The case for change...

[hoggy34]

Despite the optimistic on-field outlook the members have no other choice but to vote out Casey and begin off-field with a fresh start.

I understand that this would result in Miller's departure but judging by the complete lack of diplomacy and professionalism that he has displayed in this campaign I am concerened as to how much influence he would weild at Tigerland in the future. Richmond supporters invest too much hope in Miller, the club will prosper in his absence. You should all remember the old cliche that no individual is bigger than the club.

The financial losses and the adminstrative crises cannot be attributed to on-field performance alone. It is no coincedence that a number of past board memebers have all made similar complaints regarding Casey's attitude to leadership and corporate governance.

For those looking at former players attitudes to influence their vote, you need to look no further than Brendan Gale and Paul Broderick. Both played under the Casey regime and have been employees of the club since their retirement (Gale is a part-time footy role and Brodders in marketing). They would have an intimate understanding of both on and off field affairs.

The past 5 years have been some of the darkest in Richmond history. Casey must bear the responsibilty. It is time to look forward and rebuild the Richmond Football Club.

 

[Punt_Road_Roar]

the only case for change is basically to "punish" Casey for the stuff ups he has done.


for the first time in a long time I have i been excited about our club. The way Miller and Wallace have been working together for the past 3 months has been uplifting.

I want that to continue.

 

[IDGAF]

the only case for change is basically to "punish" Casey for the stuff ups he has done.


for the first time in a long time I have i been excited about our club. The way Miller and Wallace have been working together for the past 3 months has been uplifting.

I want that to continue.

Ditto

 

[Weaver]

the only case for change is basically to "punish" Casey for the stuff ups he has done.

The case for change is to prevent him from continuing to make them.

 

[hotdogandsauce]

why is that people some how forget thet we have been a mess since 76, apart 1980, and 82 (damn stripper) this club has been at death's door a couple of times...

for god's sake this isnt just about the last 5 years, but if you believed the alternative it is....

 

[Punt_Road_Roar]

The case for change is to prevent him from continuing to make them.

wont be no need now that he finally has decent people around him.

 

[scroda]

Richmond supporters invest too much hope in Miller, the club will prosper in his absence. You should all remember the old cliche that no individual is bigger than the club.

hear hear

 

[jezza]

wont be no need now that he finally has decent people around him.

He had good people around him, but he chose to ignore them and try to run the club himself, that's why we're in the current financial mess. Question is, how can he do well at the club in his first few years but then stuff it up completely in his last 2 (especially after promising no loss in 2004)? And does he deserve another go after that performance? Will Greg Miller actually have TOO much control at the club if he and Casey get in, given he overspent by $500k this year in the football department?

Too many questions, not enough answers. I wish more independants were running......

 

[UpTheGuts]

"no need now that he finally has some decent people around him"????

Geeeeezzzzz, sounds like you're equating our president with Ronald Reagan in his last hours - is it too much to ask for a Prez who has some semblance of what to do HIMSELF????

I'm staggered he can visit the urinal without assistance from GM

Re-read your statement - I think you'll find that your comment just shows the regard you hold for our illustrious leader....

 

[Punt_Road_Roar]

upthegutz

I have asked Weaver this question and never got a reply from him about it, I'll ask you the same question seeing how you seem to have all the answers


HOW WILL THE ALTERNATIVE TICKET FIX OUR CURRENT PROBLEM AND HOW WILL THEY GO ABOUT DOING IT?

all I have seen is some glossy brochure huff and puff crap about our past, which breifly gave us what needs to happen, tried tugging our heartstrings by including yesterday heros comments plus some spoilt rotten ex players sons, well how about giving us something regarding how they are going to make it happen?

It's an Election FFS, do we vote a governemnt in if they have no policies for the voters to choose from?

You can carry on about the past 5 years all you bloody well like, I already know what has happened we arent stupid.... time everyone involved with Richmond started looking forward for a change instead always backwards.

even i could say we need to increase blockbuster status and increase onfield performance, but its much more difficult than that, so how is the alternative ticket going to persuade the AFL into changing our draw to include more blockbuster status games? that just one small example !!!!

From what I have seen so far since Wallace joined us that things appear positive at Richmond with Wallace and Miller, that is how I will vote, I'm not going to pick the alternative just because its going to "punish" Casey for being a total numbat.

that is idiotic thinking

So will the alternative give us members something decent to choose from, not just personal attacks?

its an election for crying out loud, also how many times do i have to repeat these questions before i get a decent answer??

 

[silence ofthe Robert]

upthegutz

I have asked Weaver this question and never got a reply from him about it, I'll ask you the same question seeing how you seem to have all the answers


HOW WILL THE ALTERNATIVE TICKET FIX OUR CURRENT PROBLEM AND HOW WILL THEY GO ABOUT DOING IT?

all I have seen is some glossy brochure huff and puff crap about our past, which breifly gave us what needs to happen, tried tugging our heartstrings by including yesterday heros comments plus some spoilt rotten ex players sons, well how about giving us something regarding how they are going to make it happen?

It's an Election FFS, do we vote a governemnt in if they have no policies for the voters to choose from?

You can carry on about the past 5 years all you bloody well like, I already know what has happened we arent stupid.... time everyone involved with Richmond started looking forward for a change instead always backwards.

even i could say we need to increase blockbuster status and increase onfield performance, but its much more difficult than that, so how is the alternative ticket going to persuade the AFL into changing our draw to include more blockbuster status games? that just one small example !!!!

From what I have seen so far since Wallace joined us that things appear positive at Richmond with Wallace and Miller, that is how I will vote, I'm not going to pick the alternative just because its going to "punish" Casey for being a total numbat.

that is idiotic thinking

So will the alternative give us members something decent to choose from, not just personal attacks?

its an election for crying out loud, also how many times do i have to repeat these questions before i get a decent answer??

I'll answer it PRR. If bloke (A) has got my head and is bashing it against the wall and bloke (B) says if I vote for him he'll stop bashing my head against the wall, I'll vote for bloke B.

Simple really!

 

[Calavaray]

the only case for change is basically to "punish" Casey for the stuff ups he has done.


for the first time in a long time I have i been excited about our club. The way Miller and Wallace have been working together for the past 3 months has been uplifting.

I want that to continue.

Lets not get too excited! We managed to draft possibly two of the best young footballers in the country, but that was not Miller's doing, and there is no guarantee that they will stars! It will take them at two to three years to make a name for themselves, as with the other youngsters. In the mean time it will be up to the other players to stand up and be counted. Something they failed to do over the last couple of years. I do not blame Frawley for this, as I think he was a good coach. The fact that the players did not respond to him and the staff is a poor reflection on the side, and also the senior group. We paid a small fortune for Nathan Brown and he has yet to deliver, and there are still many deficiencies in his game and the same can be said for Kane Johnson. Yes, Terry Wallace is our new coach, but that was more Terry's choice than GM. We have Simmons here, but only because we lost possibly the most talented big man in the comp in Ottens. We still have many areas of concern, namely our back line and also the business side of our club. Casey has spent poorly, budgeted poorly and also recruited poorly as well off the field. We have only budgeted to make a $200K loss next year, but if we still struggle on the field, as we probably will, we could still be facing another big loss next season. A vote for Casey is not a vote for stability, as he has done his best to destabilise the club over the last 5 years and succeeded. Like they did at Carlton, maybe it is best to start with a new board and see where it takes us.

 

[Punt_Road_Roar]

I'll answer it PRR. If bloke (A) has got my head and is bashing it against the wall and bloke (B) says if I vote for him he'll stop bashing my head against the wall, I'll vote for bloke B.

Simple really!

LOL

atleast you still have a sense of humour !!

 

[silence ofthe Robert]

LOL

atleast you still have a sense of humour !!

A sense of humour is a mandatory requirement is you support the tiges.

Cheers

 

[whatif]

why is that people some how forget thet we have been a mess since 76, apart 1980, and 82 (damn stripper) this club has been at death's door a couple of times...

for god's sake this isnt just about the last 5 years, but if you believed the alternative it is....

Before Casey took over the club was profitable and had recovered fully after the save our skins campaign and other debacles. We are now back to where we were in the early 90's both on and off the field.

Casey is the prime source of division in the club, he failed to lead and manage his board and failed to administer the club responsibly.

It is not about punishing Casey, it is about making him accountable for the mess he created.

 

[mighty tiges]

This first sentence in the alternative's 12 page brochure just shows why I won't be voting for them.

Just five short years ago, the Club was debt-free with a strong core group of players and the off-field resources to aim for our eleventh Premiership.

Now apart from the debt-free bit which was obviously true, if they truly believe that last bit then they are truly deluded.


1999: No one decent wanted to coach us. Rejected by about 4-5 coaches before ending up with Spud by default.
2004: Land our first choice coach Terry Wallace

1999: Traded away top draft picks for ready made duds (Hilton and Bidders).
2004: Score 5 of the 20 most talented kids in the country. Trade Fiora for Simmonds (still cracks me up that one).

1999: Give our 4 highest profile players $$$ and long contracts to keep them at the club despite us failing to make the finals for the 4th years in a row.
2004: Offloaded non-committed and $$$ chasing players (Waves at Brad).

1999: Up to our 4th coach in 5 years
2004: First new coach in 5 years

1999: Going round in circles employing quick fixes because they penny-pinched and shirked at the tough decisions.
2004 (post Aug): Long-term planning, conservative budget forecasts and a positive direction forward lead by professionals who know what they doing. All the tough decisions have been made.

When will the alternative finally admit we've been crap for the last 20+ years not just the last 5!

 

[Weaver]

1999: No one decent wanted to coach us. Rejected by about 4-5 coaches before ending up with Spud by default.
2004: Land our first choice coach Terry Wallace

1999: No one wanted to coach us because the Casey faction had forced Geischen to be sacked, foolishly approached Sheedy behind Gieschen's back (Sheedy was never going to come and just used us for a better contract) and was refusing to hold off on their challenge to the board.

2004 : Land Terry Wallace in part because the alternative ticket put the club first by holding off their challenge, and issuing a commitment to support whoever the board appointed.

1999: Up to our 4th coach in 5 years
2004: First new coach in 5 years

Danny is a positive now is he

All the tough decisions have been made.

One more to go, we need a new President and a board that functions like a Board.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

1999: No one wanted to coach us because the Casey faction had forced Geischen to be sacked, foolishly approached Sheedy behind Gieschen's back (Sheedy was never going to come and just used us for a better contract) and was refusing to hold off on their challenge to the board.

So whats so different to previous sackings and appointments?the difference to the previous boards till the current one is the current one if they bent over as past admins have we would have sacked spud 12mths ago and be in exactly the same position as when we appointed Spud in the 1st place.

2004 : Land Terry Wallace in part because the alternative ticket put the club first by holding off their challenge, and issuing a commitment to support whoever the board appointed.

Its all to do with smoke and mirrors.you think the alternative would have the nerve to upset the applecart by being the sole reason for not getting Wallace if they forced an EGM?
imagine the backlash.
and now while they still say they value Miller and would be happy to have Miller on board just remember smoke and mirrors.

cheers!

 

[mighty tiges]

1999: No one wanted to coach us because the Casey faction had forced Geischen to be sacked, foolishly approached Sheedy behind Gieschen's back (Sheedy was never going to come and just used us for a better contract) and was refusing to hold off on their challenge to the board.

Strong boards willing to make the hard calls don't cave in to factions. That's the cultural problem at Richmond we've had all these years - influential minority groups (certain coteries) pressurizing and dictating their ways onto the Club (eg: sack the coach). Finally we have people at the Club who stand up to this crap.

2004 : Land Terry Wallace in part because the alternative ticket put the club first by holding off their challenge, and issuing a commitment to support whoever the board appointed.

As t.o.o. said they only held off because of fear of a backlash if they had cost us Wallace. Threatening to force a EGM in the first place while the Club was negotiating with Wallace isn't putting the club first. Ticked off Miller no end.

Danny is a positive now is he

lol Weaver

To attract a top coach we needed to remove the shocking reputation we had of blaming and sacking our coaches for all our ills. If that meant backing a dud like spud to the end of his contract and giving him every resource then so be it. Short term pain for long term gain. First time I've heard a Richmond coach walk away thanking the Club for it's total support in him!

As t.o.o. said sacking Spud would have been a quick fix. We would have ended up with Spud mark II. Problem is the certain coteries and a couple of weak board members wanted us to repeat our past mistakes and because the Club had the nerve to say no to them they have now got their noses out of joint. IMO all this fracas began when certain nobodies with egos cracked the sooks over the correct decision to remove that stupid clause from Frawley's contract.

One more to go, we need a new President and a board that functions like a Board.

Voting back onto the board certain individuals who avoided the tough decisions the last time they were there and go the quick fix by caving into certain influential coterie groups every wish isn't the answer. Surprise surprise the alternative has 80-90% support from these minority groups.

 

[Weaver]

So whats so different to previous sackings and appointments?the difference to the previous boards till the current one is the current one if they bent over as past admins have we would have sacked spud 12mths ago and be in exactly the same position as when we appointed Spud in the 1st place.

Only remiding you of the history. That Casey and his supporters were guilty of exactly the same crimes that you accuse their challengers of. Either both groups should be condemned or both forgiven. Some how you are suggesting that when Casey did it was fine, but when Macek does it is not.

 

[cairo tiger]

we mus t move fwd, the only option is to remove casey has has continually not gained our respect via poor communications, poor decisions and a business plan tha thas capitualted us to a possible save our skins campaign no 2, well i did all that and i am not going back
i do not want this club to be poor again.

 

[1980GFVideo]

What do you if you are not impressed by either group?????

 

[hotdogandsauce]

throw your hands up in the air....

 

[cairo tiger]

a reasonable member aware of the facts will vote for a change for the better, this is what the alternative ticket offers a better plan a better rfc in the future away from finacial ruyin and a probable save the skins campaign no 2

 

[SaveFeriss]

a reasonable member aware of the facts will vote for a change for the better, this is what the alternative ticket offers a better plan a better rfc in the future away from finacial ruyin and a probable save the skins campaign no 2

Didn't work for Latham.