Toast Round 2 Rising Star Nom: Ryan Burton GET AROUND HIM!

[Bumps"N"Grins]

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So Hogan doesn't have a right hand?
Right got it!
Remember a time not long ago that you couldn't even rest a hand in a players back? Then there was the interpretation that said you could hold your ground but not extend your arms or is it now the Travis Cloke rule that you can just monster your opponent anyway you like when the ball is within 10m but that would mean that you only have .05 of a second to shove your opponent.
Nah this was just a pure gut feel decision by the umpire making a decision based on what he thought happened and not what he knows happened.

 

[Mr Lizard]

Remember a time not long ago that you couldn't even rest a hand in a players back? Then there was the interpretation that said you could hold your ground but not extend your arms

No hand in the back, no 'two separate motions', nothing to see here.

 

[Nugett]

So Hogan doesn't have a right hand?
Right got it!
Remember a time not long ago that you couldn't even rest a hand in a players back? Then there was the interpretation that said you could hold your ground but not extend your arms or is it now the Travis Cloke rule that you can just monster your opponent anyway you like when the ball is within 10m but that would mean that you only have .05 of a second to shove your opponent.
Nah this was just a pure gut feel decision by the umpire making a decision based on what he thought happened and not what he knows happened.

Think it's the rule that where if you receive a little publicity and your talked up a bit, said player gets the benefit.

 

[threesixpio]

The push was activated by a side push but the right hand on his back guided him forward

 

[Bumps"N"Grins]

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No hand in the back, no 'two separate motions', nothing to see here.

Don't know what you are looking at? Maybe a visit to opsm.
(Wink)

 

[Mr Lizard]

Don't know what you are looking at? Maybe a visit to opsm.
(Wink)

Hogan was just holding his ground; Burton happened to be on his ground at the time, so Hogan gently displaced him.

 

[OnTheRocks]

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Free kick Hogan. Burton kicked him in the thigh.

 

[Bumps"N"Grins]

Hogan was just holding his ground; Burton happened to be on his ground at the time, so Hogan gently displaced him.

So where are we at now? Agreeing, disagreeing or agreeing to disagree.
(Hands in the air)

 

[OnTheRocks]

So where are we at now? Agreeing, disagreeing or agreeing to disagree.
(Hands in the air)

#hawthornproblems

 

[threesixpio]

The only way Burton falls forward, if not actually pushed in the back, is if he deliberately fell. There is no way that he could have contrived to fall forward if there was force applied from the side. This suggests there was no push from the side, otherwise there would have been at least some sideways movement.

Either in the back for a free to Burton, or a dive by Burton.

You don't like my right hand on the back to guide him forward from the side push by the left theory?

Did JFK's assassination get this much attention?

 

[Mr Lizard]

So where are we at now? Agreeing, disagreeing or agreeing to disagree.
(Hands in the air)

It's open to interpretation.

Actually, we're complaining about umpires in the Ernie thread. * that!


.....2017 NAB AFL RISING STAR RYAN BURTON!.....

 

[Luke_Hodgey_15]

You ought to be retiring (and framing) the '15' jumper, not destroying it.

Get a new one with 5.

I was lucky enough to get hold of Hodgey's playing jumper from last year, gonna try again for it this year. Straight to the poolroom!

 

[cryptor]

Was definitely in the back by Hogan, but Roughy got away with one just as blatant earlier in the game that got us a goal as well, so whatever.

As for the Rising Star thing. He's not getting spoken about because the players that have been are more recent, and higher picks. Burton leads or is in the top few (as averages, relative to Rising Star eligibles) in a number of good stats. Some people might try and claim it's only because he's wracking up cheap stats across half back. But it's actually McGrath that leads in uncontested possessions per game and despite that still has more clangers per game than Burton.

He should be leading at the moment. Needs us to be more vocal on social media about it. Make the media aware.

 

[beta_condition]

Ryan's number one in Kicks, Disposals, Super coach scores, second in disposal efficiency(Hardwick number 1), top three in rebounds and one percenters, sixth in marks and ninth in tackles.

 

[Nugett]

You don't like my right hand on the back to guide him forward from the side push by the left theory?

Did JFK's assassination get this much attention?

Instead of a magic bullet, we have Hogans magic hands.

 

[Mr Lizard]

Roughy got away with one just as blatant

A three point win lets me agree with "so whatever", but for comparison:





Roughy uses his forearm, and doesn't drive into Frost so much as Frost backs into him.

Far easier to argue this was "holding his ground" than Hogan's effort.


Also, one of the times 'Hogan monstered Burton' it was actually Cam Pederson, for their first goal.



Ragdolled him like Burton is just a 20yo rookie.

 

[Suntory Boss Coffee]

Was definitely in the back by Hogan, but Roughy got away with one just as blatant earlier in the game that got us a goal as well, so whatever.

As for the Rising Star thing. He's not getting spoken about because the players that have been are more recent, and higher picks. Burton leads or is in the top few (as averages, relative to Rising Star eligibles) in a number of good stats. Some people might try and claim it's only because he's wracking up cheap stats across half back. But it's actually McGrath that leads in uncontested possessions per game and despite that still has more clangers per game than Burton.

He should be leading at the moment. Needs us to be more vocal on social media about it. Make the media aware.

And just like that HFC releases an article.
http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/2017-05-10/burtons-break-out-season

 

[cyrilicious]

did sam mitchell win the rising star in the number 5? what are odds of both winning the prize in succession!??!?!

 

[Gralin]

did sam mitchell win the rising star in the number 5? what are odds of both winning the prize in succession!??!?!

Won it in 28
Started wearing 5 the following year

 

[HODGEYROAD]

Burton still paying $23 for rising star. He's clearly equal best player in the field, if not, outright best. Very good odds given the only thing going against him is publicity, and if the Hawks win a few, that could change.


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The problem is publicity is usually the most important deciding factor when it comes to these type of awards.

 

[Hodginator]

The problem is publicity is usually the most important deciding factor when it comes to these type of awards.

This. Just doesn't get the kudos in the wider football community and hence is less likely to win.

 

[burger09]

And just like that HFC releases an article.
http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/2017-05-10/burtons-break-out-season

Ranked 1st in rebound 50s!

Just highlights how important he has already become.

Kid is a jet.

 

[Baz_hawk]

Thing I noticed watching the game back was Burton's kick late in the first quarter. See below..

Quality isn't great but that's got to be at least a 60m drop punt?

 

[cryptor]

A three point win lets me agree with "so whatever", but for comparison:

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Roughy uses his forearm, and doesn't drive into Frost so much as Frost backs into him.

Far easier to argue this was "holding his ground" than Hogan's effort.


Also, one of the times 'Hogan monstered Burton' it was actually Cam Pederson, for their first goal.

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Ragdolled him like Burton is just a 20yo rookie.

Pictures are a bit too blurry. I just remember seeing it live at the game and then up on the screen and thinking "probably got a bit lucky there".

There was also another one in the 3rd where Roughy probably infringed by pushing a player out without eyes for the ball and we got a mark and goal.

Umpiring was quite bad both ways all game and I sincerely thought we copped more of the bad. But I'm sure Dees supporters think they were. Either way we were better for longer and won so no need for us to dwell on umpiring.

 

[cryptor]

And just like that HFC releases an article.
http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/2017-05-10/burtons-break-out-season

I saw that and I wouldn't even have been mad if they plagiarized my post without credit. Instead I'm "mad" they didn't use better stats! He's not just leading disposals - any chip scab can get a lot of touches - he also leads EFFECTIVE disposals!