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Preview The Home Ground Factor in Finals is hugely overrated

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  1. doppleganger

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    And apart from 17-18, the Tigers were never anything special at the G.

    Their record at Etihad from 2010 to 2016 was 45% wins, at the G it was 47%...such a huge MCG advantage.

    Unsurprisingly the Tigers had a better record at Punt Road compared to the G, same with Carlton at PP, Pies at VicPark and Essendon at WindyHill as the clubs actually had a home ground advantage at their traditional homes...despite no travel, or sleeping in hotels.

    But Richmond has a better record both in home and away, and finals at Waverley compared to the G.
     
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    I think the NBA shows the advantage of home finals.

    So often teams win 3-2 or 4-3 after winning all home games.

    Great teams win away, but I think it makes a 5 percent difference .
     
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    No surprises to any one that followed the game long enough to see the ups and downs of form.
    Only the johhny come latelies that only used to protection of home ground to win most of their finals and want a grand final in their protection area , do not get it.
     
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    Thank god we do not follow such a stupid system.
     
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    I know, imagine the top team playing at home more than than the bottom team .

    Just stupid :)
     
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    Exactly. play on the best football ground for the game and bigger crowds, imagine being dumb enough to abandon that for stupid basketball system. We are better than that, one would always hope.
     
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    Yeah GF are definitely more equal, but I still think MCG tenants - Collingwood, Richmond, Hawthorn, have an advantage due to the ground, but still less so than a normal home and away game.
     
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    Yeah let’s play an 82 game H&A season, and then four best of 7 finals series to ensure there is no chance of an upset.

    The best games in the NBA playoffs are game 7s, as they are win or go home...that is all they really should play.

    That is why the NCAA march madness is a much more popular event in the States, a series of individual knock-out games where a 1 seed can have a bad day and be upset by 16 seed...obviously the 1 normally wins, but having higher seeds not get 7 games to eventually progress gives the underdog a chance.
     
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    All football leagues that I am aware of play the GF at the best venue available to that league, whether it be AFL, SANFL, VFL or EFL u15s they are played at venues dictated by the league.

    It is only because a few Perth people get shafted with expensive flights that they are upset...they are the upset regional family who just have to travel further to attend any events that always are organised to benefit the majority
     
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    Yep, in my league I played the finals were played at best venue for league as a whole. Pretty much the standard policy for all our footy leagues across the nation.
     
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    And remains the policy in AFL and all leagues.

    A couple of salty WA fans who can no longer walk to the GF of the competition they follow are now upset.

    They have joined a competition where 16 of the competitions teams are on the other side of the Nullarbor, so now want the GF changed to make it easier for them to get to the game.
     
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    Or just play at the top team home ground.
     
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    3 games gf series equals bigger crowds.

    Someone outside Melbourne may see the game as well .
     
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    And then the teams that play get an even more shortened off season?
     
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    I don’t understand the whining about the MCG advantage in the Brisbane years. In 2001 and 2003 their opponents were the higher qualifying sides anyway. Arguing “but look at the names, vastly superior etc etc” actually undermines the fact that Essendon and Collingwood outperformed Brisbane on the home and away rounds those years anyway. Ironically it was 2002 that had the closest result and the most enthralling game
     
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    I'm a believer in Home Ground advantage (yes, my team benefits at the moment).

    I would be happy if there was some way for the best team to gain home ground advantage for the GF. However, until we get a fair draw, that's moot.
     
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    Might have missed some games but Collingwood have one:

    1994 v West Coast -2 @ WACA
    2002 v Port Adelaide +13 AAMI
    2007 v West Coast +19 Subiaco
    2008 v Adelaide +31 AAMI
    2012 v Sydney -26 ANZ Stadium

    60% away record.
     
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    Stick your basketball ideas where they fit.
     
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    Yep, Pies are 60% in finals outside vic and just 45% at finals at the G.
     
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    The AFL just removed the possibility of a drawn GF and replay.

    None of the key stakeholders want more games, they want every game to actually mean something.

    When the league is talking about reducing the amount of games played, and shortening the length of games...leave it to some Perth wowsers to want playoff series just so they can avoid a flight.
     
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    **** there are some stupid campaigners in this thread
    There are home ground advantages in most sports due to the crowds either influencing umpiring decisions of effecting the confidence of the away side.

    There's no advantage in knowing the ******* conditions at the MCG. What conditions? You get the ball and you kick it inside 50. You think Jeremy McGovern doesn't know where to stand because the grounds 4 metres wider? What a load of horseshit. It's because at one ground He has 50k supporters screaming for him while in Melbourne he has 50.

    On GF day that advantage is gone. Both sides have equal ticket numbers plus about 40k neutral who cheer good footy. There's no advantage.
     
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    Credit to WC coming from interstate to the MCG on GF day and having a red hot go.
    You have to take your chance when it presents ...
     
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    Surely when comparing the number of non Victorian teams that have won a grand final to Victorian teams that have won a grand final, you can't use games where there were two Victoria teams or two non Victorian teams playing each other . In each case there would be no home ground advantage. If you look at this number over the last 16 games, 3 out of 9 grand finals were won by non Victorian teams over the home team. This would suggest that there is a home ground advantage on grand final day
     
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    No, the GF should just rotate venue.
     
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