Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

[WalshistheGOAT]

Hold on... Are the pissant Pies now saying analytics and stats are relevant???

I though Quaynor was a better player than Saad no matter what the stats say because Fudger has eyeballs?

WHICH ONE IS IT????

 

[Robroy22]

Hold on... Are the pissant Pies now saying analytics and stats are relevant???

I though Quaynor was a better player than Saad no matter what the stats say because Fudger has eyeballs?

WHICH ONE IS IT????

Depends on who you wanna play with I guess?

 

[Carringbush2010]

Your fellow dirty birders on here still havent figured out that finishing 9th < finishing 8th ...and you want evidence? What a bunch of Trump type denialists youve been. path etic!!

You obviously can't comprehend.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Squibby only cares for himself. Incentive clauses, having a cry when he lost to Crippa, playing selfish stat padding footy through the year, having his team feed him the ball in the final round of the season to pump up his stats and try to win some awards... Embarrassing stuff from Squibby.

Probably why he doesn't put his body on the line either. All about his own fame and glory.

So again no evidence he cares more about himself than the club.

Just a vibe, ND living rent free in your head, obviously lot's of room in there.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

So again no evidence he cares more about himself than the club.

Just a vibe, ND living rent free in your head, obviously lot's of room in there.

Did you see him in round 24 last year? If that wasn't the most embarrassing case of stat padding you've ever seen I suggest you get your eyes checked.

Nicky is all about Nicky. Same reason he sprints from 100m away to take a kickout if he's having a quiet quarter.

 

[Arr0w]

Did you see him in round 24 last year? If that wasn't the most embarrassing case of stat padding you've ever seen I suggest you get your eyes checked.

Nicky is all about Nicky. Same reason he sprints from 100m away to take a kickout if he's having a quiet quarter.

Selfish, cost his team finals

 

[Carringbush2010]

Yep, 23 players and all have a job, but if you have a V8 and you lose a cylinder....yeah BIG problems. Losing a windscreen wiper or an ashtray....not so much.

Gun players (KEY PLAYERS) are a much bigger problem than a role player.

Gonna have to disagree somewhat from a pies perspective, we're less 'star' reliant than probably every other team.

Where we went wrong last year wasn't so much coz injuries as much as our inconsistency let us down at crucial times.

The freo game and the sydney game, (when we had key players out) when we were up 27 pts in the last only to draw and lose is testament to that.

We were just a bit off through the whole year, yeah we did have injuries at inopportune times, but we've displayed moments of the form that wins success.

We just need to put it together more consistently, we'll have injuries, just like the blose, it's how we manage it and maintain system that'll count.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Did you see him in round 24 last year? If that wasn't the most embarrassing case of stat padding you've ever seen I suggest you get your eyes checked.

Nicky is all about Nicky. Same reason he sprints from 100m away to take a kickout if he's having a quiet quarter.

 

[Cyclops]

Selfish, cost his team finals

Yeah, cost us the 2023 Grand final with that selfish handball get, egotistical handball to Pendles, narcissistic aerial gather an self absorbed dish to that D grader JDG.

It's funny, the insults you dish out often say a lot about your own insecurities.

Us Pies are ribbing youse about not being quite good enough. That's the legacy of all our lost GFs I guess, when we came up second best.

We offset that with sheer ego. The Collingwood spirit that makes scrubbers like Leggy and Frampton, woen out codgers like Pendles and Cox, and bullet heads like Maynard and JDG lift above their flaws to victory.

The Blues chief jibe is "Daicos is selfish, after individual awards, not the flag"

Now that's not Cripps, or Saad. But I think it really is true of too many Blues. H&A selfishness can be productive, guys like Walsh and Curnow playing their best for themselves, but in finals that'll kill you.

Carlton used to overcome that with amazing leaders. Kernahan, Big Niick, Jezza, they'd slap heads and get them all going the same direction.

Cripps is a fine exemplary leader, positive and indefatigable, but maybe he's not the captain Carlton need. He can't stop them dropping their bundles in a final, such a sorry capitulation.

On reflection, Cripps is Carltons biggest problem. He's not a strong enough leader. Maybe the glitter of the individual award distracted him? Can't blame him, he's more unselfish than most, and the rest are out there chasing Coleman's etc.

Crippa would be a decent vice captain. He could still lead, be the fine player he always had been.

What Carlton needs is a war leader. A general. A Khan. Maynard, or Sicily. A real ****, undistracted by glitter or ego. Not a cheque collector like Judd, or a coodabeen like Marc Murphy.

I guess Carlton forgot what leadership is?

 

[Fadge]

Yeah, cost us the 2023 Grand final with that selfish handball get, egotistical handball to Pendles, narcissistic aerial gather an self absorbed dish to that D grader JDG.

It's funny, the insults you dish out often say a lot about your own insecurities.

Us Pies are ribbing youse about not being quite good enough. That's the legacy of all our lost GFs I guess, when we came up second best.

We offset that with sheer ego. The Collingwood spirit that makes scrubbers like Leggy and Frampton, woen out codgers like Pendles and Cox, and bullet heads like Maynard and JDG lift above their flaws to victory.

The Blues chief jibe is "Daicos is selfish, after individual awards, not the flag"

It's nothing more than a coping mechanism.

One minute they're saying this rubbish, the next they're posting a picture of Daicos tearing up after losing the 2022 Preliminary Final.

I guess their lack of quality ball users around the ball makes them ignorant to the fact that a team wants to get the ball into the hands of the best user and decision maker in not only the team, but the entire competition, as frequently as possible.

 

[Cyclops]

It's nothing more than a coping mechanism.

One minute they're saying this rubbish, the next they're posting a picture of Daicos tearing up after losing the 2022 Preliminary Final.

I guess their lack of quality ball users around the ball makes them ignorant to the fact that a team wants to get the ball into the hands of the best user and decision maker in not only the team, but the entire competition, as frequently as possible.

It's a fair point that you can rely too much on one star, but as Carringbush points out, we take steps to ameliorate that risk, and actually set up our premiership run with Daics out for many weeks.

Carlton definitely over rely on Cripps. He's so brilliant, we all admire him, but one fella can't do I all.

I'm not talking just about brilliance, they do have a lot of quality at Carlton. It's attitude where they fall down. Leave it to Crippa: and when he is worm out or eventually leaves, "it" is gone.

 

[Arr0w]

Yeah, cost us the 2023 Grand final with that selfish handball get, egotistical handball to Pendles, narcissistic aerial gather an self absorbed dish to that D grader JDG.

It was a great handball and I have never referred to JDG as a D grader

It's funny, the insults you dish out often say a lot about your own insecurities.

It's a banter thread, and I don't suffer from insecurity

Us Pies are ribbing youse about not being quite good enough. That's the legacy of all our lost GFs I guess, when we came up second best.

We offset that with sheer ego. The Collingwood spirit that makes scrubbers like Leggy and Frampton, woen out codgers like Pendles and Cox, and bullet heads like Maynard and JDG lift above their flaws to victory.

The Blues chief jibe is "Daicos is selfish, after individual awards, not the flag"

You haven't read much of this thread if you think we only jibe about one player

Now that's not Cripps, or Saad. But I think it really is true of too many Blues. H&A selfishness can be productive, guys like Walsh and Curnow playing their best for themselves, but in finals that'll kill you.

Walsh was awarded best player in finals in 2023

Carlton used to overcome that with amazing leaders. Kernahan, Big Niick, Jezza, they'd slap heads and get them all going the same direction.

Cripps is a fine exemplary leader, positive and indefatigable, but maybe he's not the captain Carlton need. He can't stop them dropping their bundles in a final, such a sorry capitulation.

So we judge leadership on win/loss record?

On reflection, Cripps is Carltons biggest problem. He's not a strong enough leader. Maybe the glitter of the individual award distracted him? Can't blame him, he's more unselfish than most, and the rest are out there chasing Coleman's etc.

Crippa would be a decent vice captain. He could still lead, be the fine player he always had been.

What Carlton needs is a war leader. A general. A Khan. Maynard, or Sicily. A real ****, undistracted by glitter or ego. Not a cheque collector like Judd, or a coodabeen like Marc Murphy.

I guess Carlton forgot what leadership is?

So would that also ve a similar description for someone like Buckley?

It seems certain Pie supporters are happy to stir the pot, play the poster, yet when it comes back the other way, they get offended

Not sure how many times I have to post it, Footy, banter or trolling, I'll entertain any of it

 

[Arr0w]

Paywalled.

https://archive.md/uaNar

 

[Fadge]

It's a fair point that you can rely too much on one star, but as Carringbush points out, we take steps to ameliorate that risk, and actually set up our premiership run with Daics out for many weeks.

Carlton definitely over rely on Cripps. He's so brilliant, we all admire him, but one fella can't do I all.

I'm not talking just about brilliance, they do have a lot of quality at Carlton. It's attitude where they fall down. Leave it to Crippa: and when he is worm out or eventually leaves, "it" is gone.

Carlton over rely on every one of their top handful of players - because their list is imbalanced and they don't have the depth beneath them.

How many Carlton posters have blamed their decline on the absence of De Koning over the back part of 2024?

Any of their top 5 go down, and it's curtains for the Ubershizen Bloosers. De Koning is in the 5, Walsh is out (given his lack of hurt with ball in hand, combined with the expected input of Jagga in 2025).

They've had circa 90% of all games played from their top-liners over the past three seasons, and had 12, 13 and 13 wins - nowhere near enough to set yourself up to genuinely contend for a premiership.

 

[Arr0w]

Carlton over rely on every one of their top handful of players - because their list is imbalanced and they don't have the depth beneath them.

How many Carlton posters have blamed their decline on the absence of De Koning over the back part of 2024?

Any of their top 5 go down, and it's curtains for the Ubershizen Bloosers. De Koning is in the 5, Walsh is out (given his lack of hurt with ball in hand, combined with the expected input of Jagga in 2025).

So what was the Pies excuse for missing the 8, "don't have the depth beneath"?

 

[Carringbush2010]

https://archive.md/uaNar

Thanks Arrow.

This doesn't prove the ND is being nefarious in any way though that WalshistheGOAT is implying.

So his manager negotiated a bonus if he wins a brownlow, yeah Nick is all about himself and doesn't give a shit about the club.

Hyperbole.

 

[JustaBattler]

first there was only a developing Cripps...then an Ok Weitering..then a Coleman medalist in Harry then a new ki=d called Walsh...recovered Curnow and a coupel of Colemans...then grown kid called TDK...

not amazing that Collingwood havent heard of development ...

and they think that Carlton is stopping there...

say hello to Smith this year and a couple of Campos- next yer Walker jnr will be arriving...

good luck wiht your pensioners and your recruited merceneries - we build em ourselves at Carlton ..Houston LMAO the bloke publicly stated he preferred to be at Carlton...

LOL

tick tock tick tock...

 

[Worm4]

So what was the Pies excuse for missing the 8, "don't have the depth beneath"?

Finished 9th, list is more balanced. Amazing logic.
Let's see how balanced that list is with the oldest bunch of farts representing the dirty birds for season 2025.

 

[Fadge]

first there was only a developing Cripps...then an Ok Weitering..then a Coleman medalist in Harry then a new ki=d called Walsh...recovered Curnow and a coupel of Colemans...then grown kid called TDK...

not amazing that Collingwood havent heard of development ...

and they think that Carlton is stopping there...

say hello to Smith this year and a couple of Campos- next yer Walker jnr will be arriving...

good luck wiht your pensioners and your recruited merceneries - we build em ourselves at Carlton ..Houston LMAO the bloke publicly stated he preferred to be at Carlton...

LOL

tick tock tick tock...

So Carlton have had 12, 13 and 13 win seasons over the past 3 years, with 90% of games played from their top line players - a group of players that Carlton rely on more so than any other team in the competition.

Five alleged best 22 players - Kennedy, Owies, Marchbank, Cuningham and Martin - have been delisted or traded, and you're relying on immediate impact from Smith and the Camporeale twins to not only compensate for the loss those players, but improve the home and away win ratio to something that would set you up to contend for premierships - at a time when Cripps, Curnow, Weitering, McKay, Walsh and TDK are in their absolute prime?

Absolute delusion.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Carlton over rely on every one of their top handful of players - because their list is imbalanced and they don't have the depth beneath them.

How many Carlton posters have blamed their decline on the absence of De Koning over the back part of 2024?

Any of their top 5 go down, and it's curtains for the Ubershizen Bloosers. De Koning is in the 5, Walsh is out (given his lack of hurt with ball in hand, combined with the expected input of Jagga in 2025).

They've had circa 90% of all games played from their top-liners over the past three seasons, and had 12, 13 and 13 wins - nowhere near enough to set yourself up to genuinely contend for a premiership.

How would the Pies go without Squibby? It's the same with any team. Lose any of your top of the line guns and you're going to struggle, lose multiple and you're cooked.

Richmond in 2020 were absolutely smashed by the injury gods. They managed to get themselves healthy post bye and go on to win their 3rd flag but before that they were no better than anyone else despite being in the midst of a dynasty with a fantastic list.

 

[Fadge]

How would the Pies go without Daicos? It's the same with any team. Lose any of your top of the line guns and you're going to struggle, lose multiple and you're cooked.

Richmond in 2020 were absolutely smashed by the injury gods. They managed to get themselves healthy post bye and go on to win their 3rd flag but before that they were no better than anyone else despite being in the midst of a dynasty with a fantastic list.

Collingwood were without Daicos leading into the 2023 Finals series, and were without him for the Qualifying Final. We steadied to secure top spot and won a Qualifying Final without him.

So there's your answer.

Conversely, Carlton lose De Koning for a few weeks and they can't beat a top 15 team.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

So Carlton have had 12, 13 and 13 win seasons over the past 3 years, with 90% of games played from their top line players - a group of players that Carlton rely on more so than any other team in the competition.

Five alleged best 22 players - Kennedy, Owies, Marchbank, Cuningham and Martin - have been delisted or traded, and you're relying on immediate impact from Smith and the Camporeale twins to not only compensate for the loss those players, but improve the home and away win ratio to something that would set you up to contend for premierships - at a time when Cripps, Curnow, Weitering, McKay, Walsh and TDK are in their absolute prime?

Absolute delusion.

Blues will be better in 2025 than 2024. Depth won't be an issue, plenty of kids ready to step up to replace those 5 departed players.

 

[Fadge]

Blues will be better in 2025 than 2024. Depth won't be an issue, plenty of kids ready to step up to replace those 5 departed players.

Carlton were playing their absolute best footy at the tail end of 2023, when all of those 5 departed players were available, yet still fell short of genuinely contending for a premiership.

And you're hoping the kids will not only replace them, but further improve Carlton?

Oh my.

 

[Arr0w]

Pies in Mexico but apparently we have a depth problem

Oh my

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Carlton were playing their absolute best footy at the tail end of 2023, when all of those 5 departed players were available, yet still fell short of genuinely contending for a premiership.

And you're hoping the kids will not only replace them, but further improve Carlton?

Oh my.

Its called development! I know the geriatric Pies have pissed away all their draft picks for the last few years but believe it or not kids can come in and have an impact!