What They're Saying - The Bulldogs Media Thread - Part 4

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grassman75 said:
I reckon Baz is gone. I’ve said it numerous times
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We'll see.
grassman75 said:
The club know it, they are trying to keep it under wraps to avoid the media continuing the witch hunt blaming Bevo and ending up in the Dunkley circus again. You can tell from the strange press conferences that it’s all managed. Bevo wants to say we have to do something eg: get games into Sanders and Gallagher because Baz is ******* off to Collingwood, but he can’t.
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I don't understand this reasoning at all. Beveridge knew that Smith was going to be out for the entire season. He also knows that relying on an aging midfield rotation that spreads from the contest as well as frozen butter is his sides achilles heal. When his most dynamic if somewhat flawed mid who would help address these issues went down, then of course he was going to pivot and fast track the likes of Saunders and Gallagher as a way of addressing these issues.

Beveridge is many things as a person and coach. Stupid he is not.
grassman75 said:
Then that big ******* dope Draper comes out and runs his mouth on a podcast - typical dumb ruckman type s**t. That’s why Collingwood told their players not to talk about it, Essendon told the Dogs and the dogs are pissed off.
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Dumb guys says dumb things during a podcast segment that was meant to parody the media and their incessant knee jerk hot takes. There was barely a whiff of smoke in what he said, let alone a spark to set off the most predictable of media fires.

grassman75 said:
I would say we’ve already come to an agreement with Collingwood as mostly we have a pretty good relationship with them and the deal has been done behind closed doors.
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Why would we do this? If there is anything to the rumours of Smiths departure then there will be numerous suitors. With his sponsorship ties to Geelong identities then he's as likely to go there as anywhere. Indeed because he's such a public figure it's as easy to connect Smith to Hawthorn, Geelong as it is to Collingwood. It's why the media can reliably churn through the subject of Smiths future on a slow news day.

What we're seeing is the flip side of celebrity culture when a guy who's lived his football life so publicly, is no longer so public because his injury has him sitting on the sidelines doing the hard slog of rehabbing said injury.


grassman75 said:
In classic Essendon arrogance, Draper shoots his mouth to be funny, not knowing the whole story and brings heat on everyone
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It's just a dumb guy trying to be funny and stepping all over his dick.

Its a storm in a teacup.
 
threenewpadlocks said:
It cannot be simultaneously true that Smith will command a top 50-75 paid player in the league contract (which he will) and not be at least a top 10 pick or equivalent value.

The contract amounts as a proportion of the salary cap are greater than Dunkley (though Dunkley's trade value was added to given his form in the last few games for the Dogs), and Dunkley went for 21, a future first netting out to around pick 13, and a future 2nd, combined which add up to more than a top 10 pick.
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This is where Sammy Power has to earn his dough.
 
The Inbetweener said:
The future first ended up being pick 21.
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Yes, it was not valued at that at the time the trade was made though. Brisbane did make the grand final, though the pick had some value to it than there was a 20% chance at the time that it itself could have been a top 10 pick or whatever.
 

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Angak said:
Bevo is my favorite Bulldogs coach of all time. I still hope like hell he turns things around. However I didn't believe for second that Draper would say something like this as a joke without an element of truth to it.
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He's literally saying it because it's been a media topic and he's just randomly shooting the s**t in a podcast that he wants to be the next Dylan Buckley when he retires or something.

Listen to the entire vibe of that whole podcast or his series in general. It's not intended to be provided insights from the "inner sanctum". It's Draper thinking that his broad personality has an audience, even though it's the equivalent of eavesdropping on the group of mates next to you at the pub (who gives a s**t).
 
Golden_6 said:
Yes it absolutely can. People need to seperate contract size and draft capital as seperate assets. They are not the same.
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There have been dozens of trades over the years in which a player moves clubs for a top 50-75 salary.

in 99.9% of cases they go for some combination of draft assets that would equate to a top 10 pick.

For instance, Adelaide traded pick 5 with some late picks being roughly equivalent for Izak Rankine.

To suggest that there's something unique about Smith that would somehow equate to a big contract but not a big draft pick in a trade is just strange. Why would it be true for Smith but not true for Rankine or any other player in history?
 
Angak said:
Bevo is my favorite Bulldogs coach of all time. I still hope like hell he turns things around. However I didn't believe for second that Draper would say something like this as a joke without an element of truth to it.
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Unless Draper reads the BF Bulldogs forum, like the “journalists” do… 🙄
 
threenewpadlocks said:
He's literally saying it because it's been a media topic and he's just randomly shooting the s**t in a podcast that he wants to be the next Dylan Buckley when he retires or something.

Listen to the entire vibe of that whole podcast or his series in general. It's not intended to be provided insights from the "inner sanctum". It's Draper thinking that his broad personality has an audience, even though it's the equivalent of eavesdropping on the group of mates next to you at the pub (who gives a s**t).
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Hopefully I'm wrong but my hopes of Bevo turning this around is dwindling.
 
Angak said:
Hopefully I'm wrong but my hopes of Bevo turning this around is dwindling.
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Turning around what? The fact that a brainless opposition player didn't think through what he was doing before parroting back what he heard from the Kane Corneses of the world?
 
"I'm not going to say anything about it really because I think the people that became aware of it and are close to him (Sam Draper) and their football club were extremely alarmed and reached out to me and expressed their apologies."

Piss poor effort from Draper.

If a call needed to be made to Bevo then he should have made it.

If you can shoot your mouth off on a podcast then you should be big enough to make the apology.
 
AFL Website Article

IT IS Harley Reid and then daylight right now in the Rising Star award. But with two thirds of the season still to play, don't discount one of the tallest players in the League.

After an injury-interrupted start to life at the Western Bulldogs, Sam Darcy is compiling a case to be carefully considered when the voting panel convenes in September.

Despite producing one of the better pre-season campaigns at the Whitten Oval across the summer, the 208cm utility was overlooked in round one in favour of Rory Lobb. That lasted one week.
Since returning against Gold Coast in Ballarat in round two, Darcy has flaunted a deep array of tricks and rare mobility for his size that have him well positioned to be a star in this competition for a long time to come.

The 20-year-old slotted three goals against Fremantle at Optus Stadium on Saturday night, after kicking three against Geelong at Adelaide Oval during Gather Round when he earned a Rising Star nomination. Darcy has now kicked 11.6 from six games and is averaging 12.3 disposals, 5.2 marks, 3.7 tackles, two contested marks – only seven players are averaging more – and 8.2 hitouts, splitting his time as a target inside 50 alongside Jamarra Ugle-Hagan and Aaron Naughton and as Tim English's back-up in the ruck.The 2021 pick No.2 was restricted to only seven appearances across his first two seasons in the AFL due to a range of injuries. He arrived at the kennel with a stress fracture in his foot. Then there was the hole in his lung, the broken jaw and the badly corked quad that ended up costing him two months last year.
But right now, the son of Western Bulldogs great and current football director Luke, is rated as the second most improved player in the AFL, according to Champion Data’s AFL Player Ratings.

Only Brownlow Medal favourite Isaac Heeney has produced a bigger spike in his output from 2023. The box office Sydney star has been the clear standout performer of 2024 to date, becoming just the second player to reach 50 coaches' votes this week – 54 total – after seven rounds, behind Nat Fyfe in 2015, 17 votes clear of the next best this year in Zach Merrett.

PLAYERCLUBPOSITION20242023IMPROVEMENT
Isaac HeeneySydneyMid23.311.9+11.4
Sam DarcyWestern BulldogsKey Fwd10.1-0.3+10.4
Blake DruryNorth MelbourneFwd8.9-0.2+9.1
Charlie CombenNorth MelbourneKey Def10.92.2+8.7
Brandan ParfittGeelongMid13.35.4+7.9
Massimo D'AmbrosioHawthornWing11.03.7+7.3
Elijah HollandsCarltonFwd12.55.3+7.2
Patrick CrippsCarltonMid20.313.1+7.1
Marc PittonetCarltonRuck15.78.6+7.1
Max GawnMelbourneRuck20.513.9+6.6
Matt RowellGold CoastMid21.515.0+6.5
Mitch GeorgiadesPort AdelaideKey Fwd6.90.5+6.4
Maurice RioliRichmondFwd9.02.7+6.2
Sam WalshCarltonMid18.712.6+6.1
Aaron CadmanGreater Western SydneyKey Fwd8.62.6+6.0
Unlike last year when eventual winner Harry Sheezel burst out of the blocks and maintained that pace for most of the year, Brisbane's father-son recruit Will Ashcroft nipped at his heels until he tore his ACL, and Mitch Owens and Jye Amiss were in the mix once their impact inside 50 where properly assessed, Reid is the clear standout after seven rounds. And will take some beating.
The Tongala product has had a level of impact not many, if any, first-year players have ever had, especially when you factor in West Coast's struggles since 2021 and the never-before-seen level of coverage his every move has garnered in Western Australia.

Reid's numbers don't catapult off the page; he is maximum impact, rather than an accumulator. Second-year Kangaroo George Wardlaw is cut from a similar cloth and one of the leading contenders, along with his teammate Colby McKercher, who was narrowly overlooked for the round seven nomination on the weekend in favour of Jake Rogers, despite collecting 32 touches.

Darcy Wilson has made a seamless transition to League football at St Kilda, as has Caleb Windsor at Melbourne. Both have played all seven games since making debuts at the start of the season.

Geelong's Ollie Dempsey and Sydney's Matt Roberts are both playing roles in top-four sides right now, keeping more experienced players on the outer at both clubs and improving by the week.
Regardless of whether Darcy pushes Reid all the way in the Ron Evans Medal or not, he is clearly a crucial piece of the Western Bulldogs' future.

And after such a frustrating start to life in the AFL, the mobile big man is making a big impact in 2024.

Should a third-year player be eligible for the Rising Star? That is a debate for another day. But the rules are the rules. Under the age of 21 on January 1 and 10 games or less to your name is the criteria.
Sanders was expected to be the standout contender at the Dogs, but has been inconsistent. Harvey Gallagher has played all seven games and earned a nomination.

But it's Darcy that could be Reid's biggest challenger.

PLAYERNOMINATEDCLUB2024 PLAYER RATING POINTS
Harley ReidRound fiveWCE14.0
George WardlawRound twoNM12.6
Jake RogersRound sevenGCS10.4
Sam DarcyRound fourWB10.1
Matt RobertsOpening RoundSYD9.4
Oliver DempseyRound oneGEE8.8
Caleb WindsorNot yet nominatedMEL8.4
Darcy WilsonRound sixSTK6.5
Ryley SandersNot yet nominatedWB6.5
Colby McKercherNot yet nominatedNM5.9
Harvey GallagherRound threeWB
 
Bulldogs85 said:
AFL Website Article

IT IS Harley Reid and then daylight right now in the Rising Star award. But with two thirds of the season still to play, don't discount one of the tallest players in the League.

After an injury-interrupted start to life at the Western Bulldogs, Sam Darcy is compiling a case to be carefully considered when the voting panel convenes in September.

Despite producing one of the better pre-season campaigns at the Whitten Oval across the summer, the 208cm utility was overlooked in round one in favour of Rory Lobb. That lasted one week.
Since returning against Gold Coast in Ballarat in round two, Darcy has flaunted a deep array of tricks and rare mobility for his size that have him well positioned to be a star in this competition for a long time to come.

The 20-year-old slotted three goals against Fremantle at Optus Stadium on Saturday night, after kicking three against Geelong at Adelaide Oval during Gather Round when he earned a Rising Star nomination. Darcy has now kicked 11.6 from six games and is averaging 12.3 disposals, 5.2 marks, 3.7 tackles, two contested marks – only seven players are averaging more – and 8.2 hitouts, splitting his time as a target inside 50 alongside Jamarra Ugle-Hagan and Aaron Naughton and as Tim English's back-up in the ruck.The 2021 pick No.2 was restricted to only seven appearances across his first two seasons in the AFL due to a range of injuries. He arrived at the kennel with a stress fracture in his foot. Then there was the hole in his lung, the broken jaw and the badly corked quad that ended up costing him two months last year.
But right now, the son of Western Bulldogs great and current football director Luke, is rated as the second most improved player in the AFL, according to Champion Data’s AFL Player Ratings.

Only Brownlow Medal favourite Isaac Heeney has produced a bigger spike in his output from 2023. The box office Sydney star has been the clear standout performer of 2024 to date, becoming just the second player to reach 50 coaches' votes this week – 54 total – after seven rounds, behind Nat Fyfe in 2015, 17 votes clear of the next best this year in Zach Merrett.

PLAYERCLUBPOSITION20242023IMPROVEMENT
Isaac HeeneySydneyMid23.311.9+11.4
Sam DarcyWestern BulldogsKey Fwd10.1-0.3+10.4
Blake DruryNorth MelbourneFwd8.9-0.2+9.1
Charlie CombenNorth MelbourneKey Def10.92.2+8.7
Brandan ParfittGeelongMid13.35.4+7.9
Massimo D'AmbrosioHawthornWing11.03.7+7.3
Elijah HollandsCarltonFwd12.55.3+7.2
Patrick CrippsCarltonMid20.313.1+7.1
Marc PittonetCarltonRuck15.78.6+7.1
Max GawnMelbourneRuck20.513.9+6.6
Matt RowellGold CoastMid21.515.0+6.5
Mitch GeorgiadesPort AdelaideKey Fwd6.90.5+6.4
Maurice RioliRichmondFwd9.02.7+6.2
Sam WalshCarltonMid18.712.6+6.1
Aaron CadmanGreater Western SydneyKey Fwd8.62.6+6.0
Unlike last year when eventual winner Harry Sheezel burst out of the blocks and maintained that pace for most of the year, Brisbane's father-son recruit Will Ashcroft nipped at his heels until he tore his ACL, and Mitch Owens and Jye Amiss were in the mix once their impact inside 50 where properly assessed, Reid is the clear standout after seven rounds. And will take some beating.
The Tongala product has had a level of impact not many, if any, first-year players have ever had, especially when you factor in West Coast's struggles since 2021 and the never-before-seen level of coverage his every move has garnered in Western Australia.

Reid's numbers don't catapult off the page; he is maximum impact, rather than an accumulator. Second-year Kangaroo George Wardlaw is cut from a similar cloth and one of the leading contenders, along with his teammate Colby McKercher, who was narrowly overlooked for the round seven nomination on the weekend in favour of Jake Rogers, despite collecting 32 touches.

Darcy Wilson has made a seamless transition to League football at St Kilda, as has Caleb Windsor at Melbourne. Both have played all seven games since making debuts at the start of the season.

Geelong's Ollie Dempsey and Sydney's Matt Roberts are both playing roles in top-four sides right now, keeping more experienced players on the outer at both clubs and improving by the week.
Regardless of whether Darcy pushes Reid all the way in the Ron Evans Medal or not, he is clearly a crucial piece of the Western Bulldogs' future.

And after such a frustrating start to life in the AFL, the mobile big man is making a big impact in 2024.

Should a third-year player be eligible for the Rising Star? That is a debate for another day. But the rules are the rules. Under the age of 21 on January 1 and 10 games or less to your name is the criteria.
Sanders was expected to be the standout contender at the Dogs, but has been inconsistent. Harvey Gallagher has played all seven games and earned a nomination.

But it's Darcy that could be Reid's biggest challenger.

PLAYERNOMINATEDCLUB2024 PLAYER RATING POINTS
Harley ReidRound fiveWCE14.0
George WardlawRound twoNM12.6
Jake RogersRound sevenGCS10.4
Sam DarcyRound fourWB10.1
Matt RobertsOpening RoundSYD9.4
Oliver DempseyRound oneGEE8.8
Caleb WindsorNot yet nominatedMEL8.4
Darcy WilsonRound sixSTK6.5
Ryley SandersNot yet nominatedWB6.5
Colby McKercherNot yet nominatedNM5.9
Harvey GallagherRound threeWB
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The fact they had nominations in round 0 where most teams didn’t play is disgraceful by the AFL.
 
Freshwater said:
The fact they had nominations in round 0 where most teams didn’t play is disgraceful by the AFL.
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Ssshhhh! You weren't meant to notice.
 

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I haven’t got any problems with what Sam Draper has said, zilch. He’s just a lad, let them speak their minds a little. It’s the Sam McClure, Tom Morris, Caro, Barrett knobs that are unlistenable.
 
"The Coach and the CEO have been on the phones making sure there is no ill will between them and the Dogs."

🤣 Yeah, right.
 
dogwatch said:
"The Coach and the CEO have been on the phones making sure there is no ill will between them and the Dogs."

🤣 Yeah, right.
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A major diplomatic incident. Our respective foreign affairs depts are very busy. Exhuming Henry Kissinger to facilitate peace talks is on the table I believe.
 
TiAn_ said:
I understand that Brad Scott has accepted Sam Draper’s offer to commit seppuku by sundown tomorrow to restore Essendon’s honour.
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What's seppuku? A proper haircut?
 
Draper would be a full time chromer under public infrastructure if he didn't have a well off family to fund his education. Let's be honest though his limited neurons aligned correctly on this one however
 
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