Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

[Fadge]

Shortest pre season in history apparently. Didn't seem to bother Brisbane funnily enough

It did actually.

You might have noticed they were 2 and 5 at one stage of the season.

Couldn't do enough to finish top 4, but played a magnificent finals series to win the flag.

Credit to them, they've been knocking on the door for a few years now. Illustrative of how difficult it is to win a flag.

 

[Fadge]

I'd rather the top 3 pick thanks. Half backs are not our biggest issue atm

But good to know Carltons half backers are all a concern due to aging yet Collingwood with the oldest list in the comp will have no issues?

Safe to say that if a significant upgrade on any of Collingwood's aging players was available, we would have aggressively gone for it.

That's what good clubs do - continually improve their list.

 

[Fadge]

I'm still waiting on the "analysis" as the why Carlton didn't finish in 13th, but the Pies finishing in mexico

There's been plenty of it, not our fault you either choose to ignore it or don't understand it.

But Carlton have peaked beautifully. Three consecutive seasons of 12, 13 and 13 wins to 'contend' for a top 8 position, without getting anywhere near premiership contention.

Now they've taken a step back to plan for the medium term, at a time when their top 6 players (a top 6 that Carlton rely on more than any other club in the competition) are in the prime of their careers.

Magnificently played, Carlton - you never fail to disappoint.

 

[carlton_99]

He largely plays the useless spud role when he's in the team.
Can't believe you : a. Recruited him, and b. Haven't delisted him

lol

 

[Robertio]

Injuries to other small forwards …. Orazio Fantasialand , Martin … lookout.

Who have the Pies got in reserve?

 

[Robertio]

I'm assuming " Cottrell role" is codename for being a useless massive spud then.

I thought Shultz was the codename.

 

[Robertio]

There's been plenty of it, not our fault you either choose to ignore it or don't understand it.

But Carlton have peaked beautifully. Three consecutive seasons of 12, 13 and 13 wins to 'contend' for a top 8 position, without getting anywhere near premiership contention.

Now they've taken a step back to plan for the medium term, at a time when their top 6 players (a top 6 that Carlton rely on more than any other club in the competition) are in the prime of their careers.

Magnificently played, Carlton - you never fail to disappoint.

It's only your opinion they've taken a step back though, you have no idea what they have planned.

 

[Robertio]

Safe to say that if a significant upgrade on any of Collingwood's aging players was available, we would have aggressively gone for it.

That's what good clubs do - continually improve their list.

Going well so far, premiers to ninth.

 

[Osc1]

It's only your opinion they've taken a step back though, you have no idea what they have planned.

Vadge is always wrong but never in doubt.

 

[Fadge]

I thought Shultz was the codename.

Interesting that you're applauding Carlton's delisting of Owies, as despite kicking 33 goals, he didn't apply forward pressure, yet bagging Schultz who was awarded the Gavin Brown 'Defensive Pressure' Award by his coaches, courtesy of his forward pressure...

 

[Robertio]

Interesting that you're applauding Carlton's delisting of Owies, as despite kicking 33 goals, he didn't apply forward pressure, yet bagging Schultz who was awarded the Gavin Brown 'Defensive Pressure' Award by his coaches, courtesy of his forward pressure...

How did McCrae let that happen, surely he would've wanted Naicos to win it?

 

[Fadge]

It's only your opinion they've taken a step back though, you have no idea what they have planned.

No, it's fact based on the list changes they've made that are there for all to see.

Now you're hoping for internal improvement and/or immediate impact of your new draftees, which would have happened anyway with or without the retention of the durable and reliable Kennedy and Owies.

 

[Robertio]

No, it's fact based on the list changes they've made that are there for all to see.

Now you're hoping for internal improvement and/or immediate impact of your new draftees, which would have happened anyway with or without the retention of the durable and reliable Kennedy and Owies.

As i said your opinion, Cerra for Kennedy, Lord for Carrol and Moir for Owies, looks better to me and don't forget an elite mid at 3 and I'm enjoying the ignorant ratings on the Campo twins.

 

[Arr0w]

There's been plenty of it, not our fault you either choose to ignore it or don't understand it.

But Carlton have peaked beautifully. Three consecutive seasons of 12, 13 and 13 wins to 'contend' for a top 8 position, without getting anywhere near premiership contention.

Now they've taken a step back to plan for the medium term, at a time when their top 6 players (a top 6 that Carlton rely on more than any other club in the competition) are in the prime of their careers.

Magnificently played, Carlton - you never fail to disappoint.

Still couldn't answer the question, here are your predictions/" analysis" for the last 3 Carlton seasons

2022 8 wins, 50% out
2023 & 2024, 13th

Where is your analytical data for these fail predictions and your thesis as to why they were fail predictions

Oh boy, this will be entertaining

 

[Scritchyscroony]

I thought Shultz was the codename.

Fantasia makes Schultz look like he was worth pick 10 and a second rounder!

He was useless at Essendon, useless at Port and then Carlton came along and said yep, we've seen enough, let's poach this guy.

 

[Robertio]

Fantasia makes Schultz look like he was worth pick 10 and a second rounder!

He was useless at Essendon, useless at Port and then Carlton came along and said yep, we've seen enough, let's poach this guy.

We didn't give up a 1st and 2nd for him though, big difference.

 

[Fadge]

As i said your opinion, Cerra for Kennedy, Lord for Carrol and Moir for Owies, looks better to me and don't forget an elite mid at 3 and I'm enjoying the ignorant ratings on the Campo twins.

But those 3 are already at your club.

Cerra struggles to get on the park, and you're relying on upside from Lord and Moir.

If they overtake them, then great. If they don't, then you'd still have Kennedy and Owies.

Campo twins were always going to get to Carlton. Could have been done by basic pick swaps.

 

[Arr0w]

Pies embarrassing themselves now, trying to have a footy conversation with bits of taco shells stuck to their faces

 

[Robertio]

But those 3 are already at your club.

Cerra struggles to get on the park, and you're relying on upside from Lord and Moir.

If they overtake them, then great. If they don't, then you'd still have Kennedy and Owies.

Campo twins were always going to get to Carlton. Could have been done by basic pick swaps.

You're finally getting it, we have enough young players to hopefully improve from within, would like a tall back for depth and they'll probably address that.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

We didn't give up a 1st and 2nd for him though, big difference.

Fair call. Carlton are better than us at bargain hunting for useless junk to stick on the list.

 

[Fadge]

Fair call. Carlton are better than us at bargain hunting for useless junk to stick on the list.

Remember the GWS rejects they picked up for a steal circa 2016?

'Salary Dumps' I think was the term they used....

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Remember the GWS rejects they picked up for a steal circa 2016?

'Salary Dumps' I think was the term they used....

SOS sold them an absolute basket of lemons.

 

[Fadge]

SOS sold them an absolute basket of lemons.

And wasn't it magnificent!

They really do not get this list management thing, do they?

 

[Robertio]

Remember the GWS rejects they picked up for a steal circa 2016?

'Salary Dumps' I think was the term they used....

This thread is about 2025.

 

[Worm4]

Interesting that you're applauding Carlton's delisting of Owies, as despite kicking 33 goals, he didn't apply forward pressure, yet bagging Schultz who was awarded the Gavin Brown 'Defensive Pressure' Award by his coaches, courtesy of his forward pressure...

Thats an indictment on your playing list that Schitz won an award this season mearly for participation. Its like the coaches award in junior footy when most of the team get a trophy, and the fat little dud in the corner isn't left out so they make up an award for him to ensure that he doesn't go home crying that night