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[TheBrownlowMan37]

Reading stuff like that makes me feel more than slightly queasy. Bradley and Gardiner (especially) are duds of the highest order. McGregor is one dimensional and inconsistent. Forgetting about who we'd be losing under that scenario (Monty's one of my favourites and in 2005-6 was probably in the top 5 best performed players at the club - no reason to think he can't get back to that form after suffering lots of niggling injuries this year), taking up three list spots with those players would be depressing indeed.

Lol sooo true! Kepler and Gardiner are duds of the highest order, probably on par with our very own Bevan, but atleast you know he's trying! It'd be a bit like an amatuer pr0n movie, filling three holes with three duds.

 

[FM0226]

Well, definitely no thanks to Bradley. He's has the skills of a poor midfielder but the stamina of a poor KPP. No thanks.

 

[EatBig Australia]

Lol sooo true! Kepler and Gardiner are duds of the highest order, probably on par with our very own Bevan, but atleast you know he's trying! It'd be a bit like an amatuer pr0n movie, filling three holes with three duds.

While I actually rate Bevan - think he did a great job on Matera in '05 I agree with everything else. If Sydney were to trade they shouldn't go after duds like Gardiner, Kepler etc. If we were to trade Mcveigh to Essendon because of the brother connection we should chase Ryder or Monfries.

 

[super11]

Its funny how a few short years ago the same things might have been said about Craig Bolton and Darren Jolly? I think with our coach and our team structure, players like Bradley could become good players just like Jolly and Bolton. Theres no doubt Bradley and Gardiner have talent, I think they just need to get some regular game time (there are some pretty handy players keeping them out of their respective teams i.e D Fletcher, P Ryder, S Johnson etc). Anyway its food for thought (just try not to choke on it when you read it liz ). Maybe we could trade Buchanan for any combination of Prismall, Tenace, Playfair?

 

[liz]

Craig Bolton was struggling to cement a place in the strongest team of the last decade. And we didn't pay anything for him more than a pre-season draft pick.

Darren Jolly was the number two ruck behind a guy who hates being interchanged (White) and whose coach was prepared to pander to that desire. We gave up a late first round draft pick who may well have never played a game (think Josh Willoughby - different year but similar pick. Shows how picks at that level are still very hit and miss). And we absolutely desperately needed a ruckman who could step in and play right away. I think Roos' judgement has been shown to be reasonable re Jolly.

Cats fans were desperate to give Gardiner away for most of last season when they were injury riddled and generally crap. Everytime he got a game they bitched like anything. He's a mid-sized floater / flanker, of which we already have a couple of very handy ones in O'Keefe and Davis. KPP forwards are going to become a need very soon but mid-sized, soft, outside ones aren't (not that I'm labelling ROK or Davo like that).

I could write similar comments re Essendon fans' views on Bradley. Most can't wait to give him away.

Buchanan, on the other hand, finished top 5 in the B&F in a premiership year, was also very good last year and is still only 25. He's our most creative small midfielder, probably the only one who consistently gets in and under clearances other than Kirk. He's had a lousy year by his standards - no doubt largely contributed towards by the knee injury in round 4. But that doesn't mean he's suddenly become an ordinary player.

He's one of my favourites, I admit, but I don't see him as untouchable. I do see him as someone not worth trading just for the sake of trading. If there's something good that we really want and need and Bucky had to be the price, OK I suppose. But I'd hate him to be given away for other clubs' sloppy seconds.

 

[super11]

Isnt it weird that last year and probably early this year, most geelong fans wanted to give Steve Johnson away too, so we see how things can change fairly quickly, cant we? Anyway its all hyperthetical and I was just expressing my opinion to filling our gaps in the team, which IMO are key forward, key back and quick midfielder. Gardiner would be just a by product of getting prismall anyway, who really could be a gun player in the right side. Bradley and McGregor are KPP who I see as fairly "gettable", as I dont believe that M Scarlett and one J Brown, would be on the market anytime soon. (That would be nice thou, wouldnt it!)

 

[liz]

Bradley is not, and never will be, a KPP. McGregor is one but a hot and cold one. Would much rather see Rowe or Grundy or White get that chance instead.

And Prismall would be handy but he's hardly winning the lottery. He's a bit like Schmidt in that he's been on a list for 4 years and has just started to show something at senior level. Most of the excitement is around a couple of games earlier in this season that some thought were worthy of a RS nomination (don't think he got one). He's likely to be a handy player - could become a pretty decent one. But both Paul Bevan and LRT won RS nominations and look where that's got them in terms of glowing praise from the internet world.

 

[xxscubaxx]

He's our most creative small midfielder, probably the only one who consistently gets in and under clearances other than Kirk.

ahh what about jude bolton?

 

[FM0226]

I'll be extremely disappointed if Buchanan is traded. Though he struggled at times this year, thoughout 2005 and 2006, he was perhaps our only player that hits a inside 50 target at a consistent basis. In my view, he was one of the main reasons why we did so well in those two years with his inside/outside capacity that was a really a handful to opposition players. I wouldn't mind the likes of Prismall or even Gardiner our side, but not at the expense of players like Buchanan.

Kepler Bradley is gone. Unless he works his guts off and gets a big motor and becomes a Goodes-type of player, then he has a chance, but he'll never be a KPP. In my view, McGregor will not offer more than what Ted Richards is giving us and I would much rather spend the pick on a young KPP prospect and hope the likes of Jesse White and Grundy to come through than making a trade for a servicable, but unspecticular option like McGregor. McGregor will probably be more useful for the Bulldogs who has lost a lot of experience in the retirements of Darcy, Smith and Grant (? Is he retiring/retired?) in the last few years.

 

[FM0226]

ahh what about jude bolton?

Jude's inside ability had diminish quite a bit (though to be fair, he was put forward a lot), chances are it is because his fingers are giving a lot of trouble and he seem to have a lot of trouble getting clean possessions and trapping the ball these days.

And hence one of the big factors that we struggled with our clearances this year, despite our dominance in the hit-outs and Kirk was our only consistent extractor - Goodes got a few in the second half of the season, but we relied too much on Kirk.

 

[anjing merah]

A player not mentioned in the thread is Luke Vogels. From an outsider he seems the ideal build for CHB, a position he played before being drafted. He appears to be on the outer at the Swans. Perhaps there is a potential swap there.

 

[grimlock]

red dog,

Vogels is too slow to play at CHB.

 

[rancidpants13]

While I actually rate Bevan - think he did a great job on Matera in '05 I agree with everything else. If Sydney were to trade they shouldn't go after duds like Gardiner, Kepler etc. If we were to trade Mcveigh to Essendon because of the brother connection we should chase Ryder or Monfries.

if you, or anyone else, can engineer a trade of mcveigh for paddy ryder, i will gladly back you to be both swans coach and president for life....

 

[RED AND BLACK SOLDIER]

While I actually rate Bevan - think he did a great job on Matera in '05 I agree with everything else. If Sydney were to trade they shouldn't go after duds like Gardiner, Kepler etc. If we were to trade Mcveigh to Essendon because of the brother connection we should chase Ryder or Monfries.

You kidding right? Ryder has the potential to become a star of the competition whilst Monfries has shown great form towards the end of the season and will be a very good player. Why would we give up one of those for just a tagger? That would be like us saying, we'll give you Slattery for Buchanon or Goodes, it's just not going to happen.

Just on Kepler Bradley, did any of you guys realise that he has been moved forward from the backline (where he was terrible,shocking ect) and won the VFL Bombers B+F. He played very well up forward and had quite a few ripper games where he got 25 disposals, 15 marks 3-4 goals from CHF.
He has been playign great football forward and i think that quite a few of you have been judging him by his past performances in the backline where he was horrible and not as a forward, all he needs to get right is his kicking (when passing, not on goal) and motor and he will be a very very good player.

 

[bloods01]

I think we need to bite the bullet as far as trades go for the future. The fact is we have alot of very similar "medium" size players at the club, that while all are good players, I dont think they are going to take us to our next grand final. I have thought about some "possible" trade senerios that I would like others opinion on, they are:

• Jarrod McVeigh to Essendon for Kepler Bradley. I really like McVeigh, but we have alot of similar players coming thru (Laidlaw, Thornton, Brabazon etc), while Bradley I think is much maligned, hes big, young, and IMO would be a good fullback. (Besides he was a sydney fan and Jarrod could play with Mark)
• Amon Buchanan to Geelong for Brent Prismall and Charlie Gardener. Buchanan is a star, but Prismall I see as a perfect replacement for Kirky while Gardiner can give us what we dont have alot of in our forwards, the "X-factor", he can play and only needs regular oppurtunities.
• Nic Fosdike to Adelaide for Ken McGregor. Fossie is a great player, but as above, we have alot of similar guys already. Adelaide want midfielders, fossie is an ex-pat, Mcgregor can cover CHF/CHB at a pinch and he is only 25.

Dont get me wrong, I think all 3 guys have done sydney proud, but maybe we need to make "sacrifices" to move the club forward.

I do agree with your philosophy about looking to improve our list by trading someone who has value on the market. Prismall is an intersting one. He was given Budda Hocking's number 32 and the Cats had high hopes for him. Not sure where they think he's at. He would be an ideal replacement for Kirky. We need an explosive burst player out of the middle though. Not sure Prismall fits that criteria.

We do need to sacrifice something. I think out list needs to be rejuvanted. We've had the same guys hard at it for 4 or so years now. Blood some youth and lets build a team for the future.

 

[super11]

I think that it comes down to either trading Buchanan or J Moore. Both very similar players, the main difference, IMO, is Amon is a forward turned fringe midfielder where as Moore is a midfielder turned fringe forward. Obviously Amon has the runs on the board, but I dont think he is going to get better but I think Moore can only get better. Buchanan has the currancy on the open market and is someone I believe a team like Geelong would seriously consider trading for. Could be a good oppurtunity to fill a few holes with some players who cant squeeze into, IMO, the AFLs most even team.

 

[liz]

I think that it comes down to either trading Buchanan or J Moore. Both very similar players, the main difference, IMO, is Amon is a forward turned fringe midfielder where as Moore is a midfielder turned fringe forward. Obviously Amon has the runs on the board, but I dont think he is going to get better but I think Moore can only get better. Buchanan has the currancy on the open market and is someone I believe a team like Geelong would seriously consider trading for. Could be a good oppurtunity to fill a few holes with some players who cant squeeze into, IMO, the AFLs most even team.

Not sure where the evidence is that Moore "can only get better" while Amon has peaked. And even if Amon has peaked, chances are his remaining footy will be at least as good as anything Moore produces. Which isn't saying that Moore can't or won't become a good footballer - just that after about half a dozen games in three seasons there is no actual evidence yet that he will be.

I have a major issue with trading Buchanan this year, coming off his worst season since he became established. We'd be trading him at the bottom of his value, not at the top. Smart people trade their assets when they think they are close to maximum value, not nearer the bottom of their value.

Over our two GF years, I'd rate him as the 6th best performed (taking consistency into account as well as his best) player in the team - behind just B2, Kirk, O'Keefe, Goodes and Hall. Maybe Kennelly and Leo would be up there on a similar level but I can't think of any others. He is more than a fringe midfielder. He is also one of the best deliverers of the ball into the forward line from short pass - he almost always sets something up.

If he wants to leave, fair enough, but I don't understand people queuing up to trade him, especially for some of the mediocre names being tossed around.

 

[mj23]

We should make a play for John Meeson maybe trade for fosdike

 

[rancidpants13]

We should make a play for John Meeson maybe trade for fosdike

meesen has declared he wants to be traded to melbourne
if no trade can be done, he will go PSD as melbourne have pick 3 and both carlton and richmond have declared they won't touch him
so that's that

 

[Batman]

What about J Moore to the Dogs...what you would be of interest...?

No offence but maybe Eagleton as an outside'ish' finishing type mid with some pace? Gets a regular game as opposed to Moore...but is of course a lot older... Maybe even Sam Power?

You probably aren't going to get a lot for a bloke with a few games in a few yrs...

 

[FM0226]

We should make a play for John Meeson maybe trade for fosdike

I don't mind that at all. While Fosdike has done well for us in the past 5 or so years, we have a bunch of youngsters that plays a similar position coming through (or trying to come through), and he's one of the players that's not an untouchable but with some trade value. I've always been skeptical of his disposals (and that hasn't changed much for the last 3,4 years) and I cringe everytime he tries his around-the-body kicks.

Buchanan, on the other hand, we need to keep. He's one of our few players that can geniunely play inside/outside and when on form, is our most dangerous clearance guy - Kirk is more an extractor that sometimes just throw it onto his boot when Buchanan actually will do something useful by himself. Especially after a poor year when his value has dropped, it will be silly to trade him right now.

 

[FM0226]

What about J Moore to the Dogs...what you would be of interest...?

No offence but maybe Eagleton as an outside'ish' finishing type mid with some pace? Gets a regular game as opposed to Moore...but is of course a lot older... Maybe even Sam Power?

You probably aren't going to get a lot for a bloke with a few games in a few yrs...

No offence taken but no thanks, one of the problems we are facing is an ageing list, someone like Eagleton just adds to the problem.

 

[Batman]

Do I assume the lack of comment on the younger type, Sam Power to be a polite no?

 

[FM0226]

I haven't seen a lot of Sam Power, so...
But judging from what I remember, he's a lanky 190ish player more suited as a back flanker/third tall and we actually have a few of them coming through our ranks, so I'll say no (but that's just me, others may disagree).

 

[mj23]

meesen has declared he wants to be traded to melbourne
if no trade can be done, he will go PSD as melbourne have pick 3 and both carlton and richmond have declared they won't touch him
so that's that

Meeson said he looking for another club didn't he. All that was said was that Melbourne was interested.