Autopsy Roast & Toast vs GWS and Changes for R3 vs St Kilda

[DontArgue4]

Parker was excellent, and i hated his selection. Really glad i have no say at all.....

His disposal is still very average but his chase and hustle is amazing, weve been missing that big time so he needs to stay in imo

Also thought dow was very good in patches, some of his work around stoppages is amazing to watch. Very quick feet and a nice side step. We should persist.

 

[Rayzorwire]

Played really well Parker , looked to me shows benefit of an afl pre season , has wheels does MP so important with the game we play. Will get great confidence from that game so play him again

Yep, and he's fully made the deprogramming transformation from an 'Aint to a Tiger.

Liked him playing high in that role much more than when he was used more as a goalsneak, he's no classy finisher, but he is a Pickett-style competitor that sneaks under the guard of oppositions.

Since people were asking for it

Looking at the footage, I'm in shock that the Nerd Virgin didn't take the mark off Gibcus, give the free and a 50m penalty to Himmelberg, then report Soldo for striking!

 

[Rayzorwire]

Yeh maybe but watching them kick goals and how they celebrate, for example, just showed me they didn't really care. They're running at about 75% passion I reckon, they probably think they're at 100%, but it's just not there.

Many are sick to death of playing for Cameron I'd reckon. I loved him as a Tiger, arguably the greatest kick in the game's history, but he's a very ordinary coach.

Maybe Hird can inject some genuine club spirit into them.

 

[Turka]

Since people were asking for it

JG hasn’t even scratched the surface…He’s learning the game plan and playing his role, with RT beautifully…It’s no coincidence that McKay, Curnow, Riccardi and Hogan have kicked only one goal between them…Extraordinary…

 

[Maurice Mitchell]

Many are sick to death of playing for Cameron I'd reckon. I loved him as a Tiger, arguably the greatest kick in the game's history, but he's a very ordinary coach.

Maybe Hird can inject some genuine club spirit into them.

Nasty, but funny

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

JG hasn’t even scratched the surface…He’s learning the game plan and playing his role, with RT beautifully…It’s no coincidence that McKay, Curnow, Riccardi and Hogan have kicked only one goal between them…Extraordinary…

I really hope they continue o play Gibcus in the seniors , Nothing like playing at the top level alongside Tarrant , Grimes , Broad and Vlastuin when he is back.

15 games experience this year will hold him in good place to build for next season

 

[RJK Tiger]

really nice win, especially with Dusty out. Its hard to gauge its value beyond just the 4 points though as GWS played like a bottom 6 team, not too sure how good our opponent was.

Balta did really well down forward, but it also underlined to me that a 3 tall forwards does not work. Lynch & Balta looked far more seamless & coherent together compared to when its all 3 of them (with Jack).- feel much better rolling with a Lynch/ Balta combination. Next week put MRJ ior Cumberland in over Aarts as the sub - we should be getting in that youthful enthusiasm around the club. In 2018 Higgins was an important little spark that settled & brought the team together, especially after the big party of 2017. 2019 Stack was that guy. Stage is set for Cumber or jnr to be that player this year. I want to see a few more weeks of just Lynch & Balta togehter. Not sure where Jack fits, maybe a high foward flank, almost at the wing? The right mix of blokes could be deadly around Balta & Lynch

Cotchin had his best game in a fair while, but the challenge will be if he can string them together again.


Backline looked far better, but felt GWS forwardline is operating at a fairly low level right now also. With Vloss & Grimes to come back in & Mansell knocking on the door pretty hard, the biggest challenge our backline has is working out the right 6-7 combination for this year. Feel like we have a lot of options down there & that is almost complicating things. The club needs to move pieces around back there & instead of playing the 6 most talented players back there, they need to find the right mix of 6 to get the best mix of chemistry and system.

Its probably worth them looking at all their backline options and figuring out which might have the skillset to switch positions. Grimes, Tarrant, Short, Vlaustin, Rioli, Broad, Miller, Gibcus, Mansell. Looking through the names i do wonder if Vlaustin is any sort of option for some inside mid bull minutes. Feel like his days of possibly being an option there are well and truly over. I look through that list and feel compelled to Grimes, Tarrant, Vlaustin, Broad, Short & Rioli as they are all names i trust. Not sure if Grimes, Tarrant, Vlaustin & Broad is one too many stoppers & that switching one out for Mansell or Gibcus is the answer. You can't sleep on Miller either. His own performances has been fine in his 2 games, but more importantly the backline overall looked more dependable & comfortable when he is in it. Our weak positions are mids (mainly inside), wing & a genuine 3rd attacking forward and not sure if anyone on that list is a genuine option to help in those positions

 

[dusty1234!]

Many are sick to death of playing for Cameron I'd reckon. I loved him as a Tiger, arguably the greatest kick in the game's history, but he's a very ordinary coach.

Maybe Hird can inject some genuine club spirit into them.

Would you take Leon as an assistant?
Completely irrelevant but just curious

 

[Hoos]

What I enjoyed the most was our attack on the ball and/or the man with the ball was back. GWS clearly didn't have an answer for it, but to be fair they played like they didn't have too many answers for anything.

Grimes in for an extremely unlucky Ben Miller I suppose and if Dow's injury keeps him out maybe Will Martyn comes in if RCD still isn't quite ready. I think Prestia will be given another week and probably Jack too (which postpones that selection dilemma).

Our rucks will have more of a challenge this week but I'll back them both in to give a similar performance.

B: Broad Tarrant Gibcus
HB: Short Grimes Rioli
C: Pickett Cotchin McIntosh
HF: Edwards Balta Bolton
F: Castagna Lynch Baker
Foll: Soldo Ross Graham
I/C: Nankervis Parker Ralphsmith Dow

E: Mansell Cumberland Miller Martyn

In: Grimes
Out: Miller

 

[wegetpumped]

Many are sick to death of playing for Cameron I'd reckon. I loved him as a Tiger, arguably the greatest kick in the game's history, but he's a very ordinary coach.

Maybe Hird can inject some genuine club spirit into them.

I see what you did there I thought it was compulsory to have the covid jab I think Hirdy will be straight into it

 

[Nostradumbass]

Would you take Leon as an assistant?
Completely irrelevant but just curious

No thanks, he comes across as a massive downer.

 

[Bojangles17]

JG hasn’t even scratched the surface…He’s learning the game plan and playing his role, with RT beautifully…It’s no coincidence that McKay, Curnow, Riccardi and Hogan have kicked only one goal between them…Extraordinary…

ssssssshhhhh bloody shsssssssshhh that doesn’t go with the narrative , I’m worried about our defence

 

[Madtiger2006]

Hopefully Dow comes up. Aarts needs to go. Bring in Dawkins if Dusty not available

 

[Roachy8]

Hopefully Dow comes up. Aarts needs to go. Bring in Dawkins if Dusty not available

I'm dumb - who is Dawkins please?

 

[tigerdan]

Only watched the second half. A classic "team effort". Thought we'd get smashed in the midfield.

GWS need to get their shit together. A strategy of bombing to the hot spot only works if you're not kicking it straight up in the air, and you need crumbers at the bottom of the pack. We picked them off with ease.

Look good on Aarts for making it to seniors but he doesnt have the skills to worry anyone. At least george can be mercurial and the oppos have to watch him just in case he gets loose.

 

[pins and needles]

For the position he plays. Short is 100% A grade footballer.

Kitchen sink meet J. Short.

 

[DickieKnee]

I'm dumb - who is Dawkins please?

RCD. Collier Dawkins

 

[Noidnadroj]

Again I'm not calling for him to be our number 1 midfielder or even in our top 5 every week. It's about the way he plays and the impact he has in the games. I don't care if he is only getting 12-15 disposals if he is hunting the man and attacking the contest every time we need him to go. That's not disrespecting Trent, that's holding him to account, the same way we hold every other player who runs out on game day to account. Unfortunately a lot of people seem happy to have different levels of accountability depending on the player they're discussing.

In Round 1 Cotch had a poor game, alongside pretty much every teammate. But he still had the second most contested possessions of any Richmond player on the ground. The equal second most clearances. So he was very ordinary, but still better than most other mids we had rotating through there. As a matter of interest, Dusty was our best mid in Round 1. Who do you assess as being the second best performed midfielder Round 1?

Then in Round 2 who do you assess as being our best performed midfielder?

CP: Cotchin equal first

Clearances: Cotchin equal second

Inside 50’s: Second

Goal Assist: first

SI’s: Equal second

Tackles: Cotchin number 1 with 8 (next best 5)

I hear Kane Cornes talk about ‘yeah, he only had 18 touches’ as some sort of defence against writing Cotchin off after 1 week.

Possessions for Richmond players are a complete irrelevance based on the way we play. Cotchin is twice the player from 2017 onwards he was from 2013-16 when he was getting 30+ most weeks. (Look at Bomber players and Port players racking up the stats for zero return).

So when you talk about holding him accountable I’m not sure what you’re suggesting? You would have dropped him after Round 1 and we potentially lose to GWS.

If he strings 2-3 really poor games together then I’m not against giving him a spell - but it would have to be really really bad run of form if we think we’d get better return from RCD, Martyn or Ross.

And I’m also in the camp if our season is cooked after the bye to give more midfield time to the youngsters and transition Cotch to half back or wherever to make that happen. But Round 1 is not the time to be questioning his worth ..being close to BOG in round 2 against one of the competition’s best midfields in a really important game as part of a decimated midfield is evidence of that.


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[tiger_tough]

Parker was excellent, and i hated his selection. Really glad i have no say at all.....

His disposal is still very average but his chase and hustle is amazing, weve been missing that big time so he needs to stay in imo

Also thought dow was very good in patches, some of his work around stoppages is amazing to watch. Very quick feet and a nice side step. We should persist.

Parker went @ 83% DE by foot on the weekend. Only 4 players on the ground who had equal or more kicks went better than that. Whitfield who is regarded by many as the best kick in the league went @ 69%. His disposal was great overall.

 

[Lynchy04]

Couldn't watch the game live but have watched the replay and agree with comments on Parker being very good on weekend. Broad, Tarrant, Gibcus outstanding start to the season on the key forwards. Looked so much better with Balta/Lynch combo , harsh on Jack being a great servant but can't pick him based on how we set up. Bring back through the twos and if form warrants come back in.

McKay 1 goal Rd 1
Silvagni 1 goal if you put him into that key foward catergory.
De Koning 0
Curnow 0

Hogan 0
Himmelburg 2
Riccardi 0

 

[year of the tiger]

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[DoItForCaptBlood]

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Well said!

 

[Noidnadroj]

With Balta’s ability to play upfield, ruck, wing, forward then Jack should play. It creates match-up nightmares for the Saints.


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[Barnard]

Although Parker probably isn't in the best 22 he is probably an ideal Sub when not required to play. He has his flaws but I don’t think his effort or commitment to his role could have been questioned any time he has suited up for the club, aarts is probably in the same boat but the difference for me is that Aarts is a real momentum killer at times, just a silly unforced fumble, clumsy free kick against, turnover under no pressure these thoughts of things really swing a tight game.

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

Although Parker probably isn't in the best 22 he is probably an ideal Sub when not required to play. He has his flaws but I don’t think his effort or commitment to his role could have been questioned any time he has suited up for the club, aarts is probably in the same boat but the difference for me is that Aarts is a real momentum killer at times, just a silly unforced fumble, clumsy free kick against, turnover under no pressure these thoughts of things really swing a tight game.

Agree. In the 10 minutes Aarts was on the ground, he dropped a sitter in the middle under no pressure, which would have against a better side been swept downfield for a likely goal. Then a poor handball at the feet of an overlap player, killing the ball movement. Diabolical errors.
There are few younger players coming through, and hopefully he will sooner rather than later be back in the VFL, which is his level. A trier who, like Morris, gives his all and no doubt is a great team man, just doesn't have the skills required for AFL level.