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Random Things on Your Mind (Part 5)
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Hank93
Brownlow Medallist
Brighton High School is getting good coverage from the Gillard visit.
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I share similar views to u Vader.
I usually vote labor but im sick of all their crap.
Im frightened to think of Abbott being the PM to so not sure who to vote next time around.
If Turnb was leader of either party id vote for him, but the conservative Libs wont give him a chance again i feel.
Turnb is more labor than lib in my opinion anyway he should cross over.
BTW i would never vote for Rudd - just dont trust him at all, Julia is ok but prefer turnball.
Though Shorten would be an interesting option.
Turnball>>>>>Shorten>Gillard>>>>>>>>>Rudd>>>>>>>>>>Abbott
Southerntakeover
Too Sweet
This seems to be a case of you setting the bar so high as to make discussion meaningless. 'Radically alter'? Of course he wont overthrow the Parliamentary system and have himself installed as supreme leader.
However, if he got the keys to the kingdom (and this means a friendly senate as well), ive got no doubt that wed see attacks on the unfair dismissal rights of workers etc. Thats something I see as extreme.
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The original bar I responded to was "I'm leaving the country if he gets elected". To that I think mine was a perfectly proportional response.
And then it comes to each of our subjective judgments of what's extreme. I personally can tolerate most variants of liberal democracy no matter what shape they come in (although as you will no doubt point out my life position has left me relatively insulated to the harsher parts of life).
Yes my lack of empathy disgusts even me.
Southerntakeover
Too Sweet
Only if you insist on taking figures of speech as literal.
We should focus on real issues though, like the pandemic of people dying of embarassment.
Stop preemting my responses. It leaves me with little to post.
Smoooothy
May have been wrong about em!
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telstra are having one hell of an outage at the moment, no telstra internet services are currently working (cable, 3g, 4g, adsl, wholesale, corporate etc)
i'm calling this early, this is the biggest internet outage in australian history
i'm calling this early, this is the biggest internet outage in australian history
Is that why the AFL website is offline at the moment?
Guess it'll be quiet around here then!
Smoooothy
May have been wrong about em!
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back up now, apparently Dodo internet sent out a route to Telstra that knocked off much of it's internet
FR0GGY
Busy
I don't think my cable died nor my phone. Dads adsl did
I think their explanation was that there was a massive issue internationally, which meant many more people were sticking to Australian websites, overloading the server. Sounded a bit strange to me though.
Now I'm not exactly an expert when it comes to politics, so somebody explain this to me. Gillard might not be particularly popular, but she's blessed to be running against Abbott who is similarly unpopular. Surely it's far more damaging that the Labor party is going through this ugly leadership challenge that it would be to simply keep Gillard there? Voters were already annoyed enough that the PM is not the one they elected (I know you vote for a party, not a person, but that's not how the general public perceives it), now Rudd and co want to do it again? I can't see even the slightest possibility of ALP winning the next election if Rudd comes back in - not because Rudd is a terrible PM, but because the Labor party will have been reduced to a complete joke. People will have no confidence that Rudd, if elected, will still be PM within a year. Abbott would at least present a "better the devil you know than the devil you don't" option.
I can't fathom why any labor backbenchers would be backing Rudd in here. It seems like political suicide. Clearly I'm wrong though since these people know their job a hell of a lot better than me.
Is Gillard really that bad, or am I just missing something?
Now I'm not exactly an expert when it comes to politics, so somebody explain this to me. Gillard might not be particularly popular, but she's blessed to be running against Abbott who is similarly unpopular. Surely it's far more damaging that the Labor party is going through this ugly leadership challenge that it would be to simply keep Gillard there? Voters were already annoyed enough that the PM is not the one they elected (I know you vote for a party, not a person, but that's not how the general public perceives it), now Rudd and co want to do it again? I can't see even the slightest possibility of ALP winning the next election if Rudd comes back in - not because Rudd is a terrible PM, but because the Labor party will have been reduced to a complete joke. People will have no confidence that Rudd, if elected, will still be PM within a year. Abbott would at least present a "better the devil you know than the devil you don't" option.
I can't fathom why any labor backbenchers would be backing Rudd in here. It seems like political suicide. Clearly I'm wrong though since these people know their job a hell of a lot better than me.
Is Gillard really that bad, or am I just missing something?
jenny61_99
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We have a Prime Minister that the Australian public don't want.
We have a Contender (Rudd) that the Labour Caucus don't want, but the Australian public apparently love.
Bottom line is (and always will be - rather than what's best for the Country) which one of them will/can lead the party to success at the next election?
I suspect that we will soon see a similar power struggle between Abbott and Turnbull, particularly if Rudd succeeds.
We have a Contender (Rudd) that the Labour Caucus don't want, but the Australian public apparently love.
Bottom line is (and always will be - rather than what's best for the Country) which one of them will/can lead the party to success at the next election?
I suspect that we will soon see a similar power struggle between Abbott and Turnbull, particularly if Rudd succeeds.
Yep, you've got the misplaced assumption that Kevin is about the ALP first. He's about Kevin Rudd first and it seems he's about wreaking revenge against all who wronged him in 2010.
Pretty much. But Many would argue that the situation was so terminal at the moment that the ALP would not win the next election with Julia Gillard as leader. Namely the electorate has just stopped listening and once the electorate stops listening that cycle doesn't tend to break. Rudd and the ALP's main argument here would be, to borrow the American vernacular, a "Hail Mary" attempt at the next election.
The conventional wisdom is that it takes two challenges to finish off a leader. Rudd does not likely anticipate winning on Monday, but as the polls will likely continue to be dire (especially given his activity) he may well be successful 6-12 months down the track.
Hence those ALP caucus members would consider that they're backing the right horse in the long rather than short term.
There's also a few who feel so scorned by Gillard that there's some revenge in play.
Rudd and Gillard should give Peter Costello a call and ask him to come back and challenge for Abbott's spot, it might give them half a chance of staying in power
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Footypie32
especias secreto
I would never have said this 12 months ago, but cant stand Gillard/Rudd/Abbott. Turnbull has a refreshing honesty even if he can be annoyingly smug.
Turnball can be annoyingly smug, but the same can be said for Gillard/Rudd/Abbott as well.
FR0GGY
Busy
Rudd said today if he looses he won't contest again, do we believe him?
Is he a politician? Were his lips moving? If you answered yes to both questions, then it's safe to assume that he's lying.
FR0GGY
Busy
Fair point
Doesn't stop him quitting the Labor party and going independant which would make him just as powerful nearly in the current domain.
