Selection Changes

[StillCrowing]

IN: Cook
OUT: Petrenko

I don't think making a lot of changes will actually help the team. I suspect it will make a lot of supporters angry but sometimes you just have to show a bit of faith in the blokes you have.

 

[Crows4Flag]

IN: Cook
OUT: Petrenko

I don't think making a lot of changes will actually help the team. I suspect it will make a lot of supporters angry but sometimes you just have to show a bit of faith in the blokes you have.

I only have a little but more faith in Moran than i have in Gill. Which is nothing

 

[jackster83]

IN: Griffin, Armstrong, Sellar/McKernan (token game before Bock's return)
OUT: Moran, Petrenko, Stevens (go and get your head right FFS)

 

[Punchy Bassett]

Out: Douglas, Doughty, Moran.

In: Anyone who is harder, wont cough the ball up everytime they get it, or wont always play the safe option and always go backwards like the three above.

 

[dplggr47]

OUT: Petrenko, Stevens
IN: Jacky/Armstrong/Cook, Maric (to alllow Tippett to stay up forward all night and so Walker doesn't have to ruck when the ball is up forward)

 

[jarmanagic]

Firstly be kind to Stevo, he clearly has some post concussion thing going on

Time to play Sellar. Time we find out if he can step up to AFL. Plenty of players play better with more skilled players around them. Rutten and J Westhoff two recent examples of mediocre SANFL form immediately being overcome at AFL level

Time we find out about him. Some will argue we already have but now is the time to find out for sure. He is a 19-20 yo KPP after all

 

[Lets Beyblade]

FFS people – SANFL form is not an indication that that player is in any sort of form. Do you honestly believe Maric or Griffin would get picked on SANFL form?

Did anyone watch the game against Melbourne or Port where Griffin was coming off very good form only to stink it up?

Gee his SANFL form was a good indication of his ability that day wasn’t it. SANFL form doesn't matter, it never has and it never will when it comes to AFL selection.

Maybe GOOD SANFL form isn't an indication that they can do the same in the AFL but it sure as hell beats POOR SANFL form.

I really can't see it happening but would be great to see McKernan get the nod ahead of Seller. His form should at least place him next in the tryout order.

 

[Stiffy_18]

FFS people – SANFL form is not an indication that that player is in any sort of form. Do you honestly believe Maric or Griffin would get picked on SANFL form?

Did anyone watch the game against Melbourne or Port where Griffin was coming off very good form only to stink it up?

Gee his SANFL form was a good indication of his ability that day wasn’t it. SANFL form doesn't matter, it never has and it never will when it comes to AFL selection.

While I agree with the message of your post, I cannto agree that Griffen stunk it up against Melbourne. Against Port? Hell yes! Against Melbourne? No way!

And another interesting concept that I keep hearing is, player X has gone backwards! WTF? He is still the same player that he was 12 months ago (unless his performance has deteriorated due to age).

Players in our backboners age group don't go backwards in their talent. Their confidence fluctuates. Their fitness levels might be different compared to last year hence the drop off in performance but they haven't gone backwards. They are still the player with same talent level.

I keep hearing that a lot of our players have "gone backwards". Thats bullshit. Their confidence might be low. They might be paying for the lack of pre-season preparation due to this or that injury but they still have the same talent, they still are same players.

Nathan van Berlo is no worse in terms of talent that he was last year but his confidence his shot! Jason Poplyzia is the very same player that we loved last year but his lack of pre-season due to shoulder surgery is holding him back from performing at the same level that we expected from him last year.

People keep mistaking lack of confidence and fitness as meaning that the player has gone backwards, hence he is shit, hence he will never be good enough to be in the premiership side, hence we should get rid off him. Absolute hogwash. The talent is there. For various reasons its not performing to the level that we expect so why do we always want to throw the baby out with the bath water?! I still think van Berlo is a very good AFL player who is down on confidence. I still think Reilly is a good AFL player down on confidence. I still think Graham Johncock is arguably the best small defender in the AFL who is down on confidence. I still think Jason Porplyzia is one of the best players in the competition but is not performing to his standards because he hasn't had the pre-season football training. These guys are still good AFL players who for various reasons are struggling. Doesn't mean they are all of a sudden shit players.

 

[Wallace]

For mine

Out: Douglas (not an AFL player), Doughty (would rather see a younger player get game time), knights (see Douglas), Stevens (is obviously struggling - Bradshaw had a field day)

In: Jacky, Cook, Sellar/McKernan (as a key defender), Maric.

There are certain players that will lose you finals through poor skills or a lack of ability to stand up to the increased pressure. I think Douglas and Knights fit that category so I wouldnt continue to play them. See what trade week throws up for them at the end of the year. Not much I would guess.

 

[NTRabbit]

People are just perpetuating that same old opinion of Stevens without any evidence yet again. It's actually the reason I signed up to this site last year, I got sick of lurking and reading all the demands for him to be dropped and delisted, when he was clearly in our top 5 best players last season.

Stevens had a good game against Brisbane. Not a great game, a good game, against an opponent that he was always going to be outclassed by in body strength and speed off the mark. Bradshaw was well held until the third quarter when... the midfield collapsed, and gave Brisbane plenty of ball with acres of space for Bradshaw to operate in. There are few defenders in the league who could have done anything about the contests, let alone the lace out spear passes to a lead.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

People keep mistaking lack of confidence and fitness as meaning that the player has gone backwards, hence he is shit, hence he will never be good enough to be in the premiership side, hence we should get rid off him. Absolute hogwash. The talent is there. For various reasons its not performing to the level that we expect so why do we always want to throw the baby out with the bath water?! I still think van Berlo is a very good AFL player who is down on confidence. I still think Reilly is a good AFL player down on confidence. I still think Graham Johncock is arguably the best small defender in the AFL who is down on confidence. I still think Jason Porplyzia is one of the best players in the competition but is not performing to his standards because he hasn't had the pre-season football training. These guys are still good AFL players who for various reasons are struggling. Doesn't mean they are all of a sudden shit players.

Johncock has been in great form ........he just had a "stinker" of a game

Porps PS was only affected by contact work ...... it was stated he's never been fitter as he had to concentrate on fitness during rehab

That said he now has a high profile in the AFL, is recognised as our most dangerous forwrd and gets the close attention accordingly

As a small forwrd they can be easiliy squeezed out of play ....but also us bombing high balls into the forwrd 50 is not to his advantage at 178cm

Porps has to start playing in the midfield, he's a ntural midfielder ......it's just a matter of whether the shoulder is strong enough to take the continous battering.

Van Berlo played his best footy last year as an attacking midfielder .......fast forwrd 12 months and we are playing him predominately off the HB line .....not sure that's his best position

 

[Cap]

While I agree with the message of your post, I cannto agree that Griffen stunk it up against Melbourne. Against Port? Hell yes! Against Melbourne? No way!

And another interesting concept that I keep hearing is, player X has gone backwards! WTF? He is still the same player that he was 12 months ago (unless his performance has deteriorated due to age).

Players in our backboners age group don't go backwards in their talent. Their confidence fluctuates. Their fitness levels might be different compared to last year hence the drop off in performance but they haven't gone backwards. They are still the player with same talent level.

I keep hearing that a lot of our players have "gone backwards". Thats bullshit. Their confidence might be low. They might be paying for the lack of pre-season preparation due to this or that injury but they still have the same talent, they still are same players.

Nathan van Berlo is no worse in terms of talent that he was last year but his confidence his shot! Jason Poplyzia is the very same player that we loved last year but his lack of pre-season due to shoulder surgery is holding him back from performing at the same level that we expected from him last year.

People keep mistaking lack of confidence and fitness as meaning that the player has gone backwards, hence he is shit, hence he will never be good enough to be in the premiership side, hence we should get rid off him. Absolute hogwash. The talent is there. For various reasons its not performing to the level that we expect so why do we always want to throw the baby out with the bath water?! I still think van Berlo is a very good AFL player who is down on confidence. I still think Reilly is a good AFL player down on confidence. I still think Graham Johncock is arguably the best small defender in the AFL who is down on confidence. I still think Jason Porplyzia is one of the best players in the competition but is not performing to his standards because he hasn't had the pre-season football training. These guys are still good AFL players who for various reasons are struggling. Doesn't mean they are all of a sudden shit players.

 

[TheGriff6]

For mine

Out: Douglas (not an AFL player), Doughty (would rather see a younger player get game time), knights (see Douglas), Stevens (is obviously struggling - Bradshaw had a field day)

In: Jacky, Cook, Sellar/McKernan (as a key defender), Maric.

There are certain players that will lose you finals through poor skills or a lack of ability to stand up to the increased pressure. I think Douglas and Knights fit that category so I wouldnt continue to play them. See what trade week throws up for them at the end of the year. Not much I would guess.

Bit of a harsh call on Knights last week against the Bulldogs he was prolly our best player id be interested in who played on him last night after the week B4 he was prolly targeted to shut down as one of our few players in form now dealing with a negating player is somethin he needs to learn 2 do i mean come on he hasnt even played 60 games yet

 

[Stiffy_18]

Johncock has been in great form ........he just had a "stinker" of a game

Porps PS was only affected by contact work ...... it was stated he's never been fitter as he had to concentrate on fitness during rehab

That said he now has a high profile in the AFL, is recognised as our most dangerous forwrd and gets the close attention accordingly

As a small forwrd they can be easiliy squeezed out of play ....but also us bombing high balls into the forwrd 50 is not to his advantage at 178cm

Porps has to start playing in the midfield, he's a ntural midfielder ......it's just a matter of whether the shoulder is strong enough to take the continous battering.

Van Berlo played his best footy last year as an attacking midfielder .......fast forwrd 12 months and we are playing him predominately off the HB line .....not sure that's his best position

Porps might have run his guts out over the summer but he has missed out on football training. The kicking, the handballs, the tackling, all the things you get in competitive football training and while he is a natural footballer, if you don't have a pre-season you are not going to be at your best. Even the football greats have struggled in seasons where they have had interrupted pre-season.

Johncock has been great and his last couple of weeks have been down. As far as van Berlo is concerned, his confidence is shot. Even in defensive assignments, he finds more than his fair share of the footy but he stuffs up when he gets it and can't stick tackles to save his life.

I got no problem with at times playing van Berlo off HBF. He has played there before and played well. Maybe its a calculated move by the coaching staff to get his form up. I don't know. All I know is that he is having a bad year so far and he is a better player than that. He knows how to kick, he knows how to handball, he knows how to tackle. He hasn't forgotten that, it his confidence to execute it thats down at the moment.

 

[jackster83]

People keep mistaking lack of confidence and fitness as meaning that the player has gone backwards, hence he is shit, hence he will never be good enough to be in the premiership side, hence we should get rid off him. Absolute hogwash. The talent is there. For various reasons its not performing to the level that we expect so why do we always want to throw the baby out with the bath water?! I still think van Berlo is a very good AFL player who is down on confidence. I still think Reilly is a good AFL player down on confidence. I still think Graham Johncock is arguably the best small defender in the AFL who is down on confidence. I still think Jason Porplyzia is one of the best players in the competition but is not performing to his standards because he hasn't had the pre-season football training. These guys are still good AFL players who for various reasons are struggling. Doesn't mean they are all of a sudden shit players.

Shouldn't having so many players down on confidence reflect on the coach then? Has NC lost the players?

 

[RoosterLad]

For mine

Out: Douglas (not an AFL player), Doughty (would rather see a younger player get game time), knights (see Douglas), Stevens (is obviously struggling - Bradshaw had a field day)

In: Jacky, Cook, Sellar/McKernan (as a key defender), Maric.

There are certain players that will lose you finals through poor skills or a lack of ability to stand up to the increased pressure. I think Douglas and Knights fit that category so I wouldnt continue to play them. See what trade week throws up for them at the end of the year. Not much I would guess.

You don't think Knights is an AFL player? How clueless can you possibly get?

You say that yet you want Jacky, Cook and Sellar brought in!

 

[bus24]

As long as Moran never wears the shirt again I'll be happy. He's scared of his own shadow.

Out: Moran, Doughty (He's probably the king of the backwards handpass to someone under pressure)

In: Griffin, Maric

I think we really, really need Kurt up forward full time - at least for the time being. Watching last night - he showed some really good signs of improvement in his forward intelligence, I guess you would call it.

He's learning. Quickly.

He gives you that get out option too. If you're under pressure - you can just bomb it in and he's still a chance - rather than:

a) bombing away to an undersized and swamped duo of Walker and Porps

or

b) Crabbing it backwards and sideways until the inevitable turnover and opposition goal comes about.

 

[Drummond]

FFS people – SANFL form is not an indication that that player is in any sort of form. Do you honestly believe Maric or Griffin would get picked on SANFL form?

Did anyone watch the game against Melbourne or Port where Griffin was coming off very good form only to stink it up?

Gee his SANFL form was a good indication of his ability that day wasn’t it. SANFL form doesn't matter, it never has and it never will when it comes to AFL selection.

A minor addendum, I think - Good SANFL form doesn't matter when it comes to selection, bad SANFL form does. After all, if you're not even cutting it in the SANFL...

Good response.

BUT why the heck do you then have Jacky as an 'in'? He had 9 possessions and was scoreless yesterday.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

For mine

Out: Douglas (not an AFL player), Doughty (would rather see a younger player get game time), knights (see Douglas), Stevens (is obviously struggling - Bradshaw had a field day)

In: Jacky, Cook, Sellar/McKernan (as a key defender), Maric.

There are certain players that will lose you finals through poor skills or a lack of ability to stand up to the increased pressure. I think Douglas and Knights fit that category so I wouldnt continue to play them. See what trade week throws up for them at the end of the year. Not much I would guess.

Knights is one player in our team that has the ability to be top shelf, you need to consider that last week Knights played HF and not in the midfield and he must have been one frustrated player. Knights presented well and ran in all the right spots but time after time players down field did not kick the ball to his advantage.

IMO It is crazy talk dropping Knights

In regards to Sellar, why are people always calling for his selection, he is struggling to hold his form and spot in the Glenelg side

 

[NTRabbit]

Good response.

BUT why the heck do you then have Jacky as an 'in'? He had 9 possessions and was scoreless yesterday.

Couldn't find the stats, so honestly didn't know which small stuck his hand up this week. The only ones I knew for sure were that Cook was poor, Shirley is a good chance to be suspended and Armstrong had the bye - and I'm assuming Gallman and Sloane are either injured or playing reserves. If Jacky was also poor, then I guess it's either Armstrong or nobody at all.

Channel 9 reported the Crows are confident Bock will return this weekend, fyi.

 

[TheGriff6]

In regards to Sellar, why are people always calling for his selection, he is struggling to hold his form and spot in the Glenelg side

I think people (myself included) are callin for his inclussion so we can see if he will offer anything and be worth keeping on the list i mean we are in a rebuilding year so either one of 2 things happen we find out he can play (who knows playin in the crows side might spark someting in him) or we find out he is gone at the end of the year

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

I think people (myself included) are callin for his inclussion so we can see if he will offer anything and be worth keeping on the list i mean we are in a rebuilding year so either one of 2 things happen we find out he can play (who knows playin in the crows side might spark someting in him) or we find out he is gone at the end of the year

if he is not offering at the sanfl why do people think that he will magically start to offer at afl level

Sellar should be treated like all other players, his selection should be based on performance and currently he does not have the performances on the board to warrant selection

We should not treat selection and competition games as a trial we should select players the coaches have confidence in that they are ready to perform, James is not ready and needs to show more before he can seriously be considered

 

[Deaneus!]

You don't think Knights is an AFL player? How clueless can you possibly get?

Last week, first game back from a fractured eye socket, he had 24 possessions, 5 marks, 3 goals, 2 tackles, in a losing side. Last night, 14 possessions, 3 marks, 2 goals, 5 tackles, in a losing side. Obviously crap, it's miracle he's on our list. In fact, he should commit seppuku to save face. He's embarrassing everyone else on our list. Sellar called him up last night on the phone and said, "Where's your intensity?".

Oh wait, that's right. Apparently, exceptionally clueless.

 

[kirky]

For mine

Out: Douglas (not an AFL player), Doughty (would rather see a younger player get game time), knights (see Douglas), Stevens (is obviously struggling - Bradshaw had a field day)

In: Jacky, Cook, Sellar/McKernan (as a key defender), Maric.

There are certain players that will lose you finals through poor skills or a lack of ability to stand up to the increased pressure. I think Douglas and Knights fit that category so I wouldnt continue to play them. See what trade week throws up for them at the end of the year. Not much I would guess.

Please tell me you wrote this after being on the turps!

Your going to bring in another 3 players who have played less than 10 games on top of the likes of Petrenko, Dangerfield, Walker and Otten. A third of our side will have played less than 10 games - thats asking for a heap of trouble.

Absolute bloody nonsense.

The issue we have at the moment is we seem to have a drop off in concentration which sees us give up 5-6 goals in the blink of an eye.

 

[kirky]

And another thing, Carlton aren't really a tall side this week so ensure we don't become too top heavy and especially so if there are going to be showers (long range forecast).

FFS, think about it.