We have Voss, now we have the Assistants...

[slashin_velvet]

Tom Stewart is where he is now because of Scarlett.

He's the one who identified him as a talent in the GFL and recommended him to Geelong and then helped develop him into what he is today.

One swallow does not make a summer.

You've been very critical of Voss to date, whilst this year's Brownlow medalist is on record giving Voss credit for helping him reach these heights.

"The biggest one is Michael Voss who had a lot to do with me at Port Adelaide. To have my name next to his and to be similar to what he’s achieved is very special and I’m incredibly humbled.”

 

[Bostonian]

One swallow does not make a summer.

You've been very critical of Voss to date, whilst this year's Brownlow medalist is on record giving Voss credit for helping him reach these heights.

"The biggest one is Michael Voss who had a lot to do with me at Port Adelaide. To have my name next to his and to be similar to what he’s achieved is very special and I’m incredibly humbled.”

And yet none of that has anything to do with game day coaching.

I'm sure there are players who might credit Teague with helping them improve their game. Doesn't mean he was a good coach though does it.

 

[Dunna Heartknee]

And yet none of that has anything to do with game day coaching.

I'm sure there are players who might credit Teague with helping them improve their game. Doesn't mean he was a good coach though does it.

Interesting observing the posting this morning.
Picking a diamond out of the rough doesn't make you a good coach ala Scarlet, Stewart.

 

[Bostonian]

Interesting observing the posting this morning.
Picking a diamond out of the rough doesn't make you a good coach ala Scarlet, Stewart.

It makes you suitable to be a line coach.

Voss might make a great coach for the midfield. Doesn't mean he has what it takes to be a head coach.

I wouldn't want a Scarlett to be a midfield coach.

 

[DEliades]

Can we stop giving Bostonian any credit. He’ll be negative on the club even if we had just won a flag. B

 

[Bostonian]

Can we stop giving Bostonian any credit. He’ll be negative on the club even if we had just won a flag. B

And then you go to the Trade thread where I've praised Austin and you look clueless.

 

[Arr0w]

Wondering if it would be considered nepotism, if Chris Scott

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got his brother to be an assistant, or perhaps it was nepotism to retain Lappin.

Perhaps we should sack Power, given he played with Voss

It's all well and good that we want to target the best assistants (how any of us here would know is beyond me), but they also need to be willing to come on board.

Even if they were willing to come to us, it still comes back to the right fit, rather than the "best" skillset.

I couldn't give a * if it was Hart from the Lions or Crows, George Stone or <insert here>, it's about the collective, just like the playing list

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Brett Hand. With GWS since inception in development and welfare roles. 2021 became senior coach of Glenelg and goes for the SANFL flag tomorrow.

Trying hands at SANFL footy again paying off big time at Glenelg for Brett

Glenelg coach Brett Hand has no issues praising a number of factors when he says he's "loving" being back in South Australia.

www.theinnersanctum.com.au

 

[slashin_velvet]

And yet none of that has anything to do with game day coaching.

I'm sure there are players who might credit Teague with helping them improve their game. Doesn't mean he was a good coach though does it.

So Scarlett's a good coach and the evidence is that he spotted some talent in Stewart and helped him develop. Whereas Voss is a bad coach, and even though the Brownlow medalist attributes some of his growth and improvement to Voss, he's not suitable to be head coach?

And if Shaun Hart gets the gig it's nepotism, but if Scarlett gets a spot, we have to ignore any connection to Cook....

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Every chance we'll be relying on past connections given numerous clubs are likely circling the best available.

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

But Scarlett is only rated highly because of his playing calibre. Very few of us would be exposed to his actual coaching ability.

His tenure at Geelong suggests he is good, but Shaun Hart has been coaching for a 5 year and 7 year period with two clubs, so pretty hard to suggest he's would only get a job through the Voss connection.

If Hammil has returned as backlin/defensive coach, why would we need Scarlett?

 

[DangerousD]

If Hammil has returned as backlin/defensive coach, why would we need Scarlett?

Why would you assume Scarlett would be defensive coach?

Very genuine question, Scarlett if he wanted to coach again, might want to move to a position of more responsibility to build his CV.

If I were guessing what area Hamil wouod coach, I wouldn’t be guessing defence

 

[Magical_EddieBetts]

If Hammil has returned as backlin/defensive coach, why would we need Scarlett?

Well Hamill was a forward and his coaching our backs so Scarlett could coach our forwards. We play our players out of position we might as well do the same with our coaches ... it’s the Carlton way

 

[Bostonian]

So Scarlett's a good coach and the evidence is that he spotted some talent in Stewart and helped him develop. Whereas Voss is a bad coach, and even though the Brownlow medalist attributes some of his growth and improvement to Voss, he's not suitable to be head coach?

And if Shaun Hart gets the gig it's nepotism, but if Scarlett gets a spot, we have to ignore any connection to Cook....

The evidence is that he is in the top 3 FUBs of all time. The best FUB of the modern era.
Went into a coaching role and helped develop a young player from a country league into one of the best defenders in the AFL

Scarlett doesn't need anyone's influence now to be getting a coaching gig with us and nor would I want Scarlett as a head coach just because he's good at being a line coach.

So we've discussed Scarlett's credentials.

Now if you could be so kind as to imbue us with all the information you have on why Hart is being hired and what he's done.

So we can understand why it's a good hiring. Just as was done for Scarlett.

 

[BlueBelle]

I imagine BlueBelle will be ecstatic that her fave player is back at the club.

Great memory AceAndy! My boy is back!!!!

 

[slashin_velvet]

The evidence is that he is in the top 3 FUBs of all time. The best FUB of the modern era.
Went into a coaching role and helped develop a young player from a country league into one of the best defenders in the AFL

Scarlett doesn't need anyone's influence now to be getting a coaching gig with us and nor would I want Scarlett as a head coach just because he's good at being a line coach.

So we've discussed Scarlett's credentials.

Now if you could be so kind as to imbue us with all the information you have on why Hart is being hired and what he's done.

So we can understand why it's a good hiring. Just as was done for Scarlett.

Every appointment will have their pro's and con's. Your advocating for Scarlett because of him identifying and developing 1 player, but there are many things people could knock his experience for. Hasn't coached his own team. Been with pretty insular groups - moved to the Dogs under an old assistant coach with Mooney and then back to Geelong. Only coached defense - not well rounded for a senior position etc. My point here isn't knocking Scarlett, its your "jobs for mates" comment with reference to Hart, but a complete willingness to throw on the blinders for Scarlett.

I'd be lying if I said I knew enough about Hart's track record to advocate FOR him, but what he does have a is a more diverse set of experiences than just line coaching one part of the field. He's a triple premiership playing, norm smith medalist who has coached at multiple clubs in roles ranging from line coaching, director of coaching, head of performance and player welfare. He has coached his own teams. These are attributes our coaching selection panel will view as favourable.

 

[WFGodot]

All I’m going to say is that I reckon those in the industry know who is a decent coach and who isn’t. It’s different to our past assistants, who were sacked and (afaik) haven’t picked up other work. He also survived the great cull of Saints assistants a few years ago. Must have something going for him.

A key issue with the club has been our lack of development of players over recent years. We are lucky that we have Luke Power!
The fact that EVERY coach in the 2021 season bar Power is gone, is proof that it was lacklustre and mediocre. We have talent and we waste it.
We need and expect specialised coaching by experienced, knowledgeable, committed and capable professionals. A coaching team that works together.

Lets not smash the bloke (Hamill) before he has a chance, as you pointed out, he has survived culls at the Saints so he can't be a complete spud, BUT, we have a good list maybe even a very good one with some critical additions for 2022. We need to get these appointments right. I want excellence, ambition, passion and dedication, not just to compete but to achieve great things.
Sammy Hamill is saying the right things lets hope he is here to really give it 100% - if I'm being honest though, his name never crossed my mind as an assistant coach at Carlton for season 2022...

Please, lets not waste this chance.

 

[BigFrizz36]

This isn't a Carlton thing.

AFL assistant ranks are full of nepotism.

We literally went through years of our fans having a big issue with this club and "jobs for the boys".

I went to the St Kilda board to see how they rated Hamill. Did you go do some minimal research into how he was viewed there?

Hardly glowing endorsements ringing out. So with that in mind exactly why would say I and others after finding that out be excited by his appointment?


We should have been rid of Teague far sooner. It was obvious he was no good so the call needed to be made sooner.

Imagine how much easier that would have made it for us to fill vacant positions when the pool to choose from wasn't so shallow by the time we got around to it.

Surely going onto another teams board to determine whether the clubs most vocal fans rate an assistant coach should be one of the main criteria as to whether we appoint them or not?

 

[BlueTongue]

This isn't a Carlton thing.

AFL assistant ranks are full of nepotism.

We literally went through years of our fans having a big issue with this club and "jobs for the boys".

I went to the St Kilda board to see how they rated Hamill. Did you go do some minimal research into how he was viewed there?

Hardly glowing endorsements ringing out. So with that in mind exactly why would say I and others after finding that out be excited by his appointment?


We should have been rid of Teague far sooner. It was obvious he was no good so the call needed to be made sooner.

Imagine how much easier that would have made it for us to fill vacant positions when the pool to choose from wasn't so shallow by the time we got around to it.

Despite your negative undertones and heavy use of sarcasm (traits of which I see predominant in my own character but try to filter when posting) this is largely an accurate observation.

The only issue is that we aren’t running the club, so we either get onboard or suck it up…

 

[Bring on Vinnie]

Every appointment will have their pro's and con's. Your advocating for Scarlett because of him identifying and developing 1 player, but there are many things people could knock his experience for. Hasn't coached his own team. Been with pretty insular groups - moved to the Dogs under an old assistant coach with Mooney and then back to Geelong. Only coached defense - not well rounded for a senior position etc. My point here isn't knocking Scarlett, its your "jobs for mates" comment with reference to Hart, but a complete willingness to throw on the blinders for Scarlett.

I'd be lying if I said I knew enough about Hart's track record to advocate FOR him, but what he does have a is a more diverse set of experiences than just line coaching one part of the field. He's a triple premiership playing, norm smith medalist who has coached at multiple clubs in roles ranging from line coaching, director of coaching, head of performance and player welfare. He has coached his own teams. These are attributes our coaching selection panel will view as favourable.

Great points you both make. Let’s hope we get both Hart and Scarlett!

 

[Bostonian]

Despite your negative undertones and heavy use of sarcasm (traits of which I see predominant in my own character but try to filter when posting) this is largely an accurate observation.

The only issue is that we aren’t running the club, so we either get onboard or suck it up…

Or the fans voice their unease, displeasure or joy.

Ultimately if the fans make enough noise change does happen. The club would have read the room of fans opinions on Teague without a doubt.

 

[Bostonian]

Surely going onto another teams board to determine whether the clubs most vocal fans rate an assistant coach should be one of the main criteria as to whether we appoint them or not?

We don't get to appoint them.

We get to look at who they are appointing and try to work out their competence levels yes?

Are you saying if another team hired Barker and that teams fans came on here for an appraisal of him they'd be wrong to do so?
Just suck it up and never question anything their board does?

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

The average supporter's ability to ascertain the capabilities of AFL assistant coaches is one of Bigfooty's most profound legacies.

Amazing how so many can, externally, mind you, deduce the influence of assistants in an environment where the majority of decision-making and responsibility falls upon the senior coach.

If I were to give it a try myself:

- Was an assistant at a premiership side = good
- "Highly rated" term used in media article = good
- John Barker = bad

How'd I do?

 

[Shambolic]

The average supporter's ability to ascertain the capabilities of AFL assistant coaches is one of Bigfooty's most profound legacies.

Amazing how so many can, externally, mind you, deduce the influence of assistants in an environment where the majority of decision-making and responsibility falls upon the senior coach.

If I were to give it a try myself:

- Was an assistant at a premiership side = good
- "Highly rated" term used in media article = good
- John Barker = bad

How'd I do?

well done

I find this really hard myself, such gnashing of teeth over names and clubs and assumptions. I have no idea how to do it!

 

[swuzzlebubble]

The average supporter's ability to ascertain the capabilities of AFL assistant coaches is one of Bigfooty's most profound legacies.

Amazing how so many can, externally, mind you, deduce the influence of assistants in an environment where the majority of decision-making and responsibility falls upon the senior coach.

If I were to give it a try myself:

- Was an assistant at a premiership side = good
- "Highly rated" term used in media article = good
- John Barker = bad

How'd I do?

You missed: worked at a team that wasn't going well = bad