Mega Thread The Mark Neeld Mega-Thread

[tunksy]

who is there that actually wants the job? before anything the recruiting department and development coaches have to go.

 

[western royboy]

who is there that actually wants the job? before anything the recruiting department and development coaches have to go.

Gary Ayres would think that Gary Ayres would be worth a call, because Gary Ayres would never say never to Gary Ayres having another crack at it.

 

[tunksy]

Gary Ayres would think that Gary Ayres would be worth a call, because Gary Ayres would never say never to Gary Ayres having another crack at it.

oh no you didnt...

 

[LouisCK]

No offence, but I don't buy that. You hear this every time a coaches head is on the block - 'he has lost the players', they say. Yet losing badly is not evidence of a coach losing his players. Where is the evidence he has lost the players? He hadn't lost them pre-season, a mere two months ago. I've not heard of any serious claim of internal dissent. I agree, if the players are lost to the coach, then he goes. But this call is often bandied about without any base in reality.

Neeld never had the players though. They loved Bailey but hated Schwab, protested in the form of 186, and then the unexpected result was Bailey getting sacked and Schwab getting to appoint Neeld. Neeld came in as a hardass, disrespected the leadership group, and generally got a lot of the senior players offside.

Its a **** up of astronomical proportions. Should have kept Bailey and sacked Shwab, even though my opinion at the time was the opposite.

 

[the_interloper]

This will be the most expected sacking of a footy coach that I can remember.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Gary Ayres would think that Gary Ayres would be worth a call, because Gary Ayres would never say never to Gary Ayres having another crack at it.

Gary Ayres is Bob Dole?

 

[ozzyoslo]

2 weeks ago.....Officially 10 am tuesday morning.

 

[JackOutback]

Melbourne certainly showed some effort at times, but at other times, I saw players making no effort to chase, no effort to tackle. It was embarrassing and Neeld can't be blamed for players half assing it on the field. I'm sure there's plenty of blame to go around overall, but agree with the quote that you either have faith in him to institute his plan, or don't let him go all in with his plan, cutting players etc.

Best comment on talkback...send 'em to Tasmania and call them the Van Demons.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Gary Ayres would think that Gary Ayres would be worth a call, because Gary Ayres would never say never to Gary Ayres having another crack at it.

The thing about Melbourne is they've got the Trengoves and the Daveys and the Jamars and the Frawleys and the Vineys.

 

[western royboy]

Melbourne certainly showed some effort at times, but at other times, I saw players making no effort to chase, no effort to tackle. It was embarrassing and Neeld can't be blamed for players half assing it on the field. I'm sure there's plenty of blame to go around overall, but agree with the quote that you either have faith in him to institute his plan, or don't let him go all in with his plan, cutting players etc.

Best comment on talkback...send 'em to Tasmania and call them the Van Demons.

That was my joke from a few weeks back - The Van Diemans Land Demons!

 

[JackOutback]

That was my joke from a few weeks back - The Van Diemans Land Demons!

Well, some cheeky West Aussie commandeered that joke on talkback this week

 

[bombermick]

Like most, I've thought he has to go, calling him a dud. But, now I'm not so sure, or that it will make any difference. They had a real dip today, yet were still horrible. Their development and skill coaches must be horrible, as their skill level is not far above VFL standard.

With a list that is so poor and with such bad skills, how can he properly assessed?

 

[AsIfYouCare]

who is there that actually wants the job? before anything the recruiting department and development coaches have to go.

Nobody with proven recent coaching ability wants this job. Hence my suggestion that the AFL (not Melbourne) pay 'stupid' money to get a high caliber coach such as Roos or Thompson. Failing that, Bailey or Daniher or almost anyone seems a better bet than Neeld. I can't imagine even one the assistants doing a worse job.

It's no good saying that the players and not the coach are at fault. You can blame players for a short run of poor results, but if the players underperform for a prolonged period then the buck must stop with the coach. It's the coach's job to get the best out of them.

 

[pablo668]

Drop Melbourne from the AFL for the rest of the season. Put Port Melbourne in their place, Gary Ayres and all.
It would at least be interesting.

 

[Nankervis brothers]

Neeld never had the players though. They loved Bailey but hated Schwab, protested in the form of 186, and then the unexpected result was Bailey getting sacked and Schwab getting to appoint Neeld. Neeld came in as a hardass, disrespected the leadership group, and generally got a lot of the senior players offside.

Its a **** up of astronomical proportions. Should have kept Bailey and sacked Shwab, even though my opinion at the time was the opposite.

Interesting, because my opinion at the time was that they should keep Bailey, and I copped some good ol' fashion stick for that opinion too. The whole thing had this feeling of 'if you lose by a record margin of that proportion you have to go'. But why? Who says that is a rule? If I remember right the Dees were still in the finals race, even after the loss. They were inconsistent, and young, but playing some decent footy under Bailey through stretches. I think it was a mistake sacking Bailey in such a knee-jerk way, and I think more time is needed with Neeld before a call is made. Why keep making rash decisions?

 

[Collingwood 4 eternity]

Chk Chk Boom ?

 

[Zod_16]

Not saying Neeld has no blame to shoulder but at some point the playing group have to take responsibility, they are paid a lot of money to do something that everyone would love to do and they treat it with disdain. There is no doubt that many are not up to scratch but players like Sylvia and Davey should be removed from the list and never play afl again. Jack Watts has fallen into the bust category but he really needs to work out what player he is going to be, he's 196cm and 90kg and is running round pretending he's a half back flank. Send him forward or stick him on a man and keep him there, or trade him while he has some value

 

[skilts]

Has there ever been an examination of those who chose to appoint a coach? What a lovely business we are part of, and encourage, nay, demand. They're only (disposable) people.

 

[dropdead1]

I've been a Neeld detractor in the past, but I've suddenly changed my tune. I think he should be allowed to stay the course, at least to the end of this year. Of the 12 new players or so he brought into the club (incl. the ND), 9 of them are at a minimum solid enough players. He definitely mishandled Rivers and Moloney, but all coaches make mistakes. He's also struggling to connect with Watts, but I somehow don't blame him for that. Watts has the potential to be a good player, but he doesn't seem to have the mental hardness to take that next step. I think the Dees have the potential to turn things around fairly quickly, should they be able to get their best players out onto the park.

Anyway, I hope the board gives Neeld their vote of confidence to coach out the season. He's alright by me.

 

[Tippett2Goal]

Just as a curiosity has anyone had a look at the team Melbourne fielded on the weekend, and compared it to their own side.
How many of your best 22 do you think you could take out, and still be competitive against the current Melbourne side and how much of that is purely personnel and something the coach cannot control.

 

[Suspense]

No one in their right mind is going to go anywhere near the place unless the get carte blanche authourity to bring in ther own people and start afresh and get a long term deal. The Board need all there ducks in a row before they get to that point.

not having a go at you, but isn't one of the criticisms of the neeld appointment was that he was given carte blanche? i also don't understand those who say they need a new coach to come in and start cracking skulls and harden them up whilst neeld has been criticised for trying to 'crack skulls' early in his coaching tenure at melbs.

seems to me is that there is no general consensus on the 'correct way' melbourne should have gone about it; the only consensus is they ****ed it up.

 

[dmc333]

Just as a curiosity has anyone had a look at the team Melbourne fielded on the weekend, and compared it to their own side.
How many of your best 22 do you think you could take out, and still be competitive against the current Melbourne side and how much of that is purely personnel and something the coach cannot control.

I don't know if they're that much better than GWS.

 

[Zarrix]

The question which must be asked is whether it is the culture at Melbourne is so bad it is turning players into dunces, or if they have got it so incredibly wrong with the recruiting. Tend to think it is a lot more of a and a tiny bit of b.

 

[PapaJ]

The thing with struggling teams is that players start playing for themselves. It's well known by anybody who's watched AFL enough or been involved at a reasonable level in team sports. It just happens. But the Dees players don't even seem to be doing that, they are just mentally shot and just collectively don't have the talent to boot. That could have a lot or a little to do with the coaches, I don't fully know.

Either way, as soon as the AFL can confirm they'll chip in with some sort of (even more) funding, to cover the debt, they'll have Neeld out of there faster than Chris Connolly can spell out "let's try tanking".

 

[Zarrix]

Only man that could possibly turn them into a competitive unit within a couple of years is Paul Roos. Wish he would take up the job instead of stinking up the commentary box tbh.

Only have to look at what Ross Lyon has done at Freo to see that you can change mentally weak players into fearless warriors with the right people in change