The National Draft

[CM Sean]

I wish the draft would hurry up... I'm tired of waiting! lol

 

[Demon 16]

Im hoping for one of Butcher, Talia or Black at pick 11. Panos isnt worth pick 11 imo.

But I do think if one of; Martin, Cunnington, Morabito or Lucas is available we should take them instead.

Pick 18 should just be the best player available imo. Vardy would be nice to add to our ruck stocks.

 

[Demonheart]

Most people have us taking a tall at 11, I'm not so sure and it will obviously depend alot on how the picks pan out. If a mid who we rate falls past the top 10 I wouldn't be surprised it we took him, and then go for a tall at 18.
For instance if someone like Rohan or Lucas doesn't get picked up we would have to be really certain that the KPP is going to make it to pass on that type of talent.
I guess alot depends on what happens with Luke Ball. If he nominates for the psd we can safely use 18 for whoever we want, but if he goes into the November draft and want him we'll have to use it.

 

[easter31]

If Ball goes into the National Draft we don't want him. It means that he is not committed to play with us. If he did he would wait until the PSD.

The more I hear about Ball from St.Kilda supporters the less enthused I am.
He is not quick, can't kick more than 30 metres and has a 28 yr old body.
I just hope we keep looking around for the next Liam Jurrah.

 

[Trav 20]

The more I hear about Ball from St.Kilda supporters the less enthused I am.
He is not quick, can't kick more than 30 metres and has a 28 yr old body.
I just hope we keep looking around for the next Liam Jurrah.

I'd say that many Saints supporters have an axe to grind with Ball because he walked out on the club. He's an All Australian midfielder and Best and Fairest winner. He was never slow before OP took effect and appears to be getting his zip back. He was sensational in the last game he played for the Saints and is still only 25. And I reckon he'll have a point to prove.

He was a kamikaze midfielder in his younger days. He used to get concussed every second week. Has anyone seen McLean go in for the ball with the ferocity of Luke Ball or Michael Voss ?

Ball is being underrated on forums at present. I agree that much depends on his body. It's not unusual for a player in his mid 20's to really get to know his body and how to get the best out of it. But let's not forget that Ball has averaged 20 games per season for the last 7 years.

He'd be a good fit in our midfield. And it's not like he'd have to do it all himself, as Sylvia, Moloney, Davey, and Jones can share the load whilst Scully, Trengove and Grimes come through.

 

[The Dr]

Interesting take on this year's tall forwards, including some I'd never heard of.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/86059/default.aspx

 

[ExTasDeeMan]

Interesting that they say that Panos is first round to rookie...

 

[The Dr]

Interesting that they say that Panos is first round to rookie...

I thought that too. Surely he can't be that hot or cold?

 

[McLean_4_Captain]

Can we please avoid taking a ruckman with pick 11 or 18.

Here's a little bit of research on the kinds of ruckman who have gone around the late first round/early second round mark in recent years

Not that I disagree, I think we should take best available ruckman @ pick 34.

But if you're including pick 11, you missed McEvoy @ pick 9 taken in '07 who St Kilda think will be their ruckman for the next 10 years & Mitch Clark @ pick 9 in '05 who is probably rated the 3rd or 4th best ruckman in the league currently as a 21y.o. My point is they're not all misses, but I agree with the theory they are very hit & miss and they can be found elsewhere. But we definitely need to take a ruckman, i'd say we have to take one @ pick 34.

Ball is being underrated on forums at present. I agree that much depends on his body. It's not unusual for a player in his mid 20's to really get to know his body and how to get the best out of it. But let's not forget that Ball has averaged 20 games per season for the last 7 years.

I Agree, Ball is getting underated quite a lot. People aren't taking into account that Lyon was playing him with pretty limited game time, yet he still managed to average 20+ touches.

He's a very good player & with our position (potentially telling him either go into the PSD or we'll take you at 18, whether we're willing to do that or not) i'll be a bit disapointed if we don't get him unless there's extraordinary circumstances.

 

[dee64]

Interesting that they say that Panos is first round to rookie...

Sounds a bit like David Gourdis (Richmond). Most phantom drafters had him going 1st round, and he slipped to the rookie draft, which appears to be the right selection.

 

[cannons]

Sounds a bit like David Gourdis (Richmond). Most phantom drafters had him going 1st round, and he slipped to the rookie draft, which appears to be the right selection.

He had depression, so I think that played quite a role in terms of where he was selected.

 

[Dez!]

For the love of God please select Aaron Black at #11.

 

[BigSexc]

For the love of God please select Aaron Black at #11.

nah hes a spud, man playing against boys at u18 level, poor mans tommahawk

 

[The Dr]

Jake Carlisle and Benjamin Griffiths are two I haven't heard much about, seem to be good sizes and rated pretty highly. Could they maybe be around at 18 if we went best available at 11?

 

[cannons]

For the love of God please select Aaron Black at #11.

Would prefer Butcher, but Black is the next best option for mine.

Carlisle also good, but has a bit of the no-set-position vibe, and doesn't have the greatest hands in the world.

Panos also looks good, but he's kind of short for a KPF, around Bate's size, and I don't know if he quite has the ability that many suggest he does.

 

[The Professor]

Jake Carlisle and Benjamin Griffiths are two I haven't heard much about, seem to be good sizes and rated pretty highly. Could they maybe be around at 18 if we went best available at 11?

Yes. There's a lot of uncertainty about the talls this year. I like Ben Griffiths game but apparently he's injury prone and has plenty of DNF's already.

 

[Trav 20]

Those advocating Black, and you may well be right, have you seen him play ?

If so where and when ?

 

[davey_magik]

He was a kamikaze midfielder in his younger days. He used to get concussed every second week. Has anyone seen McLean go in for the ball with the ferocity of Luke Ball or Michael Voss ?

Round 1 2007 when he ran back with the flight and Gehrig came the other way.

You're an absolute fool if you think McLean wasn't hard at it.

 

[Dez!]

nah hes a spud, man playing against boys at u18 level, poor mans tommahawk

Please get a clue, you need one.

2nd best KPF in the draft behind Butcher.

 

[Darksidepoints]

Trengove NOT Trengrove.

Sorry, but it #$%^s me up the wall

 

[cannons]

Those advocating Black, and you may well be right, have you seen him play ?

If so where and when ?

Honestly, no. As such, I'm not all that well positioned to comment.

However, from what I have read and heard about him, he seems to be the best of the prospects. Good size, athletic, strong hands, quick of the mark and, going by draft camp results, a good kick and a big Vert. Jump. Having said that, only going from what I've heard second hand, so I can't make a definitive assessment myself on this stuff.

I have also seen Panos and Carlisle in action, and although Carlisle is a pretty exciting talent, I just think Black sounds more suitable.

I have serious question marks over Panos, I just don't know if he's up to it given his athletic abilities and his size.

 

[cannons]

Round 1 2007 when he ran back with the flight and Gehrig came the other way.

You're an absolute fool if you think McLean wasn't hard at it.

In some ways, I agree, but hardness is not something I would immediately associate with his game.

To me, he had the blue-collar perception attached to him due to his never-say-die attitude and work ethic.

To be honest, I didn't think he was particularly hard at it. He was pretty hard, no doubt, but not exceptional in that area.

 

[Trav 20]

Round 1 2007 when he ran back with the flight and Gehrig came the other way.

You're an absolute fool if you think McLean wasn't hard at it.

And you're deluded if you think he's as hard as the Joel Selwoods of this world.

McLean was OK in the hardness stakes, but not great. There are many harder.

 

[davey_magik]

And you're deluded if you think he's as hard as the Joel Selwoods of this world.

McLean was OK in the hardness stakes, but not great. There are many harder.

Tell me why he wasn't as hard as the others.

Please, there isn't a real difference. Some players are hard, some aren't. There isn't really degrees of 'hardness'.

 

[Pykie]

Tell me why he wasn't as hard as the others.

Please, there isn't a real difference. Some players are hard, some aren't. There isn't really degrees of 'hardness'.

Tell that to Glenn Archer.