The Unofficial List Management thread... :-)

[seysearles]

There is nothing official saying that Hartung has been delisted. I would hold on to your horses until something comes from the club before we all start the "good riddance to bad rubbish" comments. I personally would be shocked if Billy was given the flick while we have still have Miles and Vickery on the list on 2yr deals. He's more valuable to the team than both of them. He wouldn't have made a play at Clarko's daughter would he? Ohhh Billy!!

 

[Hodginator]

If this is true, I’m not fused in the slightest and I doubt the club is either. Shopped him around and if we really wanted him to stay, we would have offered him more than 1 year.

Can we have a draft do-over and get Merrett?

 

[Numtums]

Win some lose some Impey >>> Hartung

LOL at what? Monopoly? Xbox? Impey torches the football and it still baffles me the hype surrounding him. (A trait normally important to Clarkson)

Worse players have played more games and stayed on the list longer under Clarko than Billy Hartung.

The kids 22 and deserves a chance. It's crazy we are just willing to throw such untapped talent and pace away when the modern game is about athletes and speed. But seriously, don't go thinking it's Christmas morning over Jarman Impey. A very limited footballer with an upside I'm really not sure is dissimilar to Billy. It's head scratching why we selected him to just replace pace with pace! Why not keep both!

 

[Deleted member 170709]

Personally I like the look of Impey Mitch Smith more than Hartung there.

No standout xfactor traits with hartung but impey has more ceiling to reach if Clarko can get that out of him.

Hartung has had his chances and for mine isn't damaging enough and plays footy like he's on a carousel with benny hill blaring

Should smith go down, maybe jor sicily or a youngster could fill in

Just think impey can be more damaging

 

[threesixpio]

I think Hartung has definitely played some good games.

I do wonder whether some of this is bad timing. Our game plan was all over the shop earlier in the year and Billy looking lost might have had a relationship with our forward setup being pretty crap.

I didn't see enough games live this year which I intend to rectify next year. That's the only way to get a sense of decent running patterns.

 

[Furn2]

I don't think he has to go through the draft, think there is a first in best dressed time period to pick up DFA like when we picked up Jono Simpkin.
Some timeframe around first lodgment of delistings prior to draft.

If we offered him a contract then he isn't a DFA.

 

[houdinihuddo]

Spot on OA, our forward set up was non existent and the fact that we often had no players forward of the ball caused major problems especially for Hartung. Also Brand really struggled when Hodge was not around to direct him and/or provide an option.

 

[Dank You Steven]

Thank goodness.

If Ablett had 20% less ability and 20% more team orientation he would have helped his team to win flags, instead of being runner ups and a window winder.

Hawthorn would have not won flags if he'd stayed.

He would have been mighty handy in 87 when Dunstall went down!

 

[MrPremiership]

If we offered him a contract then he isn't a DFA.

He'd then be a PSD

 

[MrPremiership]

If you're delisting Hartung, then you'd think all of JOR, Willsmore, Stewart and Heatherley would count themselves VERY VERY lucky if they got new contracts.

 

[Dewnior]

If a team has encouraged him to walk rather than trade for him or take him as a FA so we'd get compo, this stinks to all hell.

It's not like we haven't done the same before. Pretty sure Henderson was in the same situation last year.

 

[Dewnior]

We butchered the Hartung selection considering he was an early 2nd rounder.

Technically, we butchered a first round pick. We traded the Buddy compo pick 19 for pick 24 (Hartung) and pick 59 which we used to upgrade Ceglar. Effectively it was a double whammy.

I'm sure we would have taken Impey in the draft if we kept pick 19.

 

[KermitJagger]

Technically, we butchered a first round pick. We traded the Buddy compo pick 19 for pick 24 (Hartung) and pick 59 which we used to upgrade Ceglar. Effectively it was a double whammy.

I'm sure we would have taken Impey in the draft if we kept pick 19.

Not sold, apparently we were most interested in Crouch.

 

[dermott]

Technically, we butchered a first round pick. We traded the Buddy compo pick 19 for pick 24 (Hartung) and pick 59 which we used to upgrade Ceglar. Effectively it was a double whammy.

I'm sure we would have taken Impey in the draft if we kept pick 19.

It was a bit more complicated than that. In effect we traded picks18,19 and Savage for McEvoy, pick 24 and pick 59.

 

[eldorado]

Just to clarify, you do not become a DFA if you refuse a contract.

Otherwise, there would be no need to have a trade week for any uncontracted player; they could just refuse the deal their own club offers, and then go to any club they want as a DFA.

If Hawthorn want to do him a favour, they can delist him.

Otherwise, they say they havent agreed to terms, he has rejected the deal, and he can nominate for the draft

EDIT: I should have read more of the thread before replying, others have already said this

 

[caseman2]

LOL at what? Monopoly? Xbox? Impey torches the football and it still baffles me the hype surrounding him. (A trait normally important to Clarkson)

Worse players have played more games and stayed on the list longer under Clarko than Billy Hartung.

The kids 22 and deserves a chance. It's crazy we are just willing to throw such untapped talent and pace away when the modern game is about athletes and speed. But seriously, don't go thinking it's Christmas morning over Jarman Impey. A very limited footballer with an upside I'm really not sure is dissimilar to Billy. It's head scratching why we selected him to just replace pace with pace! Why not keep both!

I certainly hope you are being facetious......"untapped talent"??? Pls!!! You must be watching different games to the other 70k paid up members!
Agreed he has some ability and strengths but "untapped talent" - spare me!

As for deserves a chance? He has had 65 of them and if the club is still willing to delist him, i'm happy to back the coaches and recruiting staff in and let him go. Heck, we never gave Buddy a counter offer and let him go the Swans offer and things worked out ok - and Billy isn't worthy of tying Buddy's laces!

 

[beta_condition]

As for deserves a chance? He has had 65 of them and if the club is still willing to delist him, i'm happy to back the coaches and recruiting staff in and let him go. Heck, we never gave Buddy a counter offer and let him go the Swans offer and things worked out ok - and Billy isn't worthy of tying Buddy's laces!

He deserves more then Miles, Willsmore, Whitecross, Vickery, Heatherley and Stewart who all are on our list for next year.

 

[Suntory Boss Coffee]

needs to stop smoking darts

 

[tige19]

You're severely overrating everyone else's list honestly.

Richmond won a premiership with Broad, Castagna, Butler, Townsend...

So what? We won a premiership with Gilham/Bailey/Doc/Spangher/Simpkin etc etc. Everyone has a role to play, I'm simply not unequivocally biased like some.

 

[tige19]

If that Richmond team won the flag, why can't we? The gap between us and the top teams are not as big as you think tige.

No, I agree, I don't think the gap is huge. I still think the gap is big enough that it will stop us from having a legitimate swing at the stumps, finals though is a real possibility.

 

[A Cut Above]

We traded Ablett?

Menegola left for more opportunities at Freo and failed to get them.

You smell like a troll.

Just on the subject of Ablett senior in case this likely-Geelong-troll should still be around or others happened to be reading this thread, Hawthorn banked four flags after he left while he retired with a big fat zero - which is coincidentally also the number of regrets most of us have that he was told to leave.

 

[Billyc]

O'Rourke has accepted a 1 year deal.

 

[Glacier]

Thoughts on Crameri ?

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

There is nothing official saying that Hartung has been delisted. I would hold on to your horses until something comes from the club before we all start the "good riddance to bad rubbish" comments. I personally would be shocked if Billy was given the flick while we have still have Miles and Vickery on the list on 2yr deals. He's more valuable to the team than both of them. He wouldn't have made a play at Clarko's daughter would he? Ohhh Billy!!

Perhaps Billy is potentially being delisted because the club put a 2 year $275k a year deal in front of him and he would not sign it, hence the club has no choice but to delist him, since it does not feel he is worth more than that...

Just sayin'...

 

[Hawk Dork]

Thoughts on Crameri ?

no