Troy Broadbridge Missing

[rizzo]

No, that would be "You're a *************"

I take it you're a Christian.

No im not actually. Never been to church in about 10years. I just dont think this is the place to:
A) Have a go at someone who beleives in god. Even if you dont beleive.
B) Have an arguement about whether God is true or not, Think this have been covered in the General Board

 

[JeffDunne]

No im not actually. Never been to church in about 10years. I just dont think this is the place to:
A) Have a go at someone who beleives in god. Even if you dont beleive.
B) Have an arguement about whether God is true or not, Think this have been covered in the General Board

Why is it that we must always take into account the sensitivities of people of faith? I'm offended by people who think praying will help - because indirectly they are saying events like this are being dictated by someone or something. They are placing an agenda on it that need not exist.

Everyone thinks it's a tragedy. One death is. Tens of thousands is mind-boggling. To attribute this to faith or part of some grand plan, however flippant, is just downright offensive to people like myself.

How can people not be angry with this? Angry at their faith, their governments and themselves? As a species, we spend trillions of dollars on ways to create death. We applaud and elect leaders that have no vision for humanity. We marvel at the ability to move hundreds of thousands of troops and equipment to the other side of the globe to invade a country in days. But we don't demand from our leaders even a fraction of that money or technology for the relief efforts in disasters such as this. I know it’s easy to be wise in hindsight and that it’s impossible to foresee every disaster, but it’s our reaction and the lack of preparedness of the International community that is what we should all be angry at.

And really, do most in this country care about the tens of thousands of Asians killed in this disaster? We didn’t care about Aceh and it’s suffering before this tragedy. Did we care that on a daily basis innocent civilians were slaughtered only a short distance from our shores? Even worse, had these people fled the oppression and landed here, we wouldn’t have shown them any compassion and treated them like criminals. Did we demand from our leaders an explanation of why we have troops in Iraq and Afghanistan to save people from oppression but do nothing about this slaughter? No, we didn’t give a stuff and neither do we now.

So please excuse me if I puke every time I here an Australian “pray” for the lives lost in this tragedy.

 

[morgoth]

The Phi Phi Islands are such a low lying group of islands especially where the resorts are so it would have been hit hard. I have read lots about swimming etc, from what I can gather it is the debris in the water that are the problem as people bang into cars, furniture etc and get kncocked out.

Short of a miracle is looks pretty grim, terrible bloody news for all people affected.

 

[Effes]

Well said JD

 

[Funkalicous]

Praying is about as useful as crossing your fingers. If you really want to help, give a donation.

 

[shacka]

Why is it that we must always take into account the sensitivities of people of faith? I'm offended by people who think praying will help - because indirectly they are saying events like this are being dictated by someone or something. They are placing an agenda on it that need not exist...To attribute this to faith or part of some grand plan, however flippant, is just downright offensive to people like myself...So please excuse me if I puke every time I here an Australian “pray” for the lives lost in this tragedy.

It's pretty two faced to assert that you shouldn't have to "take into account" other people's faiths and at the same time suggest they're insulting your lack of faith and they should keep quiet on such issues. You're talking like you're above religion, which is the height of disrespect.

At the end of the day everyone's heart should go out to those caught up in this natural disaster (that's what people are doing on this board), to some people that involves a sense of God, to others it doesn't. Who cares how we express our sorrow at this, as long as we do it, and are authentic in the process.

 

[wells is god]

Re: Troy Broadbridge

i'm sure i'm speaking on behalf of all NM supporters, when i say our prayers and thoughts are with Troy's family, friends, and the Melbourne football club[/QUOTE

Ditto exactly.

 

[skipper kelly]

Why etc...

relax man

 

[Sheeds]

Yeah the channel 9 news update had a photo of Troy under Australian confirmed deaths, along with another 7 images.

Im fairly certain the photo was Troy Broadbridge.

 

[Funkalicous]

On the channel 9 news updates, they have confirmed 8 deaths, and I think I saw Troy's photo in the 8 images on screen.

Stop right there mate!

Too much of this crap has been going on lately.

 

[Bakes]

Re: Troy Broadbridge

Its more than football.....its people......Australians, Englishman, Kiwis, Sri Lankas, Thia's, Indians.......its everyone. And its bloody bloody sad

We are Australians.....we pull together, we put difference aside when it counts, and thats why no matter whom it is....from what walk of life....it hurts, it really hurts that so many people are involved!!

I cant agree with you more.

Why do we have typing monkeys on BF that continue to devide everything, when it should be this that makes everyone the same. Forget nationality, race, culture, religion, sex, football, this is a disaster on humanity.
I cant stand people who feel a need of self righteousness and place themselves in a false sense of importance and say "on behalf of all Collingwood supporters" or "I am sure all essendon supporters", sydney, bulldogs, there is a long list.
Speak for yourself and no-one else.
Everyone has a medium to display thier grief, sorrow, or even happiness when someone is found safe and well. Others dont need to speek for them, especially when it is something of this magnitude

I wish everyone involved the best in the coming weeks and months as the tragedy unfolds.

 

[JeffDunne]

It's pretty two faced to assert that you shouldn't have to "take into account" other people's faiths and at the same time suggest they're insulting your lack of faith and they should keep quiet on such issues.

Not at all.

You're talking like you're above religion, which is the height of disrespect.

I'm placing the rights of human beings above mythology?

Guilty as charged.

At the end of the day everyone's heart should go out to those caught up in this natural disaster (that's what people are doing on this board), to some people that involves a sense of God, to others it doesn't. Who cares how we express our sorrow at this, as long as we do it, and are authentic in the process.

You have no right to place an agenda on this to people who don't share your faith. If that's how you deal with it, fine. Go to church or wherever it is you go and pray. But in my eyes, praying that God will take pity on their souls, while believing all the time that the very same God didn't prevent this as part of some greater “good”, is so moronically simplistic that it offends some people (like myself) who don't share your faith. And just to really make me sick, I know that deep down, most people of your "faith” will believe these heathens are condemned to rot in hell.

So again, excuse me if I puke when I hear people "pray" for those suffering.


What is happening to Troy and his family is a tragedy. For someone so young with so much to live for to be caught up in such a random act, it must be hard for them to come to grips with it all. If faith is one way they deal with it or not, then it is not your, mine or anybody else's business.

 

[shacka]

Not at all.

I'm placing the rights of human beings above mythology?

You have no right to place an agenda on this to people who don't share your faith. If that's how you deal with it, fine. Go to church or wherever it is you go and pray. But in my eyes, praying that God will take pity on their souls, while believing all the time that the very same God didn't prevent this as part of some greater “good”, is so moronically simplistic that it offends some people (like myself) who don't share your faith. And just to really make me sick, I know that deep down, most people of your "faith” will believe these heathens are condemned to rot in hell.

Did you read my post? I suggest you read things twice before you reply to them. I have neve attended church (outside of weddings and funerals), so don't say "your faith" because that's not the issue here. Furthermore i'm saying everyone has the right to respond to this in their own way, just because you don't agree that prayer will help doesn't mean you have to be disprespectful and say that makes you want to throw up. Your being grossly intolerant.

To suggest that if God is good then he would have stopped this from happening can be considered the "mornonically simplistic" view. Have you read much theology? philosophy of religion? do you understand faith? No, you don't, therefore shut up and keep your ignorant, disrespectful opinions to yourself.

 

[Howie]

I've posted the following because it confirms 8 Australians are dead, but that Broadbridge is still missing. In contradiction to those saying they saw his photo on channel 9.

Not sure of the time this was written - may be old (last night's) news.
Read as it suits.

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FROM THEAGE.COM.AU

The Federal Government last night warned the nation to prepare for a high Australian death toll in the Indian Ocean tsunami disaster, as the number of confirmed Australian fatalities climbed to eight, with grave fears held for at least 10 more.

The warning came as Australia boosted its commitment to the international relief operation and the Government defended itself against criticism that its response to the crisis had been slow.

Foreign Minister Alexander Downer said more than 7000 Australians were known to have been in parts of Asia hit by the tsunami on Sunday and many had not been accounted for.

"Our concerns still run very deeply for many Australians and I think the community should be prepared for a relatively high death toll," Mr Downer said.

Prime Minister John Howard also said he had "grave fears" that the number of Australian deaths would rise.

Seven Australians were swept to their deaths from beach resorts in southern Thailand, and a man with dual citizenship of Sri Lanka and Australia died in Sri Lanka, a Department of Foreign Affairs spokeswoman said.


Ten Australians were still listed as missing last night by the department, including seven in Thailand, two in Sri Lanka and one on the Nicobar Islands.

A further 20 Australians were in hospitals in Thailand, Sri Lanka and India. Among the missing is Melbourne AFL player Troy Broadbridge, who was swept away from his wife as they walked on a beach at the Thai resort of Phi Phi.

The Australians confirmed killed included three children - six-month-old Melina Heppell of Perth, 16-year-old Paul Giardina of Melbourne and a three-year-old boy from NSW. Three men from Queensland and an elderly woman from Western Australia also died.

There was some good news last night when Melbourne man Bill Stahmer, feared dead in Phuket, called home safe and well.

Mr Stahmer's son Matt said he had begun to fear the worst after hearing no word of his father for 24 hours, and was preparing to fly to Phuket to search for him when he called. "He's a survivor," Matt Stahmer said. "It's a huge relief."

Australia stepped up its contribution to the international aid effort yesterday, with a team of forensic experts sent to fulfil a special request from Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra for help in identifying victims.

Four specialist medical teams have also been assembled by the federal and state governments. The teams - which include surgeons, physicians, nurses and trauma counsellors - could be sent anywhere in the region on request, Mr Howard said last night.

He rejected criticisms that Australian authorities had been slow to respond to the crisis, saying: "I think they have responded magnificently. I think in a situation like this, there will be some criticisms."

Mr Howard also said Australia's initial $10 million financial contribution to the disaster relief would be "added to significantly", while Mr Downer said about 100 Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade staff had been recalled from leave to help trace the dead and injured.

Meanwhile, Australia will push for a tsunami warning system for the Indian Ocean region. Mr Downer said a co-ordinated alert could help avert another disaster, and Australia would be contacting other countries about the idea when the massive relief effort was over.

A system that taps into the expertise of earthquake monitors Geoscience Australia already exists in the Pacific Ocean and includes countries such as Chile, the US and Japan.

The move came as geologists warned that the Australian eastern seaboard and Western Australia were at risk of tsunamis.

University of Wollongong academic Ted Bryant said the Alpine Fault in New Zealand, where the Australian and Pacific tectonic plates intersected, could generate tsunamis that might hit Australia's eastern seaboard.

Australia has previously been hit by minor tsunamis, including a one-metre high wave in Sydney generated by the 1960 Chilean earthquake.

- with Stephen Cauchi, AAP

 

[portentous]

Some people here are displaying a disturbing lack of empathy and compassion. It's not the time nor the place for personal vendettas and agendas folks. Whether you beleive in "god" or not, the issue is the grief and pain being felt by those affected......Get over yourselves.

 

[JeffDunne]

Did you read my post? I suggest you read things twice before you reply to them. I have neve attended church (outside of weddings and funerals), so don't say "your faith" because that's not the issue here. Furthermore i'm saying everyone has the right to respond to this in their own way, just because you don't agree that prayer will help doesn't mean you have to be disprespectful and say that makes you want to throw up. Your being grossly intolerant.

Yes I did read it. And yes I'm intolerant.

I'm well and truly sick of the subversive God speak that's come into the Australian vernacular.

To suggest that if God is good then he would have stopped this from happening can be considered the "mornonically simplistic" view. Have you read much theology? philosophy of religion? do you understand faith? No, you don't, therefore shut up and keep your ignorant, disrespectful opinions to yourself.

Propably have read more than most that go around praying for people.

Sounds to me you're the intolerant one.

 

[The Fireman]

Churches are nice to look at, time to take this argument to a religious forum.

 

[celtic_pride]

Re: Troy Broadbridge

Way to keep a positive attitude, Iam sure everyone had the same thoughts going through their own minds, but some how at a time like this no one would have wanted to put it into words. Do you have any sensitivity in your body TP?

Oh for God's sake, he is an realist.
I hope good news turns out as well and I'm praying for him and his family, but my gut feeling is that he is probably gone.
This tragedy has already taken more than 20,000 lives, and oh god it is very sad news, but the reality is that the longer he is missing, the likelyhood sadly is that he is dead.
That is not being insensitive, but being realistic.

 

[UpsideOut]

For goodness sake, this is not the time to be arguing. I respect everyones right to air their opinions and their willingness to get their point across, but in the wake of a disaster such as this do you think we could just let it go for now?

I don't claim to know Troy and nor do I claim to have any affiliation with the Melbourne Football Club. With the death toll climbing by the day I can honestly say that I don't have much hope left, although I do have some. Call me a heartless bitch, thats your opinion, but its ridiculously impossible for everyone to live in hope all the time.

With that said I hope we recieve some news soon.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Yeah the channel 9 news update had a photo of Troy under Australian confirmed deaths, along with another 7 images.

Im fairly certain the photo was Troy Broadbridge.

the 8th confirmed death of an Aussie was a 59yr old Queensland man.

 

[Thrawn]

Very sad news, I hope he is found alive and well. As for Houlihan and Clarke, is it even official? I doubt it as I haven't even heard about it on the news.

Some perspective here; some people here seem more saddened and more alerted to a missing footballer than that of thousands of other people native to those regions that have died. The media has put too much emphasis on Broadbridge and whilst I am saddened by his disappearance and hope he is well, he is only but one person. How is he more important or more significant than, say, any individual out of the thousands that have drowned?

IMHO, to be fair to the other people that have died, Broadbridge does not deserve any more attention than the other Australians who are missing or dead, hell, even than the 20,000+ who have perished. I know some of you might say that I am cold hearted or whatever, but doesn't 13 pages on a single person vs 8 on an entire disaster where 20,000+ have died say something? I reckon the threads should be merged. I too would say the same for any other footballer, celebrity or politican.

 

[campbell]

the 8th confirmed death of an Aussie was a 59yr old Queensland man.

We saw that, and they had Troy Broadbridges photo as being one of the deceased.

 

[ClintEastwood]

IMHO, to be fair to the other people that have died, Broadbridge does not deserve any more attention than the other Australians who are missing or dead, hell, even than the 20,000+ who have perished.

I agree with you, but the fact is people in the public eye will always get more attention, even under tragic circumstances.

 

[Thrawn]

Re: Troy Broadbridge

Oh for God's sake, he is an realist.
I hope good news turns out as well and I'm praying for him and his family, but my gut feeling is that he is probably gone.
This tragedy has already taken more than 20,000 lives, and oh god it is very sad news, but the reality is that the longer he is missing, the likelyhood sadly is that he is dead.
That is not being insensitive, but being realistic.

We can still hope, celtic... no matter if the odds are against us or not.

What I want to know is how Broadbridge is any more important than the thousands of others who have died? I am upset and hopeful as with other people on this thread, but we need some perspective on this. Unless you're a relative or friend (or even know him personally), how is his disappearance more shocking that that of the hundreds of others?

 

[The Fireman]

Re: Troy Broadbridge

Oh for God's sake, he is an realist.
I hope good news turns out as well and I'm praying for him and his family, but my gut feeling is that he is probably gone.
This tragedy has already taken more than 20,000 lives, and oh god it is very sad news, but the reality is that the longer he is missing, the likelyhood sadly is that he is dead.
That is not being insensitive, but being realistic.

nope, TP came out with his post straight away claiming he was sure that he was gone, he loves the attention with posts like that, he is the forum Shock Jock and forum wierdo.
So for God's Sake have a look at the rest of his postings before you stick up for him again.