The delisting of Menzel shows what a bad state our game is in

[The Gong]

...not yet...

I'll pay that one

 

[Gazza Greatness]

You'd have to ask your mother

More likely your father but even then he may not know!

 

[Catters 070911]

Rohan isn't a premiership player.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-11-01/discarded-cat-dan-menzel-set-for-swans-medical

Looks like the Swans are officially into Menzel. I recognise his negatives but we could use some of his positives about now. Besides Buddy our forward line this year was full of kids. We could use a reliable goal kicker up front while those kids develop.

Oh, I thought Rohan played in the 2012 flag.

 

[The Gong]

Oh, I thought Rohan played in the 2012 flag.

Nope. He suffered that broken leg in round 4, 2012 so he was out for the season or he probably would have played.

 

[99cents]

The listing of Menzel demonstrates......

 

[The Gong]

The listing of Menzel demonstrates......

......that the Swans have saved football. You're welcome.

 

[Crankyhawk]

The listing of Menzel demonstrates......

Swans gain by getting Menzel and pick 61 for Rohan

 

[Vdubs]

......that the Swans have saved Menzel. You're welcome.

efa.
Fwiw, I hope Swans can win the 19 flag with Menzel and Thurlow involved

I know I'm assuming Geelong won't be there

 

[catpremier 07]

Menzel was one of my favorites, I hope he stays fit and shows his natural football ability. * defensive pressure players

 

[RUNVS]

Menzel was one of my favorites, I hope he stays fit and shows his natural football ability. **** defensive pressure players

A team of the 22 most attacking players in the AFL would probably beat a team of 22 of the most defensive players.

 

[Brutalitops]

A team of the 22 most attacking players in the AFL would probably beat a team of 22 of the most defensive players.

Ironic that the best backmen are attacking in nature and the best forwards are defensive. Probably have qualified with "some of" but this appears to be the general view.

 

[Golumless]

I for one find it rather sad that a player with as much talent as Menzel has gets delisted.

Let’s face it, he is one of the most exciting players with the ball in hand in the competition and was delisted because he doesn’t do what is required of modern day medium to small forwards - tackling and applying pressure.

The Richmond team is a good example of this - a group of forwards who excel at tackling and applying pressure that don’t have a lot of talent.

10-20 years ago Menzel would be an absolute star but these days, there’s no room for talent, just really fit players who can run and chase all day.

There has never been room for talent who aren't putting the required work in to maintain a spot, and doing the basics.

Just the conditions for what is the required work changes.

 

[Golumless]

Luke Hodge wanted to be a midfielder. Being a star is not the name of the game.

In any case, there are plenty of gun forwards out there who don't chase too much, but are still getting games. I think the problem with Dan runs deeper.

There are plenty of them, however none of them are small/medium forwards. A key forward can get away with not chasing providing an offensive output there. A small to mid forward can't get away with not chasing, even if they've had an Eddie Betts like output in his golden years. Defensive pressure after all is built from the small to mid forward position and is becoming more vital (a trend I would be confident in saying it'll always be a thing from herein).

It's pretty much the start and the end of the problem with Dan. He is 20 years too late for a career at this stage, as much as Sydney have deemed him worthy of a 2nd shot (though I'd be surprised if Menzel wasn't delisted at the end of next year).

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

A team of the 22 most attacking players in the AFL would probably beat a team of 22 of the most defensive players.

Define one of each?

Menzel and Stratton?

Stratts easily....

 

[Vdubs]

A team of the 22 most attacking players in the AFL would probably beat a team of 22 of the most defensive players.

Let's see those 2 teams just for the exercise.
ATTACKING-
Do you select your 22 based on the most attacking players in their spots? BP, FB, etc
Or do you just lost the most attacking 22 in the comp.
Ditto DEFENSIVE-

 

[RUNVS]

Let's see those 2 teams just for the exercise.
ATTACKING-
Do you select your 22 based on the most attacking players in their spots? BP, FB, etc
Or do you just lost the most attacking 22 in the comp.
Ditto DEFENSIVE-

Exactly. Find the most attacking players in their individual positions and put them all in a team together, and then find the most defensive players in their individual positions and put them in a team together. I just wonder which team would win.

 

[Young Gun #6]

Exactly. Find the most attacking players in their individual positions and put them all in a team together, and then find the most defensive players in their individual positions and put them in a team together. I just wonder which team would win.

Definitely offensive. Think about the midfield... Danger, Martin etc vs Jacobs, S.Selwood

 

[RUNVS]

Definitely offensive. Think about the midfield... Danger, Martin etc vs Jacobs, S.Selwood

True, but the defense of the attacking team would be unaccountable and when the ball got in the hands of the defensive team (in the attacking teams forward line) the attacking team would not do a good job holding the ball inside the forward 50.

 

[Vdubs]

Definitely offensive. Think about the midfield... Danger, Martin etc vs Jacobs, S.Selwood

How about a real attempt at Attacking BEST 22 v Defensive BEST 22.
It's difficult.
I would not be including SSelwood at present

 

[Grin]

A team of the 22 most attacking players in the AFL would probably beat a team of 22 of the most defensive players.

Does a team of champions beat a champion team?

 

[Andrew Birch]

True, but the defense of the attacking team would be unaccountable and when the ball got in the hands of the defensive team (in the attacking teams forward line) the attacking team would not do a good job holding the ball inside the forward 50.

Are you saying that Danger, Dusty etc are unaccountable/have no defensive game? Because if you are, you are wrong.

 

[Man0gwaR74]

True, but the defense of the attacking team would be unaccountable and when the ball got in the hands of the defensive team (in the attacking teams forward line) the attacking team would not do a good job holding the ball inside the forward 50.

LOL who needs a forward 50 with those types of mids?

 

[PhatBoy]

Define one of each?

Menzel and Stratton?

Stratts easily....

He loses points for that absolute dog s**t that someone frisbeed onto his scalp

 

[RUNVS]

Are you saying that Danger, Dusty etc are unaccountable/have no defensive game? Because if you are, you are wrong.

I was not the one who mentioned Dangerfield and Martin.

 

[tazaa]

Ironic that Swans delist Alex Johnson and Geelong delist Mendel and Swans proceed to pick him up