Scodog10
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I’ve never bought the s**t team narrative. It didn’t have any impact on Hogan or Reiwoldt x2. Lynch’s slowish start was more due to the late growth spurt, IMO.
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I’ve never bought the s**t team narrative. It didn’t have any impact on Hogan or Reiwoldt x2. Lynch’s slowish start was more due to the late growth spurt, IMO.
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reckon the players would take ~ $5k hit ea off their gross salary = ~ $200 k to kick start the fix to the ground
post tax not a huge amount ..... 1 x smashed avo on multigrain / day
benefits - not training on granite; fewer injuries; better team performance; less time in rehab; fewer long haul flights to Munich etc
just saying....
Mate, you keep banging on about the training ground being responsible for our injuries. Do you know for a fact that it’s the issue?
Also, do you think the club would let the players continue to train on it if they were advised it’s the problem?
I don’t know if it is or isn’t the issue. However, I’d be surprised if the club hadn’t already had those with the most suitable qualifications test the surface and come back with their opinion on it. If the recommendation was to re-surface and the club has done nothing about, you would need to question them.
However, you seem to be full of contradictions. You were attacking those who suggested it was time for someone like Eddie to hand over the reigns because he is doing a great job, yet you are wanting answers as to why the club hasn’t changed the surface because in your opinion that is the only reason why our players are always injured.
Their 1st year numbers were almost identical, Lynch ave 2 more disposals and played 4 more games.
Tom Lynch and Darcy Moore AFL Stats Comparison
Tom Lynch and Darcy Moore AFL Stats Comparison.
www.footywire.com
Their 2nd year both played 17 games, Lynch had higher disp 1 more mark per game but less ave goals, less shots on goal, less in50 marks, less inside 50s and lower DE then Moore.
Tom Lynch and Darcy Moore AFL Stats Comparison
Tom Lynch and Darcy Moore AFL Stats Comparison.
www.footywire.com
Year 3 all Moores numbers were trending up, Lynch had injury year playing 8 games but in those was statistically6 inferior to Moores averages.
Tom Lynch and Darcy Moore AFL Stats Comparison
Tom Lynch and Darcy Moore AFL Stats Comparison.
www.footywire.com
He then got moved to defence.
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Haha you cracked me up forming a mental image of a 200cm Rich with his current T-Rex arms - there's my Saturday funny right there...
I agree to a certain extent that height isn't always relevant and indeed the Richmond backline isn't overly tall, but I'm a bit old fashioned in sticking to the adage that tall players don't get any shorter as the game wears on so that extra bit of height probably still helps a a bit.
This would have to be the most inadvertantly appropriate misspelling in history
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Rory Lobb has super long arms
Its a documented result there is no "MAY" about it. Not sure how you can agree or not agree with a fact?
Just because he didn't make the top 10 in a year where there were a lot of very good beep results doesn't stop him from running a 14.1.
He is an elite all round athlete.
Moore could be an elite forward, no doubt, guy could be anything if we can get the continuity in him.
Lol So did we!
In Moores time fwd, WE WERE A s**t SIDE with bottom 4 and 6 finishes every year he was in the forward line. We also ranked dead last or 2nd last in these important areas, inside forward 50 retention, inside 50s and goals from rebound 50s.
Also Moore had no support up fwd, Lynch also had Day, Dixon and others with Gablett having 30 -50 odd disposals a game.
Thats just rubbish. Playing as a defender is equally explosive because the fwd dictates when to lead, the defender needs to not only keep pace but also match up the lag time.
Majority of his hamstrings have been done in defence btw. Same with Reid they moved him out of defence in a bid to stop the soft tissue injuries. Fact is there is no place on the field that will protect a player from 100% maximum efforts.
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It's just a fact of most KPF's in general. They "generally" take longer then mids to impact regularly and find consistency.
WC Josh Kennedy was considered an overweight spud at Carlton eventually after 4-5 or so years in the system became an elite tall who went on to be a multi coleman winner. There are a lot of similar KPF stories many look at a 5-10 year KPF and forget where that player was at in years 1-3.
Buddy, Lockett, Hogan etc were exceptions not the norm.
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I tend to agree. I think Howe and Moore are pretty like for like as defenders, same strengths same strength in a one on one weakness. But i do tjink Moore is going to be a much better defence than forward.
I would have another look at Moore as a forward though, but frankly with JDG and Stephenson I'm not convinced that we need to add a gun KPF.
LOL We did not play finals but to equate those three years for us with the first three years of the Suns is just laughable. They were a team of kids getting their arses spanked every week. Moore’s record should be considerably better than Lynch’s.
Not only did we not play finals but we were a legitimate bottom 4 to 6 team with many bottom 2 indicators of which some even GC were better then us at the time.
A poor team is a poor team, you act like we are a top team or even middling side through that period when we weren't. We were very poor offensively in forward 50 connection and ball movement. Structurally poor in regards to KPF for support and also going through our own rebuild of "kids" at the time.
Fwiw GC won 8 games in Lynchs 3rd season and 10 the following year. 3 in his first 2.
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sr36
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Plus ladder position is far from everything when judging how many goals to expect from a KPF. We regularly played a couple of extra mids in those years and often had four forwards competing against 7 defenders.
That said, I'd be having a look at Moore forward again at some stage, but I'd be planning around him being a defender. I certainly would not make any future decisions around the idea of Moore becoming a forward, because he looks much more likely in defence.
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actually it's inadvertent - but I can see it was an inadvertent typo
If it happens you need to allow him time to adjust again none of this 1 or 2 games and panick back to defence s**t. Players need consistency in the role to perform to optimum and adjust to the team around them.
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Yes, but as supporters what we often forget is that clubs don't just go by performance in games to judge a bloke's suitability for different roles. They also get a truckload of information from training.
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Looking at our list profile, I’d say that several things need to happen in the next 12-24 months assuming we don’t have the cap space to chase a gun key forward, and they’re dependant on each other:
1. Keane and Kelly both need to develop as AFL quality key defenders. Roughead and Moore are both great options, but Roughy is approaching 30 and Moore also remains our best key forward option. Murphy could also potentially cover a key defensive role if he’s reached 193cm or more. He’s actually my pick of the bunch because of his attack on the footy and his beautiful field kicking.
2. If two of those 3 can slot in to KPD roles then Moore can be moved forward. He can play Cox’s role but be better in every way and with Cox pushing 30 and not seeming to be improving anymore, it’s time to look at other options. Think a fit Joe Daniher and that’s what you’d get with Darcy forward now that he’s grown in to his body and is more experienced at the level.
3. One of Wilson or Tohill needs to develop in to an AFL standard forward. Wilson is the one I’m bullish on here. He showed some real glimpses last year with no preseason after several years out of the game. We know he’s got the work ethic too, because you don’t get selected as a Boomer if you’re a slacker.
4. If one of Wilson or Tohill can push in to the forward line it releases JDG to play more minutes in the middle. This will become more and more necessary in the future, with Pendles approaching his mid thirties and possibly being moved to a wing or less physical role in the future. Yes, we have Sier and Wills, but neither of them are currently even close to being in Jordy’s league in the middle.
There are several more things that need to go right including nailing draft picks and natural progression from our kids, but if we want to keep our window open for as long as possible then the changes/development of our spine are crucial imo, and all of it is very achievable.
sr36
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I actually think you could move Moore forward now without needing those things to go right, but I rate Howe's ability to play kpd 2 much higher than most people do. The issue is that I'm not convinced that Moore will be a top forward, whereas I'm convinced that he will be a sensational defender.
On a side note Carlton delist their mid season recruit. What a waste of a blokes time. ******* rabble of a club, as if they are going to be moving up the ladder with SOS still calling the shots.
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