Mega Thread The Mark Neeld Mega-Thread

[ThePuppetMaster]

There are so many bigger problems at Melbourne than Neeld. Their player development. Their drafting. A culture that apparently doesn't value hard work.

Sacking Neeld doesn't fix these problems in the way that Sanderson and Hinkley provided quick fixes.

But with all that said, the question is a simple one - can Neeld move Melbourne forward?

I'm starting to think the answer is no.

John Worsfold should be high on their hit list already. I think he'd be better for them even than Roos.

Neeld is responsible for this.

Our young players were actually developing under Bailey, it's absolutely revisionist to suggest that Bailey is the root cause of our lack of development.

Trengove and Watts came top 10 in our BnF as 20 year olds in 2011 - Blease, Strauss and Tapscott all played good footy under Bailey around their injuries, Gysberts played good footy, Stef Martin, Moloney, etc, etc.

Our development has gone BACKWARDS under Neeld.

I watched a couple of games from 2011 recently, even our intensity at the ball and around the ground has gone backwards under Neeld! Something that he specifically potted the club and players for.

It's ridiculous.

 

[00Stinger]

Did Neeld have the final say on Grimes and Trengove as captains, or was it the Board pulling on the coach's coat-tails.

Only the playing group pick the captains.

that's what the say, but does anyone really know if all of the players voted for them or not?

However that is only one of the points I put forward in regards to Neelds' major stuff ups in the 18 months.

 

[jj1978]

Firstly who is to say the Neeld is the problem... with the new CEO in, the first thing I'd do is get a 3rd Party assessment of whether this is the coaches fault or not... bring in a Parkin/Walls/Pagan or any other retired successful coach to monitor the coaches during the week and game day for 3-4weeks and provide an assessment.

I would also in conjunction with that get another ex-premiership driven player in like a Carey/Lloyd to monitor the playing group for the same period and make an independant assesment.

It could all be quite simply as the players and coaches not aligned with their thinking or are hearing/seeing things that are not in fact reality and causing problems within their own minds.

Quite frankly instead of trying to fix a lot of things in one hit... fix things one thing at a time and give it appropriate time and you never know by the end of the year things may improve.

 

[Sainter3and7]

I am picking a random time - Thursday at 2.30pm.
That will be the press conference announcing he is gone.
No particular reason for that time - but I think it will be before the weekend.

 

[Big Fozza]

i think Neeld has to go ASAP. something has to change at the club and if he's not effecting the change (which is apparent) then he needs to be the change.

they should appoint Ken Hinkley as head coach... oh wait oops

 

[Jade]

Christ talk about being thrown under a bus.

Poor Neeld is the victim of shit players, shit culture, a shit development program and a whole bunch of administrators with shit for brains.

Bloke was doomed from the get go.

Who in their right mind would take that job?

 

[hotham]

I just heard on SEN that more may be known on the 2:00pm news regarding the Melbourne coaching position.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Christ talk about being thrown under a bus.

Poor Neeld is the victim of shit players, shit culture, a shit development program and a whole bunch of administrators with shit for brains.

Bloke was doomed from the get go.

Who in their right mind would take that job?

You realise Neeld has made the culture shitter, made the players shitter and has sent most of our talent spiraling backwards?

He's no martyr - he's out of his depth and he's caused a lot of problems for this club on field.

 

[Jade]

You realise Neeld has made the culture shitter, made the players shitter and has sent most of our talent spiraling backwards?

He's no martyr - he's out of his depth and he's caused a lot of problems for this club on field.

Honestly, if you are employed, or have been employed in an administrative role with the MFC over the last ten years you are unemployable (at least at the MFC) in my book.

They need a FUNDAMENTAL change; an entire clean out of board and executive. And I wouldn't be going to a Gary Lyon or Todd Viney; stay away from anything remotely related to Melbourne and start again. Melbourne needs to be 'un-Melbourned'.

 

[KrakFiend]

Will be gone this week, rightly or wrongly...

The Gold Coast loss has to be the last straw.

 

[JoondalupJ]

It's not Neeld's fault his players don't give a ****.

maybe they won't play for him. Maybe they aren't up to AFL level. But he needs to step down.
Whether the right thing to do or not, they need a change. Something!

 

[Igloo]

I'm a firm believer in the players taking the majority of the blame, rather than the coach. The coach can't make them put on a shepherd, give chase, etc. Some of the "efforts" the Melbourne players have put in this year have been pathetic.
That said, I think Neeld has to go. There is no respect towards him from the players, he looks like he knows he's gone, and I don't think he has the ability to get them out of this massive slump.

The players, I don't know what should happen with them. They didn't respond to the "tough love" approach Neeld tried when he first got there, and if they're coddled, they might be even softer than they already are.
I think the tough approach is the right one. Make them know if they put in shit efforts, they'll be dropped, and wont be recalled until they dominate the VFL.

 

[hotham]

Brad Scott sticks his head out of the trench. I know he cops it a bit from opposition supporters, I rather that, than what is going on at Melbourne. Melbourne needs to get a coach that can motivate the players.

 

[Gus Poyet]

Ridiculous comment. Melbourne as the original club, with a long and proud history are a vital part of the AFL. Granted the club is toxic at the moment and Neelds position is untenable, but to call for the extinction of another club, shows no football knowledge, history, or common sense.

They aren't anymore relevant that Fitzroy was.

Do they even have a rival? That's how much they mean to other teams.

 

[Beth]

Neeld sadly has to go and more than a few players need to have a damn hard look at themselves in the mirror. The insipidness of some of them is nothing short of disgusting. It doesn't hurt to at least look like you're trying lads, you're not exactly working in a Bangladeshi sweat shop.

 

[Sunshine Saint]

They aren't anymore relevant that Fitzroy was.

Do they even have a rival? That's how much they mean to other teams.

And if this was Carlton that was under threat and in jeopardy of going out, would that be ok too? Don't have to like other clubs, but do have to respect their right to be in the competition.

 

[LeverPuller]

I think the tough approach is the right one. Make them know if they put in shit efforts, they'll be dropped, and wont be recalled until they dominate the VFL.

I reckon you're right. The problem is that whoever does it needs to make sure it stays done. If it means we have the 22 worst players on the list running around because at least they give a shit then I'd be okay with it. You can't go off half-cocked.

 

[checkraiseulite]

His style obviously hasn't worked at Melbourne. You can't build a culture overnight, it has to be grown organically, and that hasn't happened at melbourne. They should be throwing the kitchen sink at Roos.

Neeld came in potting the club and tried to impose himself on the players. They haven't responded and won't play for him. Doesn't help that his recruiting has been worse than voss' and that's truly saying something.

The sooner he gets shown the door the better. Not only is he a crap coach, he's also a 'disciplinarian' douche whose players obviously don't respect him.

 

[JackFlash]

If they sack him now then whoever takes over isn't exactly a caretaker is he? So they would want to get it right and appoint someone with the 2014 season in mind, otherwise just leave until the end of the year!

 

[PTizzle]

Brad Scott sticks his head out of the trench. I know he cops it a bit from opposition supporters, I rather that, than what is going on at Melbourne. Melbourne needs to get a coach that can motivate the players.

What the hell does this have to do with Brad Scott?

 

[lionbear]

I just heard on SEN that more may be known on the 2:00pm news regarding the Melbourne coaching position.

Sounds like just a general update. Don't think anything is going to change.

 

[JackOutback]

And what happens if the players don't like the new coach? More of the same?

Neeld should probably see out his contract, give him time to clear out the deadwood and see if they start to improve next year. Clearouts can't be done in a year and he is only halfway through.

 

[Brown Bottle]

I just heard on SEN that more may be known on the 2:00pm news regarding the Melbourne coaching position.

has the full support of the board

 

[LeverPuller]

If they sack him now then whoever takes over isn't exactly a caretaker is he? So they would want to get it right and appoint someone with the 2014 season in mind, otherwise just leave until the end of the year!

Going to probably be a two-horse race with the Dees and Brisbane. Possibly Hawthorn depending on September - would Clarko be sacked if they don't win the flag? Also possibly West Coast - would they say goodbye to Worsfold?

Just off the top of my head, a list of possibles - primacy given to successful (premiership-winning) AFL coaches:

Not currently working
Matthews
Roos

Currently at a club

Choco Williams
Worsfold (pending this year)
Sheedy
Clarkson (pending this year)

AFL experience but no flags, yet still considered decent:

Ayres
Eade

Untried coaches
Richardson
Burns
Adam Simpson
Leigh Tudor
Nathan Bassett

 

[hotham]

What the hell does this have to do with Brad Scott?

I think that Brad Scott has a strong personality and that Neeld is a stress transmitter There may be some personality factors that are going against Neeld.