No Oppo Supporters Re-signing Tex, Danger and Sloane *** Crows Only ***

[GROTTO]

You would have to be a knob of the highest order to not think this is undesirable in the extreme.

+1

 

[baldandbroke]

When did I mention that he should sign to make it easier for me? YOU need to re-read the post again at no stage did I state that or imply that. Thats really weird for you to say. Ridiculous in my opinion.

In fact if I was Dangerfield and thinking selfishly I would wait till the last possible moment to extract every dollar from the next arguably biggest contract of his life.

From a Club perspective, we have seen in the past what this does to a Club and the impact that it has in delaying contract negotiations.

What is everyone drinking in this thread???

Grotto - you said:

Its going to be terrible period for us supporters to have opposition supporters (not to mention the self imploding) and the media bait us with troll comments about Danger not signing.

This is only just the beginning. We have not seen anything yet. Its going to get a lot worse.

So unless you don't consider yourself part of "us" and "we" - it exactly what you said!

Great post. You just owned him then.

I can only shake my head.

You would have to be a knob of the highest order to not think this is undesirable in the extreme.

I've already touched on this one, but if you are referring to a player not signing early = knob of the highest order, I reckon that is a fair bit of mayo. If you are referring to anyone who doesn't think like you do = knob of the highest order, that fits a few BF personas perfectly ... present company excluded of course

 

[footy4ever]

Sometimes I wonder if you are just joking around with some of your strange positions on things

You are now arguing an entirely different point.

Let's recap shall we?

I said:



You replied with some examples of players that had signed on early:



I said we shouldnt expect him to sign just because your examples did:



Then somehow you showing examples shows that we should expect it:



I said why not - and didn't miss Tex out on purpose, you can add him in if you like it doesn't change my point:



Now you are arguing that it is not unreasonable to expect Dangerfield to sign, because it's an entirely normal thing to do:



I think you may be just stirring? Or your logic would also be ok with Woody Allen's classic:

“All men are mortal. Socrates was mortal. Therefore, all men are Socrates.”

Boys! Boys! You'll have to be separated!



….oh , and Woody Allen doesn't make movies, he makes talkies. Great movies ….if you're blind.

 

[1970crow]

I just can't see how that will work though.

Again, using Geelong as an example, we match it and then try to trade Dangerfield. Dangerfield can just decline any other club we try and get a trade with and Geelong are hardly going to put up anything much more than we'd receive given the cost they'd be paying to get him as a 'free agent' and could again do so once he goes to draft assuming they have a pick before ours (the only thing that stops that from working for any club/player in that situation).

That's one way it could go, but I see it a bit differently. We match geelongs offer and tell patty we're desperate to keep him, he's highly valued, but if he's dead-set on going we will trade in good faith with them. We ask for 8 & 26 from Geelong, which is definitely unders. Geelong are telling Danger how much they want him and how valuable he is and then turn to us and say, "eff off, we won't forego those picks for Dangerfield". I just can't see how having courted him, pumped him up and appealed to his ego, they could turn around and tell him he's not worth a 1st and 2nd round pick and they HOPE to get him in the draft. If we match the offer, the other club will have to trade. We'll get unders no doubt, but I can't see him in either draft.

 

[dylan123]

At the same time, does Dangerfield really want to put the club he's going to further back?

The whole point of free agency is for Geelong to get someone for free, I doubt they want to be paying 1-1.5mill and then giving up strong draft picks to get him when they could just force him to the rookie draft and get him without giving up the picks. They'll be in his ear saying they could have taken the free agency compo but they didn't, that's their fault. Along with the "do you really want to weaken your new club just so you can feel like a good guy?". Think there's a big reason clubs haven't matched anyone yet and that's because they're rewarded with something when they don't, there really isn't much to gain by matching any deals as it just won't work out unless you finish lower on the ladder then the club chasing him and can match the deal.

 

[Tex200]

I think it's amusing that in this thread Danger not signing is no cause for alarm, and in another, Aish not signing is cause for considerable hope

 

[baldandbroke]

I think it's amusing that in this thread Danger not signing is no cause for alarm, and in another, Aish not signing is cause for considerable hope

And it goes the other way as well ...

Danger not signing is cause for alarm, and Aish not signing is no cause for hope.​

I'm amazed that people cannot see all of these things as mutually exclusive events. They have no influence on each other at all.

 

[Bailey01]

Hasn't Hawkins not signed a contract beyond next and he's a free agent? Then why is Danger getting pestered at every media opportunity? Oh so it's because he is born in Victoria and he's at a non vic side......

 

[Iron]

It isn't very hard to just accept that yes, Danger is considering his options right now. There will be, and for all we know already has been, an offer put on the table that could see him paid better by a club that happens to be based in his home town. Anyone who thinks Travis Boak was always going to sign with Port and never once considered Geelong's offer is also kidding themselves.

These are real people and money talks. We shouldn't demand Danger sign early just because Cotchin, Tex and Gray have all done so. Good for them. They've made their decision quicker.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

The difference with Dangerfield compared to Hawkins is that we're venturing into the unknown with a new coach whereas Hawkins knows exactly what Geelong have to offer.

My read on it is that Dangerfield would prefer to stay here but wants to make sure the previous level of incompetence has been eradicated.

 

[mattymac]

The difference with Dangerfield compared to Hawkins is that we're venturing into the unknown with a new coach whereas Hawkins knows exactly what Geelong have to offer.

My read on it is that Dangerfield would prefer to stay here but wants to make sure the previous level of incompetence has been eradicated.

Yeah this is precisely my view. I'll hold off on joining the skirt lifters until round 6 or so.

 

[Pugsley]

Yeah this is precisely my view. I'll hold off on joining the skirt lifters until round 6 or so.

Can you take my bagpipes ? They're weighing me down.

 

[Scrotes2000]

My read on it is that Dangerfield would prefer to stay here but wants to make sure the previous level of incompetence has been eradicated.

Have been wondering what it'd look like if he had already decided to leave. Withdrawal from media events? Or would he just keep it close to his chest and not indicate this to the club? If the club already knew he was likely leaving what would their response be?

Probably wouldn't look a whole lot different to what's happening now. Can't really get a read on things yet I don't think.

 

[Cleric]

Yeah this is precisely my view. I'll hold off on joining the skirt lifters until round 6 or so.

But thats when the skirt lifters say "I told you so"

 

[Mattrox]

But thats when the skirt lifters say "I told you so"

Alternatively it's then they say

..... "see, look at all the sand in my 'giney"

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Have been wondering what it'd look like if he had already decided to leave. Withdrawal from media events? Or would he just keep it close to his chest and not indicate this to the club? If the club already knew he was likely leaving what would their response be?

Even with media events, who'd initiate a scaling back? Danger because he knows he's leaving? The club because they know he's unsigned?

 

[crowsup]

The concern or doubts I have re Danger is the fact that he says 'I have not made my mind up yet".
So, in my view, he is making demands. Whether it is for more money or better team success, it does not matter. He wont stay because of loyalty. If he does stay it will be for money and or success.
Should we still try to keep him? F...ing oath we should. But I would offer him a minimum of 5 year deal at what ever money the club can be comfortable with.
The reason I say 5 years is because I would not want to go trough this bullshit again, in 2 years' time.
If he was the "loyal" kind of player, in my view, his statement for not signing a contract as yet would have been different to "I haven't made my mind up yet". He could have said a similar thing to Sloane. I.e. - Ï like to stay at the club and that negotiation are going on - .

 

[Elite Crow]

Heard from a mate today, he doesn't know Danger, knows no one who does and even he doesn't know what Dangers going to do.

 

[Golumless]

Heard from a mate today, he doesn't know Danger, knows no one who does and even he doesn't know what Dangers going to do.

Reading between the lines of this post, it seems that Danger is going to accept a massive 1.5 mil per year offer from GWS who he believes will win the next 5-6 premierships.

 

[spenze]

Heard from a mate today, he doesn't know Danger, knows no one who does and even he doesn't know what Dangers going to do.

Is he likely to know Danger in the future and if so, will he keep you updated?

 

[Elite Crow]

Is he likely to know Danger in the future and if so, will he keep you updated?

Now that he knows I've revealed all on a public forum I doubt he will be so open in the future

 

[Bay62]

Heard from a mate today, he doesn't know Danger, knows no one who does and even he doesn't know what Dangers going to do.

I'd heard that too, I reckon there must be something in it

 

[Macro]

Walsh has already said 'you don't win premierships paying one player $1.2m', I'm ok with us taking that position.

If someone offers him a massive contract and he leaves, so be it.

We'll offer him a fair contract, he can take it and shoot at a flag with his mates, or not.

I would offer $1.1m. As stiffy18 has said you accept what you think you are worth. PD may not quibble over $100,000 but he would , without knowing him, feel undervalued at $800,000 - $900,000.

 

[CIDA]

I heard that he or his management won't even be looking at a contract (from the crows) until August next year.

 

[Scrotes2000]

I heard that he or his management won't even be looking at a contract (from the crows) until August next year.

Yeah got a feeling we'll be waiting a while, although hopefully not that long and his management will be looking before that.

I'm hopeful he will stay, it's just important for people to keep their minds open to the possibly he may go. Want to try and avoid any Jane* incidents.

*Can't remember her real name - the lady who lost her shit on the radio over Sando. Sally?