Preview Round 6 vs Port Adelaide

[The acurate one]

So as of yesterday the changes while they may not look from the outside that we give a shit, what they the changes state is we're sticking with the process that has got us this far. I admit I didn't dare discuss or question what "this far" actually stood for.

Now there is a chance TT plays , but I'm believing out Ahern & in McDonalds and.... E-I-E-I-O ( added for dramatic effect)

Also (AGAIN) this was Tuesday, so yeah could change but yeah Brad don't like what Ahern brings I think it's fair to say. Actually it's the truth.

 

[DesertRoo]

Yeah, I realised and edited my post. Cheers.

I think we need to look at how the eagles did it.
They basically got their man and his team in.
No messing about, no half measures. Unfortunately we just have to wait it out till the seasons done.

I’d be giving the reins to one of the assistants, with the instructions of getting the team to hunt the ball and the man. Don’t care about the results, I want to see teams hurt after playing North Melbourne.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

So as of yesterday the changes while they may not look from the outside that we give a shit, what they the changes state is we're sticking with the process that has got us this far. I admit I didn't dare discuss or question what "this far" actually stood for.

Now there is a chance TT plays , but I'm believing out Ahern & in McDonalds and.... E-I-E-I-O ( added for dramatic effect)

Also (AGAIN) this was Tuesday, so yeah could change but yeah Brad don't like what Ahern brings I think it's fair to say. Actually it's the truth.

LOL.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

So as of yesterday the changes while they may not look from the outside that we give a shit, what they the changes state is we're sticking with the process that has got us this far. I admit I didn't dare discuss or question what "this far" actually stood for.

Now there is a chance TT plays , but I'm believing out Ahern & in McDonalds and.... E-I-E-I-O ( added for dramatic effect)

Also (AGAIN) this was Tuesday, so yeah could change but yeah Brad don't like what Ahern brings I think it's fair to say. Actually it's the truth.

Trolling (Brad, I mean). Ahern was rubbish last week but if that's our criterion there would be plenty of outs.

And lol at "this far".

 

[DesertRoo]

So as of yesterday the changes while they may not look from the outside that we give a shit, what they the changes state is we're sticking with the process that has got us this far. I admit I didn't dare discuss or question what "this far" actually stood for.

Now there is a chance TT plays , but I'm believing out Ahern & in McDonalds and.... E-I-E-I-O ( added for dramatic effect)

Also (AGAIN) this was Tuesday, so yeah could change but yeah Brad don't like what Ahern brings I think it's fair to say. Actually it's the truth.

 

[The acurate one]

You all just need to trust in the process!! We've a plan in place that will or could, might, fingers crossed that if the players play the way we want them to. We can win.....

And look, I may have suggested that if Mason for example can say play like Wayne Carey that would go someway towards our cunning plan working. And there was silence which I took for a light bulb moment. Not saying I may have orchestrated a victory for us Friday night, but should we salute I probably have.

Our plan revolves around our footballers being better at football than they are, folks that's plan A.

 

[The Nostradamus]

So as of yesterday the changes while they may not look from the outside that we give a shit, what they the changes state is we're sticking with the process that has got us this far. I admit I didn't dare discuss or question what "this far" actually stood for.

Now there is a chance TT plays , but I'm believing out Ahern & in McDonalds and.... E-I-E-I-O ( added for dramatic effect)

Also (AGAIN) this was Tuesday, so yeah could change but yeah Brad don't like what Ahern brings I think it's fair to say. Actually it's the truth.

What that tells me if Macmillan and Wright are somehow still in that we are not trying to win

 

[Grogg]

So as of yesterday the changes while they may not look from the outside that we give a shit, what they the changes state is we're sticking with the process that has got us this far. I admit I didn't dare discuss or question what "this far" actually stood for.

Now there is a chance TT plays , but I'm believing out Ahern & in McDonalds and.... E-I-E-I-O ( added for dramatic effect)

Also (AGAIN) this was Tuesday, so yeah could change but yeah Brad don't like what Ahern brings I think it's fair to say. Actually it's the truth.

 

[hcd199]

So you're aiming to logically defeat (supposed) false dichotomies with false equivalencies?

I see their logic. Their logic is as follows.

1. Brad is the problem (you may agree or disagree).
2. Honourable performances and a middling finish will prevent the board from removing him (given that he's contracted, surely you can't disagree with this?).
3. Therefore the choice is between a middling finish and sacking Brad.

Of course, I want my team to win, but the dichotomy being drawn is hardly false. The board will not move against Brad if he takes us to a middling finish again. They will more likely move against him if we get pumped, as these crises often provoke change within a football club.

People aren't saying that losing will automatically guarantee long term success. They believe that if we lose, the board will move to remove what these posters believe is the main factor precluding long term success - the coach.

I don't accept that my relocation analogy is a false equivalence; both arguments have a valid form (X is a problem, X remains if Y, therefore we have X+Y or not Y) but the premises oversimplify to such a degree that they miss crucial details, which is what makes the dichotomy it concludes with false. The alternatives are not solely "a middling finish" or "get smashed this week/any given week"; however likely the board may seem to retain Brad Scott without drastically dire on-field performances, it can't be treated as a given (and why should the way the board is likely to act influence anyone's desire to win a game, any more than who the favourite to win the match is should, i.e., not at all?); the detrimental consequences of performing poorly aren't incorporated, nor are the potential benefits of performing well (I get it, we've shown glimpses throughout the decade without the improvement to show for it, but still); the degree to which resolving our problems relies on ousting Scott ASAP is overstated...

As I said in my initial post, we're all coming at this with the same ultimate goal of premierships in mind, and I believe most of us accept that changing the coach is a step we need to take sooner rather than later in that process. But it takes a lot of wonky thinking - call it oversimplification, a false dichotomy, or whatever - to get from that to "I hope we lose by 100+ on Friday night, because then the board is more likely to sack Scott", and being able to see the line of thought that got them there doesn't make it any better. It seems to me people are far too easily swayed into wanting to lose games for purported long-term benefit; the arguments their position rests upon are spurious at best, and warrant criticism.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

You all just need to trust in the process!! We've a plan in place that will or could, might, fingers crossed that if the players play the way we want them to. We can win.....

And look, I may have suggested that if Mason for example can say play like Wayne Carey that would go someway towards our cunning plan working. And there was silence which I took for a light bulb moment. Not saying I may have orchestrated a victory for us Friday night, but should we salute I probably have.

Our plan revolves around our footballers being better at football than they are, folks that's plan A.

This gets funnier every time I read it.

 

[Orange Peanut]

Let me make it clearer, there is No way Sam Mitchell or any other assistant coach is leaving, while they’re still in contention for the flag. It’s not happening.

And that’s only for the head coaching role.. what do you do with the others? Leave them on until the end of the year? Or do you think we’ll be able to poach a group of assistant coaches mid year as well?

Make it as clear as you like. Brad Scott came to us during a finals series when he was midfield coach.

You might think its impossible but it absolutely isn't and in fact the guy some of us want to say good bye to came in those exact circumstances.

 

[DesertRoo]

Make it as clear as you like. Brad Scott came to us during a finals series when he was midfield coach.

You might think its impossible but it absolutely isn't and in fact the guy some of us want to say good bye to came in those exact circumstances.

Do you think if we ditch Brad Scott alone, all will be good in the world again?

 

[Orange Peanut]

Do you think if we ditch Brad Scott alone, all will be good in the world again?

Yep

 

[75-77-96-99]

I was actually referring to your over-simplification.

fair enough SB... AFL history is littered with great comebacks from tough beginnings... a team has to start somewhere to become great..

 

[amaz199]

I think it is a bunch of factors that have a history, now coming together in a perfect storm. But the two big issues are game plan and player development.

Brad's game plan has worked over the years when the players have brought the intensity to the contest, but without it our zoning style gets picked apart by fast movement and precise kicking. I can say that usually the likely outcome has been clear 10 minutes into the first quarter, especially if its obvious we haven't clicked the switch. And without any Plan B, which I initially thought was just a running gag but is actually so true, we are very one-dimensional and easy to coach against. For some reason, the players have not been motivated to go at 100% for most of the games so far this year. Whether that is due to gelling with the new players, a reaction to the new rules, or over-coaching, time will tell, but if the team doesn't raise a yelp this Friday with a 4-quarter effort then the signs are the players are no longer buying into Brad's style of footy (which appears dull, predictable, and robotic in 2019).

The player development issue is a deeper problem for me and has been seriously exposed. Brad has never had a great record in developing talent. Cunners was stalled for years before becoming a star. JZ has never reached his full potential and only just started playing as a forward. Ats still doesn't know where he should be playing. Maj held back for years. BBB is a self-made footballer. Goldy is probably the biggest success under Brad, with Froggy the other one showing steady development. But, in general, our most important players have been our old-gen (Boomer, Petrie, Wells, Spud, Taz, Thommo) and our imports (Higgo, Waite, BJ, Dal Santo, with Polec and Pittard now). What has happened to Wood, Simpkin, Turner, Ahern, LMac, Durdin, BMac, Larkey, etc? For me, this group shows how Brad's highly structured game plan doesn't encourage young players to develop their craft, rather it trains them to follow Brad's system. Where are the emerging stars at North? I'm terrified that LDU, Walker, TT, Scott, and Taylor will all regress too under this regime.

And the new 666 rules and efforts to reduce the influence of coaches seems to have exposed our brand of football. As other coaches are giving players more freedom, Brad seems to be unable to reinvent himself and his science of football. And all the talk of Boys Club suggests he simply has too much power and control of the club, such that the things that are plain to see externally aren't raised internally or his approach simply doesn't work well enough.

Put simply, we need a new coach (or coaches) to actually know if our players can play. And a win on the back of a 4-quarter 100% effort on Friday won't resolve that problem.

On the 6-6-6 rule, it exposes not only our game plan, but our lack of fitness as a whole for years under Scott. Even going as far back as 2014, we weren't fit, we just switched on 'take-the-game-on-release-Ats' when it got messy. Brad should've implemented a vigorous training scheme to ensure the players are ready for the 6-6-6 rule because AFAIK, we cannot win contests consistently 1v1, we cannot chase consistently, we cannot pressure consistently and we cannot take the game on fluidly. We had to have numbers to the contest or a spare almost always i.e Majak. We never trusted our teammates and I don't think Scott did as well. And like many have said, we cannot fall back on our skills to keep us in touch because those skillsets have not been prioritised. A lot of players are yet to see what they are capable of since they are playing in restrictive positions/rotations, and cannot play in natural positions for longer periods i.e LDU. When players focus on playing to the game plan, where does the ability to coach themselves come into the mix? Where is the Denis Pagan way of footy?

EDIT: I would also mention the 6-6-6 rule needs teams to be unpredictable, and allow freedom to players to change their method of punching through those walls by taking the game on. Have we done that? No. We backtrack wayy too often. That is definitely a coaching issue.

Such a weird system is being implemented, and it is now falling apart as we discuss this chaotic mess.

 

[Waussie]

Serious question if you could take one of these which would it be, 100+ point loss but Scott goes or a backs to the wall win and a chance to get your season back on track which would you take.

There are many similar thoughts going around in regards to Hinkley.

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Just let us have Schofield and you can have the win, and Scott if you want him

 

[tazaa]

We cannot win this game of football.
We don’t have the gameplan or the players to do so.
The last time I felt this hopeless going into a football match was 2009 against Collingwood when Wells and Boomer were out.

 

[Waussie]

Tell you what, I'll do a lap around Arden St. naked if we win the flag this year!

Are tickets being sold, can we get the coffee cart there.

 

[giantroo]

Usual coach presser will be held tomorrow according to MM.

 

[Waussie]

Hahaha, if you think you’d be able to pull a team of coaches together, while they’re currently working for other teams, I’m all for it.. it would piss off the other 17 clubs but would be worth the price for a laugh.

But in all seriousness, do you really want someone who bails on their responsibilities mid season?

If it was an assistant, that backs himself as a head coach, why not put him in as a caretaker with a view to a permanent position at the end of the season.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

Are tickets being sold, can we get the coffee cart there.

Mate... i'll even do the second lap riding but naked on an elephant if you want.

 

[justroyal]

On an unrelated topic. How do we think all this negative media attention, public ridicule and feedback by previous nmfc ex-greats is going to affect our forwards set shot kicking this week?? Genuine question. We've seen Brown, Wood and Ziebell struggle even up to last week.

 

[Billy Not Really]

On an unrelated topic. How do we think all this negative media attention, public ridicule and feedback by previous nmfc ex-greats is going to affect our forwards set shot kicking this week?? Genuine question. We've seen Brown, Wood and Ziebell struggle even up to last week.

It'll either do one of two things, create a sense of proving people wrong again akin to 2018 or it reveals the playing groups true colors in the face of REAL pressure.

Its hard to catch lightning in a bottle like what happened in 2018 again, which even then only saw us get to 9th.

 

[danj]

I'm thinking we will put on a good display and win the first quarter even maybe maintain a lead into the third but our fitness will let us down and port will overrun us. I expect a loss of less than 5 goals with some noteworthy individual efforts.

 

[goalieboy82]

our coach (who i saw today), Scamper, My Little Geelong Cat:

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