Review Round 21 = Hawthorn 105-73 Collingwood
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JuniorB
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With Melbourne winning and having about the same percentage, it's only 2.
The same will apply if Brisbane win today.
An elbow isn’t weight bearing though.
Just trying to lighten the mood but you are spot on. I wouldn't risk him if he's not 100%
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I cant agree more. Darcy Moore was atrocious.
I made a similar comment mid week and got cut down.
An absolute liability
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Although, to be fair, if you watched the VFL today, we don't have anything in the way of players ready to take a step up into the AFL team.
His game yesterday was awful. Wouldn't go so far as to say he was a liability, but I doubt he has ever had a worse game.
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Look, there's hope Jmac that Nick can get fit by the second final -- and we will have second. Might have to play as sub though first time round. r get subbed off. At least it isn't a calf like Sam Kerr!
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We've all had shockers but it was hellish for sure. Mind you, most of the blame still has to go on our mids. The number of times the ball came straight down to our defence -- you'd have had to be the best backline in history to weather that.
This should not be celebrated
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Not that well...
On the opening Saturday in August, Collingwood did not fire a shot and barely offered a whimper in their shock loss to Hawthorn by 32 points. It was clear from the outset in the opening term that the Magies did not come with the right intensity against the Hawks and paid a substantial price on the scoreboard to trail by 23 points at quarter time. The second quarter was easily Collingwood's best quarter of the entire game as they got within a kick with a burst of four goals to get back into the contest. The half time deficit was reduced to 11 points at the main break. The third term saw the Pies play sloppy footy as the Hawks continued to restore and then gain capital on their margin to lead by 26 points at three quarter time. Hawthorn snuffed out any prospect of a comeback with the first three goals of the last quarter to put the game beyond doubt, before Collingwood booted three of the last four goals to reduce the deficit and add respectability to the scoreboard in a game which the Woods lost by 32 points.
The only statistics Collingwood won on the evening were clearances by +2 (36 - 34), stoppage clearances by +17 (33 - 16), +9 for tackles (65 - 56) and contested marks had a margin of +3 (10 - 7). Hawthorn monopolised all of the remaining key statistical categories starting with disposals by +97 (410 - 313), +79 for kicks (252 - 173), handballs were won by +18 (158 - 140), while contested possessions had a differential of +4 (116 - 112), followed by uncontested possessions being claimed by +87 (285 - 198). Turnovers were -8 in Hawthorn's favour (57 - 65), intercept possessions were won by +6 (65 - 59), hit-outs had a margin of +13 (49 - 36), and centre clearances had an advantage of +15 ( 18 - 3 ). Tackles Inside 50 were claimed by +3 ( 11 - 8 ), while the Hawks had a field day with a differential of +63 for marks (139 - 76), uncontested marks had a margin of +66 (132 - 66), while intercept marks were up by +6 (65 - 59), Marks Inside 50 were won by +7 (16 - 9), and +16 for Inside 50s (59 - 43).
Scott Pendlebury (23 disposals @ 70%, 439 metres gained, 8 contested possessions, 15 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 14 kicks, 9 handballs, 4 marks, 7 tackles, 1 goal assist, 4 score involvements, 6 clearances, 5 stoppage clearances, 4 Inside 50s & 1 goal) accumulated disposals and provided territory while impacting the scoreboard late.
Steele Sidebottom (21 disposals @ 67%, 400 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 18 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 17 kicks, 4 handballs, 6 marks, 3 tackles, 1 goal assist, 2 score involvements, 2 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances, 3 Inside 50s & 6 Rebound 50s) found it challenging to maintain possession effectively under pressure, and his attacking flair was stymied throughout the entire game.
Josh Daicos (19 disposals @ 84%, 341 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 14 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 12 kicks, 7 handballs, 2 marks, 2 tackles, 2 score involvements, 2 clearances & 2 stoppage clearances) accumulated his possessions effectively under the circumstances, but was unable to generate aggressive and meaningful ball use in the process.
Jordan De Goey (17 disposals @ 82%, 353 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 11 uncontested possessions, 7 kicks, 10 handballs, 5 tackles, 4 score involvements, 4 clearances, 3 stoppage clearances, 2 Inside 50s & 2 goals) had a moderate impact on the game with two goals that initially kept Collingwood in the game, before it got away from them.
Darcy Cameron (11 disposals @ 82%, 124 metres gained, 31 hit-outs, 8 contested possessions, 3 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 5 kicks, 6 handballs, 5 tackles, 2 score involvements, 2 clearances & 2 stoppage clearances) had his hit-outs sharked by the opposition in the middle, but continued to compete manfully at stoppages around the ground.
Jack Crisp (27 disposals @ 67%, 547 metres gained, 10 contested possessions, 17 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 15 kicks, 12 handballs, 8 marks, 3 tackles, 6 score involvements, 5 clearances, 5 stoppage clearances, 3 Inside 50s & 3 Rebound 50s) spent most of the time defending with plenty of marks taken and territory provided on transition without being particularly accurate nor damaging. Crisp had stints in the midfield where he won some clearances and created opportunities for his forwards.
Isaac Quaynor (18 disposals @ 78%, 228 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 13 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 7 kicks, 11 handballs, 5 marks, 5 tackles, 2 score involvements, 2 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances & 3 Rebound 50s) did the best he could under the circumstances with his ball use being mostly effective throughout the evening. Quaynor almost kicked a great running goal in the second term that would've levelled the scores. That was as close as Collingwood got to the lead for the entire game.
John Noble (16 disposals @ 94%, 249 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 12 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 6 kicks, 10 handballs, 4 marks, 2 score involvements, 2 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances & 4 Rebound 50s) took the game on by releasing handballs on the run which hit their targets, but he had his kicking game nullified.
Brayden Maynard (16 disposals @ 88%, 239 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 11 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 9 kicks, 7 handballs, 3 marks, 3 tackles, 2 goal assists, 4 score involvements & 2 Inside 50s) had a solid game on a dirty night for the club, where he hit the vast majority of his targets and created scores off half-back.
Jeremy Howe (14 disposals @ 86%, 229 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 10 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 9 kicks, 5 handballs, 5 marks, 2 contested marks, 2 score involvements & 5 Rebound 50s) had a sublime first quarter where he marked everything to reduce the damge, but could not maintain that momentum for the remainder of the contest.
Darcy Moore (12 disposals @ 92%, 288 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 6 uncontested possessions, 10 intercept possessions, 6 kicks, 6 handballs, 8 marks, 3 contested marks, 2 Inside 50s & 8 Rebound 50s) had a brilliant marking game as he usually does, but did not make excellent decisions with his possessions, one of which was a lazy and casual handpass that got turned over and resulted in a goal in the third term.
Patrick Lipinski (18 disposals @ 78%, 196 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 11 uncontested possessions, 7 kicks, 11 handballs, 2 tackles, 6 score involvements, 2 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances, 3 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) created opportunities for his teammates up forward, but there were occasions where Lipinski didn't go after the ball with complete hunger and desperation that may pose questions about his spot in the AFL side, unless he responds with aplomb.
Taylor Adams (13 disposals @ 69%, 146 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 7 uncontested possessions, 5 kicks, 8 handballs, 4 tackles, 1 goal assist, 5 score involvements, 3 clearances, 3 stoppage clearances & 2 Inside 50s) had a similar impact to Lipinski where he created scoring opportunities for his teammates, but not much else. Adams had stints in the middle with not much success coming from it.
Bobby Hill (13 disposals @ 62%, 188 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 9 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 9 kicks, 4 handballs, 6 marks, 3 score involvements, 3 Inside 50s & 1 goal) rolled and worked high up the ground for his marks, before ending up with Collingwood's last goal of the game.
Brody Mihocek (12 disposals @ 67%, 311 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 9 uncontested possessions, 8 kicks, 4 handballs, 4 marks, 3 goal assists, 5 score involvements & 6 Inside 50s) generated forward territory and scoring chains without kicking any goals.
Beau McCreery (11 disposals @ 73%, 299 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 6 uncontested possessions, 7 kicks, 4 handballs, 3 marks, 4 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 1 goal assist, 5 score involvements, 3 Inside 50s & 1 goal) provided energy with his tackling, and had scoreboard impact by creating opportunities and snapping a goal in the second term.
Jamie Elliott (11 disposals @ 73%, 195 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 6 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 7 kicks, 4 handballs, 5 marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 3 tackles, 6 score involvements, 4 Inside 50s & 3 goals) made the most of his chances in front of goal on a night where very few opportrunities came his way up forward.
Dan McStay (6 disposals @ 83%, 5 hit-outs, 4 contested possessions, 2 uncontested possessions, 4 kicks, 2 handballs, 4 marks, 3 contested marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 4 tackles, 4 score involvements & 2 goals) impacted a few marking contests up forward where he was able to convert his goals, while giving Darcy Cameron a chop-out in the ruck, even though he never looked convincing while he was there as a relief ruckman.
Collingwood's next game will be against Geelong on August 11 at the MCG. Over the last two games, the Magpies have had issues with their hunger and desperation at each contest at ground level and in aerial contests. The Woods will have to win their next few games without Nick Daicos & Nathan Murphy, which are savage blows to the morale of the entire team. The Cats have winning form into this game, so it will be a huge task and challenge to win without the aforementioned pair of players in the immediate term. Collingwood's hunger for the ball must be accomplished if victory is to be achieved against the reigning premiers on Friday night.
The only statistics Collingwood won on the evening were clearances by +2 (36 - 34), stoppage clearances by +17 (33 - 16), +9 for tackles (65 - 56) and contested marks had a margin of +3 (10 - 7). Hawthorn monopolised all of the remaining key statistical categories starting with disposals by +97 (410 - 313), +79 for kicks (252 - 173), handballs were won by +18 (158 - 140), while contested possessions had a differential of +4 (116 - 112), followed by uncontested possessions being claimed by +87 (285 - 198). Turnovers were -8 in Hawthorn's favour (57 - 65), intercept possessions were won by +6 (65 - 59), hit-outs had a margin of +13 (49 - 36), and centre clearances had an advantage of +15 ( 18 - 3 ). Tackles Inside 50 were claimed by +3 ( 11 - 8 ), while the Hawks had a field day with a differential of +63 for marks (139 - 76), uncontested marks had a margin of +66 (132 - 66), while intercept marks were up by +6 (65 - 59), Marks Inside 50 were won by +7 (16 - 9), and +16 for Inside 50s (59 - 43).
Scott Pendlebury (23 disposals @ 70%, 439 metres gained, 8 contested possessions, 15 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 14 kicks, 9 handballs, 4 marks, 7 tackles, 1 goal assist, 4 score involvements, 6 clearances, 5 stoppage clearances, 4 Inside 50s & 1 goal) accumulated disposals and provided territory while impacting the scoreboard late.
Steele Sidebottom (21 disposals @ 67%, 400 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 18 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 17 kicks, 4 handballs, 6 marks, 3 tackles, 1 goal assist, 2 score involvements, 2 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances, 3 Inside 50s & 6 Rebound 50s) found it challenging to maintain possession effectively under pressure, and his attacking flair was stymied throughout the entire game.
Josh Daicos (19 disposals @ 84%, 341 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 14 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 12 kicks, 7 handballs, 2 marks, 2 tackles, 2 score involvements, 2 clearances & 2 stoppage clearances) accumulated his possessions effectively under the circumstances, but was unable to generate aggressive and meaningful ball use in the process.
Jordan De Goey (17 disposals @ 82%, 353 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 11 uncontested possessions, 7 kicks, 10 handballs, 5 tackles, 4 score involvements, 4 clearances, 3 stoppage clearances, 2 Inside 50s & 2 goals) had a moderate impact on the game with two goals that initially kept Collingwood in the game, before it got away from them.
Darcy Cameron (11 disposals @ 82%, 124 metres gained, 31 hit-outs, 8 contested possessions, 3 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 5 kicks, 6 handballs, 5 tackles, 2 score involvements, 2 clearances & 2 stoppage clearances) had his hit-outs sharked by the opposition in the middle, but continued to compete manfully at stoppages around the ground.
Jack Crisp (27 disposals @ 67%, 547 metres gained, 10 contested possessions, 17 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 15 kicks, 12 handballs, 8 marks, 3 tackles, 6 score involvements, 5 clearances, 5 stoppage clearances, 3 Inside 50s & 3 Rebound 50s) spent most of the time defending with plenty of marks taken and territory provided on transition without being particularly accurate nor damaging. Crisp had stints in the midfield where he won some clearances and created opportunities for his forwards.
Isaac Quaynor (18 disposals @ 78%, 228 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 13 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 7 kicks, 11 handballs, 5 marks, 5 tackles, 2 score involvements, 2 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances & 3 Rebound 50s) did the best he could under the circumstances with his ball use being mostly effective throughout the evening. Quaynor almost kicked a great running goal in the second term that would've levelled the scores. That was as close as Collingwood got to the lead for the entire game.
John Noble (16 disposals @ 94%, 249 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 12 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 6 kicks, 10 handballs, 4 marks, 2 score involvements, 2 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances & 4 Rebound 50s) took the game on by releasing handballs on the run which hit their targets, but he had his kicking game nullified.
Brayden Maynard (16 disposals @ 88%, 239 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 11 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 9 kicks, 7 handballs, 3 marks, 3 tackles, 2 goal assists, 4 score involvements & 2 Inside 50s) had a solid game on a dirty night for the club, where he hit the vast majority of his targets and created scores off half-back.
Jeremy Howe (14 disposals @ 86%, 229 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 10 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 9 kicks, 5 handballs, 5 marks, 2 contested marks, 2 score involvements & 5 Rebound 50s) had a sublime first quarter where he marked everything to reduce the damge, but could not maintain that momentum for the remainder of the contest.
Darcy Moore (12 disposals @ 92%, 288 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 6 uncontested possessions, 10 intercept possessions, 6 kicks, 6 handballs, 8 marks, 3 contested marks, 2 Inside 50s & 8 Rebound 50s) had a brilliant marking game as he usually does, but did not make excellent decisions with his possessions, one of which was a lazy and casual handpass that got turned over and resulted in a goal in the third term.
Patrick Lipinski (18 disposals @ 78%, 196 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 11 uncontested possessions, 7 kicks, 11 handballs, 2 tackles, 6 score involvements, 2 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances, 3 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) created opportunities for his teammates up forward, but there were occasions where Lipinski didn't go after the ball with complete hunger and desperation that may pose questions about his spot in the AFL side, unless he responds with aplomb.
Taylor Adams (13 disposals @ 69%, 146 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 7 uncontested possessions, 5 kicks, 8 handballs, 4 tackles, 1 goal assist, 5 score involvements, 3 clearances, 3 stoppage clearances & 2 Inside 50s) had a similar impact to Lipinski where he created scoring opportunities for his teammates, but not much else. Adams had stints in the middle with not much success coming from it.
Bobby Hill (13 disposals @ 62%, 188 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 9 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 9 kicks, 4 handballs, 6 marks, 3 score involvements, 3 Inside 50s & 1 goal) rolled and worked high up the ground for his marks, before ending up with Collingwood's last goal of the game.
Brody Mihocek (12 disposals @ 67%, 311 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 9 uncontested possessions, 8 kicks, 4 handballs, 4 marks, 3 goal assists, 5 score involvements & 6 Inside 50s) generated forward territory and scoring chains without kicking any goals.
Beau McCreery (11 disposals @ 73%, 299 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 6 uncontested possessions, 7 kicks, 4 handballs, 3 marks, 4 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 1 goal assist, 5 score involvements, 3 Inside 50s & 1 goal) provided energy with his tackling, and had scoreboard impact by creating opportunities and snapping a goal in the second term.
Jamie Elliott (11 disposals @ 73%, 195 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 6 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 7 kicks, 4 handballs, 5 marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 3 tackles, 6 score involvements, 4 Inside 50s & 3 goals) made the most of his chances in front of goal on a night where very few opportrunities came his way up forward.
Dan McStay (6 disposals @ 83%, 5 hit-outs, 4 contested possessions, 2 uncontested possessions, 4 kicks, 2 handballs, 4 marks, 3 contested marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 4 tackles, 4 score involvements & 2 goals) impacted a few marking contests up forward where he was able to convert his goals, while giving Darcy Cameron a chop-out in the ruck, even though he never looked convincing while he was there as a relief ruckman.
Collingwood's next game will be against Geelong on August 11 at the MCG. Over the last two games, the Magpies have had issues with their hunger and desperation at each contest at ground level and in aerial contests. The Woods will have to win their next few games without Nick Daicos & Nathan Murphy, which are savage blows to the morale of the entire team. The Cats have winning form into this game, so it will be a huge task and challenge to win without the aforementioned pair of players in the immediate term. Collingwood's hunger for the ball must be accomplished if victory is to be achieved against the reigning premiers on Friday night.
Can someone please show Fly some tapes of S. Heard and how he helped the Bombers with a tagging role.
Sheedy then had plans when Watson etc., was tagged by running players at the taggers in packs and fairly (most times) bumping/collding with taggers to create separation.
Sheedy tactics would be quite applicable now as Sicily killed us and we did nothing about it.
Sheedy then had plans when Watson etc., was tagged by running players at the taggers in packs and fairly (most times) bumping/collding with taggers to create separation.
Sheedy tactics would be quite applicable now as Sicily killed us and we did nothing about it.
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Looking forward to seeing how he goes tagging Bont next week.
Torturing myself to a viewing of the replay and even before his injury, Nick Daicos didn't really look like he was trying to create separation from Mcguinness at times. Even when we started getting on top in the second he wouldn't even back himself to get away from him.
The same dash seemed to disappear from his game over the past few weeks? It can't just be that he is starting to get physical attention.
The same dash seemed to disappear from his game over the past few weeks? It can't just be that he is starting to get physical attention.
Any plodder like that useless turd who is fit enough is capable of pulling his jumper and niggling a star all day can get a game - this is a Mitchell type player, flash in the pan until he gets a beating then the only time you hear about this guy is when we are talking about Nicks Brownlow or when that * stick Corns pots him on twitter
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I admire your dedication. I just can't bring myself to watch replays of the past 2 matches, as much as I'd like to see a few things from those games.
I actually turned it on just to watch the first quarter and how Daicos was beaten, and haven't turned it off.
Just remembered Fly said he got knocked BEFORE they sent him forward, and it was there he eventually got the knee knock. But still, been a couple of weeks without the same zap. Doesn't matter now, though!
Made the mistake of watching first crack.
I'm avoiding that this week. They'd say the Hawks have us worked out, etc.
Having watched the replay we just didn't want it as much as them. I feel like that's the general gist of McRae's opening response on his press conference, too.
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Lots of intercepting but had a shocker with ball in hand.
First Crack focused on 4 big name players who have to lift for us to get back on track. Darcy Moore 2 of his worst career games last 2 weeks. Mihocek career best form early in the year to non existent. Mitchell making a huge difference in centre clearances early in the year to almost nothing. Pendles in the midfield getting further and further away from his man , just can’t keep up. Commented whether he should be moved elsewhere on the ground.
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Re Checkers, if the selectors want to persist with three tall (er) forwards, they need more coaching on how to make more space for each other. They all fly for together for the same ball. Whoever is deemed the best, most accurate passer of the ball needs to play further out from goal IMHO.
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