everything I have read and learned about it it seems like a Ponzi scheme. The idea of them doesn't make any real sense as the governments aren't going to make them the legitimate currency if the money can't be traced and taxed. It looks like the idea of encrypted currency suits drug dealers and dodgy types. It's very clunky to use in that you have these crazy wallet systems that if you lose your numbers which are ridiculously complex you lose access to your money. I met a guy through work who had been given some Bitcoin as a payment years ago and didn't take it seriously and couldn't get at it even though it was now worth a fortune. They say the benefit is that it's instant money transfer anywhere in the world....banks could do that now if they didn't hold our money up to gamble with it themselves.

The volatile nature of it makes it like high stakes gambling. The mate that's into reckon's he's cashed all his investments in and turned about $100,000 into over a million but he's got lots of diverse coins and he only ever posts about his wins. He bought Bitcoin early though and that's still the one that seems to be the one that holds up compared to some of the lesser ones. The other guy sold everything including a cafe and put everything into it and reckons he'll be a billionaire, he's either a mad genius or a reckless idiot. I prefer property, it's slow and steady and you can always move in when the s**t hits the fan. Get rich quick s**t has never been my friend.

 

[Yawkey way]

Yep and the Israeli's need to do something as well.

Israel has invaded and occupied large areas of the Palestinian lands and essentially turned Gaza into an open air prison by its ongoing illegal naval blockade.

Arab Israeli's are currently classified as 2nd class citizens hence the current fighting brought about by the Israeli govt seeking to evict Palestinians from houses their families have occupied for generations.

So under UN conventions, the Palestinians are actually legally entitled to resist (not that anyone would mention it) simply because they are subject to repression by the illegal occupation of their lands by a foreign force.

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjwr62smNTwAhUYwjgGHUBuAGoQFjAMegQIAxAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FTimeline_of_the_history_of_the_region_of_Palestine&usg=AOvVaw1Y5uHAo_pxTXoCfGc8eRU5

Looking at history a solution to the current problems would appear difficult in the extreme.

Personally I think people are asking the wrong questions. I’d like to know what concessions the state of Israel could possibly make that would guarantee its future.

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwis4dr-n9TwAhV1yDgGHYEFDl8QFjAAegQIBRAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FHistory_of_Jordan&usg=AOvVaw1TXBu9G4mM77Jff5l0DO14

Anyway I’ve met several people who’ve fled conflicts in the area mainly from the Lebanon and I feel very sorry for the many innocent victims of war.

 

[gringo2011]

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjwr62smNTwAhUYwjgGHUBuAGoQFjAMegQIAxAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FTimeline_of_the_history_of_the_region_of_Palestine&usg=AOvVaw1Y5uHAo_pxTXoCfGc8eRU5

Looking at history a solution to the current problems would appear difficult in the extreme.

Personally I think people are asking the wrong questions. I’d like to know what concessions the state of Israel could possibly make that would guarantee its future.

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwis4dr-n9TwAhV1yDgGHYEFDl8QFjAAegQIBRAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FHistory_of_Jordan&usg=AOvVaw1TXBu9G4mM77Jff5l0DO14

Anyway I’ve met several people who’ve fled conflicts in the area mainly from the Lebanon and I feel very sorry for the many innocent victims of war.

I think agreeing on set borders, freeing the Palestinian zones so that they have control over their own land and free transit through borders for citizens and goods would be a good start. The problem for Israel is that war these days doesn't win you anything other than making weapons contractors rich. They might beat the Palestinians but lose the propaganda battle. No-one likes to side with the bully and if public sentiment in the US swings against them they are ****ed and isolated. The Arab states are only held at bay by the US, you want to behave yourself and not act as a bad neighbour, starting with some basics would help massively.

Ban the expansionist stuff, it's mostly fringe religious nutters wanting to fulfil some ancient prophecy stuff. Religion shouldn't have any place in politics, it's never been a good combination and the hard zionists are more likely to ruin it for the reasonable citizens. Running a Jewish state for a country with a Jewish minority is problematic for so many reasons and brings up the Apartheid comparisons. That said I'm not really an expert and don't pretend to understand the complexities.

 

[Yawkey way]

I think agreeing on set borders, freeing the Palestinian zones so that they have control over their own land and free transit through borders for citizens and goods would be a good start. The problem for Israel is that war these days doesn't win you anything other than making weapons contractors rich. They might beat the Palestinians but lose the propaganda battle. No-one likes to side with the bully and if public sentiment in the US swings against them they are f’ed and isolated. The Arab states are only held at bay by the US, you want to behave yourself and not act as a bad neighbour, starting with some basics would help massively.

Ban the expansionist stuff, it's mostly fringe religious nutters wanting to fulfil some ancient prophecy stuff. Religion shouldn't have any place in politics, it's never been a good combination and the hard zionists are more likely to ruin it for the reasonable citizens. Running a Jewish state for a country with a Jewish minority is problematic for so many reasons and brings up the Apartheid comparisons. That said I'm not really an expert and don't pretend to understand the complexities.

I have quite a lot of Jewish friends but you would know that most of the hard right and ultra religious sects are super clannish and in some cases have little to do with the outside world.

I think you’ve hit on my point gringo they’re isolated and outnumbered with no friends in the region.

You can‘t have a minority Jewish state for a variety of reasons and clearly the two state solution was never anything but an idea on paper with no real commitment from the Jewish side imo. Let’s also not forget how Israel came to be in possession of some of the lands that the hard right and ultra religious are turning into settlements.

Valley of tears streaming on one of the networks at present, the neighbours have form and they would be fools to forget it. It’s considered a massive effort on the part of many to simply say Israel has a right to exist and for many saying it and believing it are two different things.

The whole world seems to be heating up again and with so many trigger points unfortunately the outlook doesn’t look great.

 

[StFly]

So I'm currently questioning, do I get food at location tomorrow or bring food, as I get to drive through Melbourne again and waste a half day in meetings about why drugs are bad, why alcohol is bad as if people need to refresh why these things are bad and why adults need to adult.

I was kinda thinking to mark the occasion with faerie bread for lunch, but then, sugar acts like a drug and that might be frownd upon... actually, not even sure we can have caffiene, how the s**t am I meant to handle power tools competently or act smart in the morning!

Sabotage I say! Viva la right to consume s**t as an adult! Just for this, I'm bringing my RA drugs like a true rebel and poppin those pills...