Mega Thread The Mark Neeld Mega-Thread

[PapaJ]

Only man that could possibly turn them into a competitive unit within a couple of years is Paul Roos. Wish he would take up the job instead of stinking up the commentary box tbh.

Only have to look at what Ross Lyon has done at Freo to see that you can change mentally weak players into fearless warriors with the right people in change

I agree, sort of.

Freo had shown some grit and determination before RLyon came though. They had played and won finals two years previous and but for one of the worst injury lists in recent history where Harvey had something like 24 odd fit players to pick from in the last few weeks, would have likely played finals the year before too.

Roos (or someone like him) would have got something going I'm sure, but Melbourne are an all together different kettle of fish at the moment. It would take even a supreme coach a few years to get them looking like an AFL team again.

 

[radiojake]

II meaN, really, even if malthourse, roos and worsfold combined took over melbourne they'd still be battling it out with GWS -

I feel sorry for the guy because he took a hjob that has marked him for life... melboune rfootball club .. a joke..

 

[R00StaR]

II meaN, really, even if malthourse, roos and worsfold combined took over melbourne they'd still be battling it out with GWS -

I feel sorry for the guy because he took a hjob that has marked him for life... melboune rfootball club .. a joke..

Spot on, the media acting like its a done deal makes me sick. Really who are they going to get mid season anyway? If i were Melbourne id stick by Neeld at least until the end of the year and if its still looking no better then do a review and look about. No coach would be doing much better with the list and support network Melb has. Only thing i would say against him is he never seems truely pissed about losing, perhaps he's very realist of where they're at, but it doesnt come across that well to neutrals.

IRC Melb at the time really spend some time in sourcing the right coach, they need to back him in and their longer term plan.

 

[Zarrix]

Craig would coach until the end of the season would be my guess.

 

[I am Jack]

With Cale Morton went any chance of Mark Neeld winning a flag anytime soon.

 

[Zarrix]

Cale Morton would have still been a spud at Melbourne. Under that current set up, I feel sorry for any footballer that goes there. It's like an abattoir for AFL footballers. Jesse Hogan will be the next to be Melbourned. He should just flee to Cuba for a couple of years then return and start his footballing rise again.

 

[R00StaR]

Craig would coach until the end of the season would be my guess.

He'd be a great mid candidate and one that would likely gove it a shot considering he's probably all but no chance of getting a senior gig again.

But what message does Melb send? Perform with the list you have within a couple of years without rebuild time or else. Its a death sentance! Roos wont touch it, he's already balked at it....... and he'll coach again!

For mine Melb will do themselves more harm than good getting rid of him early. He's still early into his job, at least give him the year. But hey what happens happens, i just get sick of the yearly exercise of the media needing to claim its victim. Neeld is a soft target and im not convinced a legitimate one yet..... give him the year at least Melbourne!

 

[I am Jack]

Cale Morton would have still been a spud at Melbourne. Under that current set up, I feel sorry for any footballer that goes there. It's like an abattoir for AFL footballers. Jesse Hogan will be the next to be Melbourned. He should just flee to Cuba for a couple of years then return and start his footballing rise again.

Melbourne desperately miss Morton's hardness at the ball, it's evident.

As for Jesse Hogan, he will be very important for Fremantle going forward.

 

[Zarrix]

The thing I don't like about Neeld is that he seems to show little passion or enthusiasm at press conferences (and that pre game speech was cringeworthy). Not sure what he is like behind closed doors but it is like he takes a large amount of valium tablets before he fronts the media. I just don't get the signs which shows he is a good motivator.

 

[Chewy]

I don't like the way the media are always gunning for the coaches who are under the pump. I find the obsession with "sacking the coach" to be extremely distasteful. However, anyone who thinks Neeld should hold his job are either in denial or they haven't a clue.

Melbourne have talent - i wish people would stop acting as through their players are all uniformly shit. It's not true. The problem is they are rudderless at the moment and they're playing with zero confidence, zero flair and their "system" is just a disaster. It's not going to change. They are broken down unit and they need to be overhauled for repair. The buck stops with the coach. He has created this mess.

Basically, the Dees need to sack their coach ASAP and start interviewing other prospective coaches. They need to replace Neeld with Rawlings in the interim and get what they can out of the reminder of the season and restore some god damn pride. I felt sorry for the passionate Demons fans who turned up yesterday and stuck by their boys. They deserve better than what they're getting.

It's possible that given time, Neeld could find the answers and turn this around. But he has done nothing in the past 18 months which suggests he is capable of doing so. Everything he has done has been a disaster from the first day he stepped into the job. He'll find work again as an assistant and if he ever gets another chance to be an AFL coach, hopefully he will have learned from this experience.

 

[Bluelegs]

Even if you believe we were so shit before he came to us we were still far better than we've performed under Neeld. We had a soft team that won a bunch of games against worse opposition by smashing them with unaccountable fast attacking football. It didn't work against better sides but there were still strengths to a very limited gameplan. Neeld played the list to all their weaknesses in his first year, they became defensive, slow, and they were still soft. Rather than the 'hardest team to play against' I don't even recall being told we were rebuilding until about halfway through the 2012 season it kind of just crept up out of no where as the club accepted they needed a different list to play to Neeld's gameplan, but Neeld got to build his list for 2013 and guess what, we got so, so, so much worse. He's accountable for how shit Melbourne are when the supporters can't expect effort out of their players every week, he's accountable for Melbournes losses when if his players do decided to put in, they still lose by 90 points, he's accountable for Melbourne's losses when he traded away draft picks and players for other players who are substantially worse, he's accountable for Melbourne's losses when his best players leave for free-agency at the end of his first year in tenure due to his complete lack of belief in them.

Face it, the bloke has no idea, his players don't play for him, and his list management is confusing and optimistic at the very best. He may have been some brilliant tactician at Collingwood, but this was on the back of them being drilled by one of the best coaches of the modern era, and having one of the strongest midfield in the comp.

 

[MF]

Should never have sacked Bailey. He wasn't doing that badly given the state of their list at the time. They've only gone backwards under Neeld.

 

[Papa Juggs]

Melbourne should come out and condemn the media.

This is a farce. Everybody knows how bad they are and stories in the media saying he should be sacked are like kicking him while he's down.

Everybody knows the club went through massive trauma with Jim's death and then had one of their top draft picks poached. Just leave them alone FFS.

Any writer to condemn Neeld is a sad individual and sacrificing their reputation for sensationalism

 

[hench]

Reports are saying that it won't be today. But Peter Jackson will be making recommendations to the board for a restructure of the football department.

I don't see how the club can keep this circus going on much longer.

 

[Carlton_Blues]

II meaN, really, even if malthourse, roos and worsfold combined took over melbourne they'd still be battling it out with GWS -

I feel sorry for the guy because he took a hjob that has marked him for life... melboune rfootball club .. a joke..

Would you have taken him ahead of Sanderson? Just sayin'.

 

[Spud Patrol]

Even if you believe we were so shit before he came to us we were still far better than we've performed under Neeld. We had a soft team that won a bunch of games against worse opposition by smashing them with unaccountable fast attacking football. It didn't work against better sides but there were still strengths to a very limited gameplan. Neeld played the list to all their weaknesses in his first year, they became defensive, slow, and they were still soft. Rather than the 'hardest team to play against' I don't even recall being told we were rebuilding until about halfway through the 2012 season it kind of just crept up out of no where as the club accepted they needed a different list to play to Neeld's gameplan, but Neeld got to build his list for 2013 and guess what, we got so, so, so much worse. He's accountable for how shit Melbourne are when the supporters can't expect effort out of their players every week, he's accountable for Melbournes losses when if his players do decided to put in, they still lose by 90 points, he's accountable for Melbourne's losses when he traded away draft picks and players for other players who are substantially worse, he's accountable for Melbourne's losses when his best players leave for free-agency at the end of his first year in tenure due to his complete lack of belief in them.

Face it, the bloke has no idea, his players don't play for him, and his list management is confusing and optimistic at the very best. He may have been some brilliant tactician at Collingwood, but this was on the back of them being drilled by one of the best coaches of the modern era, and having one of the strongest midfield in the comp.

Quoted for truth. Hit the nail on the head.

 

[Jarlcorbz]

And after a 100 point loss to the Hawks (whoa, unexpected right?). Not almost losing to GWS, or losing to GSC, losing to Hawthorn was eye opener, a team which won 8 on the trot before this game.
The media cling on to everything like a fly clings to a big heaping pile of poo. I've been taking all this with a pound of salt.

 

[Slax]

Melbourne should come out and condemn the media.

This is a farce. Everybody knows how bad they are and stories in the media saying he should be sacked are like kicking him while he's down.

Everybody knows the club went through massive trauma with Jim's death and then had one of their top draft picks poached. Just leave them alone FFS.

Any writer to condemn Neeld is a sad individual and sacrificing their reputation for sensationalism

Whilst losing a massive influence on a club like Jim Stynes caused problems, the fact remains that when you look at how the club operated during his reign as President it is clear he was part of the problem not the solution. He did help clean up the off field finances, but didn't help on field.

The problem with Melbourne is that there issues are self inflicted and Neeld has been responsible for a number of them. You have to ask questions when so many senior players have either been delisted or have walked out of the club since his appointment. Whilst they may not of been the best group of senior players going around you still need some bigger bodies and without them you can see what happens.

Neeld is not totally responsible for all teh problems at Melbourne, but he definitely hasn't done anything to take the club forward.

 

[FISTO]

has he been fired yet?

 

[syl]

Someone had a few too many after the renegade footy league matches this weekend???

 

[Hand]

I think he will be, or at least notified that his days are numbered. Is it really fair to sack a coach who is working with a terrible list and minimal backing from the board? I honestly believe Neeld is the right bloke to steer the Dees out of this predicament.. Hawthorn were always going to beat them by a sizeable margin.. If yesterday's result triggers the decision to sack him then Neeld can consider himself hard done by.

 

[the_interloper]

It's a weird situation, all the talk in the media for the last few weeks has been as if he's already gone, like who will coach next, how will the players respond to someone new etc. They might as well arse him now though, I thought losing by under 100 yesterday wasn't a bad result given it was Hawthorn which is bloody strange.

 

[syl]

Won't be. Will be footy department changes for mine though...

 

[BLPC08]

Melbourne should come out and condemn the media.

This is a farce. Everybody knows how bad they are and stories in the media saying he should be sacked are like kicking him while he's down.

Everybody knows the club went through massive trauma with Jim's death and then had one of their top draft picks poached. Just leave them alone FFS.

Any writer to condemn Neeld is a sad individual and sacrificing their reputation for sensationalism

 

[JackFlash]

Of course he is and sacking him won't make a scrap of difference, Melbourne's problems stem from poor recruiting and development that began way before Mark Neeld took over. You need to go back to drafts from 2006 onwards to see just how many errors they have made. The majority of their first round picks haven't really set the world on fire and when you look at who they could've taken then it all becomes very clear. Neeld will get the boot, but his replacement is also walking on hot coals!