Autopsy Roast & Toast v Hawthorn (Dusty's 300th) and Changes for Carlton

[banzai]

Hawks are a good side on the up. They are years ahead of us with the rebuild stage as they have served their time at the bottom. We unfortunately have some lean years ahead . Pick 2 coming our way is a good start. Some of our players don’t look to have much of a future .

They are 5 years ahead and should be as we won our last flag 5 years after they did. Id be hitting the draft very hard for 5 straight years, just keep taking best available and worry about what we need after that.

 

[beema limapep]

I thought Cumberland was our best player the way some bang on about him here

Aye he's not bad

 

[Gunit]

would like to see McAuliffe play more than 20 minutes of football after the bye. Yze loves an ultra late sub

Cumberland should have been subbed out 20 minutes in

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

I thought Cumberland was our best player the way some bang on about him here

Definitely the Hawks best.

 

[STRUGGLETOWN EST1885]

2nd bottom team pulls the 8th biggest H&A crowd in history. We have enormous pulling power even when we're shit.

 

[JackNah_8]

2nd bottom team pulls the 8th biggest H&A crowd in history. We have enormous pulling power even when we're shit.

Other teams must be envious

 

[GastevsBeard]

a concern under the Yze regime is effort seems conditional & yo-yo's week on week

effort & intensity were Dimma's one wood, even when the execution wasn't there in the early and latter stages of his tenure

 

[Lsta062]

Something that the club needs to address over the next couple of years is the rate at which our opposition mark the ball:

Round 0 vs Gold Coast: 72 - 118
Round 1 vs Carlton: 69 - 98
Round 2 vs Port Adelaide: 74 - 107
Round 3 vs Sydney: 110 - 99
Round 4 vs St Kilda: 80 - 119
Round 5 vs West Coast: 92- 76 (Contested marks were 9-17 West Coast's way)
Round 7 vs Melbourne: 108 - 129
Round 8 vs Fremantle: 97 - 130
Round 9 vs Western Bulldogs: 76 - 119
Round 10 vs Brisbane: 66 - 164 (!!)
Round 11 vs Essendon: 77 - 102
Round 12 vs Geelong: 70 - 92
Round 13 vs Adelaide: 94 - 113
Round 14 vs Hawthorn: 109 - 120

As above, this has been an issue all season (even before our injuries got bad). We're 18th in marks by far this season (we are -392, West Coast being the next worst is -154) and are 16th in contested marking differential. Our players are struggling to take away our opposition's control of the ball. We had issues with our opponent's marking in our Premiership years, but the stand rule's introduction took away our counter to this. Hence, we actually need to find a way to reduce our opposition's air control moving forward.

I think this happens for a few reasons:

• One is that we are positioned poorly off the ball. This gives our opposition the ability to hit targets by foot all day.
• A second reason is that we're obviously bad in marking contests. It's both marking skill and positioning in contests. Most of our players are trying to mark the ball from behind the opposition player, and I don't know who's telling them to do that.
• Another reason (and this is probably just by observation and not stats-based) is that we appear shorter than our opponents all over the ground. I don't know whether we are actually shorter than our opponents or just how we appear to play, but they seem too short to impact marking contests at times. Perhaps we need to bring in taller players all over the ground (not just taller KPFs, but maybe taller mids and wingmen too). Don't know if this is a genuine issue or just how it seems tbh.

Anyways, Yze and co have a lot to fix in the off-season, and this is one of them. This one's probably not going to be a quick fix, but we need to fix it before Tasmania compromise the draft.

 

[tigs2010]

thats the best ever home and away crowd of all time cos we were 17th and the dawks were 14th

Richmond is the big one baby !!!

1k less than Pendles and his was a QF

Ours was 2nd last place in the Saturday twilight graveyard

 

[Area51]

Unpopular opinion; Jack was shit, asked about 3 questions too many. Dusty didn't want it, we didn't need it. And to throw the family shit in their too, shit all round.

That bit Jack said about his Dad was cringe. Jack deserves a slap for that.

 

[johnno77]

Can't recall the last game I walked away feeling more disappointed than that. Probably the finals losses to North or Carlton. Felt like a 100 point loss.

And to make matters worse, the VFL team weren't much better earlier in the day with no one knocking the door down.

We'd been pretty good the last couple of weeks and that was close to our strongest line-up for the year but the Hawks made us look 2nd rate and I could probably name 15-16 players who had absolute stinkers.
Dusty deserved better.

 

[GoTigers2015]

 

[Tiges1229]

Legend Dusty was glad I was at the game seeing him kick that goal from 50 .
Hawks just to good , we were shite unfortunately, I have no clue what our game plan is .

 

[tigersnag]

a concern under the Yze regime is effort seems conditional & yo-yo's week on week

effort & intensity were Dimma's one wood, even when the execution wasn't there in the early and latter stages of his tenure

Yep spot on. Yze makes a lot of excuses for the players. What about excuses for his stupid decisions? I'm worried we have hired a twit. The club has fkd everything up the last 3 years... coach, list, assistants, fitness, everything.

 

[Groupie_]

1k less than Pendles and his was a QF

Ours was 2nd last place in the Saturday twilight graveyard

pendles would get 40k in the same situation 17th vs 14th in a h and away game

 

[cairo tiger]

it will take 2 or 3 years to overhaul this list. in the meantime let’s get serious about trading shai. the dead wood like cumbo sonsie mansell graham need to go. macca needs to go. macullfie needs to play every game. thank goodness for tarantula our next captain. baker was clueless today. we need an inside mid a ruck and a strong fwd.

 

[cairo tiger]

it will take 2 or 3 years to overhaul this list. in the meantime let’s get serious about trading shai. the dead wood like cumbo sonsie mansell graham need to go. macca needs to go. macullfie needs to play every game. thank goodness for tarantula our next captain. baker was clueless today. we need an inside mid a ruck and a strong fwd.

also need to question our coaching personnel. not up to it .

 

[OhhhhhCyril]

Regardless of the result, it was a privilege to be apart of the celebration of dusty 300th, I thought he spoke really well, and that sort of turn out for a home and away game is almost unheard of. Kudos to those who traveled far and wide. This in its whole is why we all love footy. A great day that should be celebrated by all. Chin up, you will bounce back sooner rather than later

 

[archibald]

Dow’s a butcher and Cumberland has football vertigo. Both need their papers stamped come end of year.

What a career from Martin. Others might be “greater” but very few have so drastically changed the fortunes of their club and handled the weight of historical failure better

 

[_RT_]

Well the bye has arrived and I hope that Yze and co have a good look at what we have to build a future around and start pumping games into them as well as putting into place the structure that he wants to see us play with come 2025.

First thing I'd be doing is sending Balta to the forward line. Sure he can intercept the ball coming in, but he is prone to brain fades that undoes the good. I'd like to see us trial Blight down back as he is more composed that Balta and just as good an intercept player. Give the kid a run of games to prove whether he deserves a contract for 2025. Let's have a look at a combination of Lynch Balta and Koschitzke up forward to see if we can counter the opposition racking up uncontested intercept marks. It's got to be worth a look.

Getting the midfield structure right is the next thing we need to sort out. Yze mentioned when appointed that he wanted us playing a strong contested brand and we just haven't been able to get to see it in effect due to the constant injuries. Taranto is back, Hopper should be back against Carlton, McAuliffe should be doing he apprenticeship alongside them with Dow. Those 4 will win their fair share of contested footy and get it going our way. One way or the other we will get answers about whether they're the group to take us forward. On the wings I'd be playing Hugo and Seth, both cover the ground well are accountable defensively and can use the ball well while adding pace to the outside.

As I mentioned above I'd like to see Blight come in to the back line to remove the brain fades that Balta does. Watched Blight 3 times now and his contested work is excellent, and his ball use is solid as he keeps things simple and plays within his limitations. Playing alongside Miller we'd have a more predictable set up, that wouldn't see us getting caught out of position because of poor turnovers.

So my line up heading into the Carlton game is:

Out: McIntosh Cumberland
In: Blight Hopper

B: Broad Miller Blight
HB: D.Rioli Vlastuin Brown
C: Campbell Taranto Ralphsmith
HF: Bolton Koschitzke Baker
F: Lynch Martin Balta
R: Nankervis Hopper Dow
INT: Mansell Short McAuliffe Graham Sonsie

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

+Campbell

A real find Campbell.
A balanced footballer which we lack across the board.

 

[Cam Payner]

Short has to go.

From the sidelines I watched the man be mercilessly mocked & dog piled as he fought a lone battle but richoatthedisco was always right....

 

[Lsta062]

Huge pressure on Collingwood fans for Pendlebury's 400th. Questions will be asked if they don't get more than 92K

 

[tigs2010]

pendles would get 40k in the same situation 17th vs 14th in a h and away game

Yeah if it was in primetime maybe

 

[shaky]

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