Worst list in the AFL at present?

[Bradkli]

A like for the fact as an opposition supporter you've recognised Z Guthrie.

Has the game sense and disposal to be a Mackie type. Bit from that level but came along leaps and bounds last year after a lot of patience shown by the club

His improvement last season was massive..he also put on good size. Looked stronger in 2022. After watching him 2021 I thought he would struggle to make it at AFL level. He looked solid down back last seasons Could easily see him playing further up the ground if needed. His skills are underrated. Going to be a very good player.

 

[Purple Suit]

We have 28 players under 25.

Only a troll or a dumb **** would say none have any class and the rebuild hasnt started there. Its been going for 2 drafts.

Stop posting mate you are looking like a tool.

28 players under 25. Just think about that for a minute before posting again. That close to 70% of the list under 25.

As for Darling being Fyfe's height? Who GAF. Darling would be Freo's best KP forward, if you had one as good Freo might get somewhere.

Looking forward to your next comedy post, we really are.

If you could read it would help, I'm talking specifically about your forward line which you think is better than Freo's. I assume Allen is 25 or close enough and no one I've seen doing anything except the older players and no draft capital has been spent there lately.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

People thought Carlton nailed the 2010 draft as well...

Did they? I remember people liking Watson but hardly think anyone was frothing over speculative talls beyond the third round.

 

[My Tilly]

Hipwood 26
McKay 25
Larkey 25
Naughton 24
Forgarty 24
Allen 24
Lewis 24
Marshall 24
That's 6-8 years in the system and they will play roughly 15 years so that would be half their career already over but if you say they are young then...

I put ugle hagan in the category as a gun although he didn't kick 50 last season, the others probably won't make it as they have entered their prime and haven't shown very much as a key forward, second string sure but key, definetly not.

Windhager destroyed your midfield round 9 last year, mustn't of watched it or very much of him.
NWM, Windhager, Sharman and Michito are under 20.
You clearly have no knowledge about St Kilda and am claiming we are no good although you are ignorant about the state of our list.

Stengle had one good season and many bad ones at Crows but already elite. You're delusional.
Ollie Henry is a third string forward, when you lose Hawkins and then Cameron he would be able to hold up your forward line by himself.
Close is good and might get there but I doubt it as small forwards either enter the AFL elite or they become serviceable small forwards.
Again De Koning and Holmes are you only really good young players.

25 is young as a key forward. I was under the impression Eric Hipwood was 24, so maybe I'm wrong on that.
Windhager is going to be good but he has not shown as much as what Max Holmes has. In fact, I'm happy to make a bet with you that Max Holmes will take the competition by storm in 2023 whereas your bloke will be up and down inconsistently for a few years to come.

Max King won't be doing much this year anyway. 2024 he should be back with a bang.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Yet you continue to defend your list when a mere suggestion that you guys will be near the bottom pops up

which one is it? you guys will be s**t or you guys will not be bottom 4?

We might be neither, but again you continue to ignore the context of my posts.
I’ve argued against very specific claims, like that Hawthorn traded out players for nothing, or that Hawthorn are a lock for the spoon, or that Hawthorn don’t have a number 1 ruck to replace McEvoy.

 

[Yoda_]

We might be neither, but again you continue to ignore the context of my posts.
I’ve argued against very specific claims, like that Hawthorn traded out players for nothing, or that Hawthorn are a lock for the spoon, or that Hawthorn don’t have a number 1 ruck to replace McEvoy

No one is suggesting you traded out experienced players for nothing, your argument makes it sound like losing any and all of Titch, JOM, McEvoy, Shiels and Gunston won't hamper you in 2023. We both know it certainly will however you want to spin it.


I have not once said Hawthorn are a lock for the spoon, have suggested they are a lock for bottom 4.

As for your rucks, you had a kid whom you played but then brought in another seemingly at the same point in his career to compete with the incumbent #1 ruckman. That says to me you are not settled on who is the number 1.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

No one is suggesting you traded out experienced players for nothing, your argument makes it sound like losing any and all of Titch, JOM, McEvoy, Shiels and Gunston won't hamper you in 2023. We both know it certainly will however you want to spin it.

Then you’re either blind or thick. That’s what the two blue boys amongst others have been posting for weeks.

As for your rucks, you had a kid whom you played but then brought in another seemingly at the same point in his career to compete with the incumbent #1 ruckman. That says to me you are not settled on who is the number 1.

Then you’ve not considers that both will play, and alternate forward.

 

[Yoda_]

Then you’ve not considers that both will play, and alternate forward.

Would that not be more evidence that neither is a clear cut number 1 ruck?

 

[dinnaz]

What a d*** measuring contest.
However worst list in my mind has to be broken into 2 categories

Short Term (2023):
North will still suck but be more competitive. Clearly the worst list
Hawthorns shit rebuild will see them struggle.
Adelaide will be solid but the kind of team that will lose a lot of close games 13th
GWS shouldnt be as bad as they were, but have a lot of holes on their list. New coach might take a year to settle.
West Coast should be just outside of finals.


Long Term (2024-2026 Multiple top 4 finishes):
Port: In for a bad time, likely sack Hinkley and bottom out for a year or two
West Coast: Building but still not perennial bottom 4. Thinking multiple 12-13 finishes.
Richmond: will go back to being irrelevant with little upside on their books long term.
Hawthorn: will still be congratulating themselves on having "direction". May flirt with finals but wont peak yet
Geelong will fall off a cliff but wont bottom out too bad.
North: Finals by 2026. Slow burn but already have better youth on their books than Hawthorn/WCE/GWS

St Kilda: I can see a few finals berths but wont realistically have sustained success. Lyon will manage them to mid table finishes
Essendon: Will make a few finals, maybe even win one, have the makings of a decent team, just need stability and to reailise they are mediocre now to plan for the future. Reid is a gun and will stiffen them up.

 

[MickG88]

Windhager is going to be good but he has not shown as much as what Max Holmes has. In fact, I'm happy to make a bet with you that Max Holmes will take the competition by storm in 2023 whereas your bloke will be up and down inconsistently for a few years to come.

Interesting, considering they play different position it might be hard to determine who is better at the end of 2023.
Are we going to base it on BnF or Brownlow, maybe CA?

Max King won't be doing much this year anyway. 2024 he should be back with a bang.

15 -17 rounds are plenty to make an impact, why do people think he's going to miss a whole season. 20 weeks from the start of December means he could be realistically back by round 5-8

 

[Psicosis]

Saints definitely the list I’d least like to take over if I was a coach looking at building sustainable success.

That said, definitely understand why Eagles and Hawks are taking out the poll given their lack of elite young talent.

 

[Shadow89]

Posted similar in another thread last week…

Geelong’s “cliff”’is simply not going to happen..your team next season will be stronger then the 2022 side.

Guys like bowes, bruhn & ollie Henry will be much better players than at their previous clubs playing in the Geelong team and system. All 3 will be best 22 by round 15.

-SDK is already an elite defender
-Holmes is bordering an elite wingman and will transition into a midfielder. He has the potential to be a top 10 mid in the league by the end of 2024.

• Stengle is already an elite small forward
• close, miers and z.Guthrie were all brilliant second half of last season.
• Henry is severely underrated. Can be one of the games best swingman.

The cats are a lock for top 4 and another prelim. The team to beat again in 2023.

Yet another reason why our rivalry is a true one - still mass respect between clubs despite our loathing of each other on the field, haha.

Absolutely nailed it - and great to see that an oppo poster is so able to eloquently highlight our current position. Kudos

 

[WillHayward]

Why on earth are the cats even being discussed in here?

Plenty of threads to talk cats and they have the best current list by a country mile.

The cliff ain't coming anytime soon after this year's trade period which they absolutely dominated in.

 

[lewdogs]

25 is young as a key forward. I was under the impression Eric Hipwood was 24, so maybe I'm wrong on that.
Windhager is going to be good but he has not shown as much as what Max Holmes has. In fact, I'm happy to make a bet with you that Max Holmes will take the competition by storm in 2023 whereas your bloke will be up and down inconsistently for a few years to come.

Max King won't be doing much this year anyway. 2024 he should be back with a bang.

You literally stated we have a similar aged 22 to the Cats. Rather than admit you're wrong about it you keep doubling down, and you're now going on about the Cats.

I'd say whatever you think of our list is fairly useless considering you clearly know nothing about it. It's odd you even feel the need to comment about it honestly. I don't comment about the Cats list because I don't know much about it but assume it's pretty bloody good considering you just won the flag. We won half our games with the hardest draw in the comp yet apparently we've got the worst list in the league. Yeah ok.

 

[My Tilly]

You literally stated we have a similar aged 22 to the Cats. Rather than admit you're wrong about it you keep doubling down, and you're now going on about the Cats.

I'd say whatever you think of our list is fairly useless considering you clearly know nothing about it. It's odd you even feel the need to comment about it honestly. I don't comment about the Cats list because I don't know much about it but assume it's pretty bloody good considering you just won the flag. We won half our games with the hardest draw in the comp yet apparently we've got the worst list in the league. Yeah ok.

I'm pretty satisfied with my comments in this thread.
Your list is not in good shape.
I really couldn't care less about excuses such as strength of schedule. You had easier fixtures years previously and did diddly-squat.

If you guys fail to fire a shot this year, do you really believe you are better placed in 2024 given the bulk of your best 22 is already well and truly into it's 'prime' years?

 

[lewdogs]

I'm pretty satisfied with my comments in this thread.
Your list is not in good shape.
I really couldn't care less about excuses such as strength of schedule. You had easier fixtures years previously and did diddly-squat.

If you guys fail to fire a shot this year, do you really believe you are better placed in 2024 given the bulk of your best 22 is already well and truly into it's 'prime' years?

If you're satisfied with your comment that we have a similar aged 22 to Geelong good for you, but you obviously don't value facts or know anything about our list so your opinion on it is useless.

 

[MickG88]

Saints definitely the list I’d least like to take over if I was a coach looking at building sustainable success.

So Ross Lyon turning down both Carlton and Essendon because they weren't the right list for him, he just decides to take a "trash" list for the fun if it.
So, you know more about football than Ross Lyon, cool story bro.

 

[MickG88]

I really couldn't care less about excuses such as strength of schedule. You had easier fixtures years previously and did diddly-squat.

Untrue, we have had one of the hardest draws for the last several years. Clearly you know nothing about the Saints.

 

[MickG88]

If you guys fail to fire a shot this year, do you really believe you are better placed in 2024 given the bulk of your best 22 is already well and truly into it's 'prime' years?

I listed 14 players on our list that are under 25 years old and are best 22 but you continue to state that the bulk of our team is in their prime.
That list also didn't have any of the draft picks from the 2022 draft.

 

[My Tilly]

Untrue, we have had one of the hardest draws for the last several years. Clearly you know nothing about the Saints.

Good sides beat whoever is on the menu.
Really, it's embarrassing some supporters are using it as an excuse. It may reflect some of the players psyche if that is the case.

Really felt Saints would make finals last year but their second half was appalling. At one point, you guys won 1 game in 6 weeks of footy! Really, you cannot blame that on the fixture. That is simply poor quality at the top level.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Hawks & Roos currently have worst lists but understandable rebuilding.

Both St Kilda & West Coast most concerning as in no man's land.

 

[Bradkli]

Hawks & Roos currently have worst lists but understandable rebuilding.

Both St Kilda & West Coast most concerning as in no man's land.

Correct. Both us and north will fly past the eagles and saints by the end of 2024. Those two teams are in big trouble. Will be stuck in 10-16 range for a long time. Lists are good enough to win 8-10 games.

 

[janty]

Channel 7 commentary team.

 

[dazzledavey36]

1. West Coast
2. Hawthorn
3. Adelaide
4. St kilda.

 

[Bradkli]

Hawks & Roos currently have worst lists but understandable rebuilding.

Both St Kilda & West Coast most concerning as in no man's land.

Correct. Both us and north will fly past the eagles and saints by the end of 2024. Those two teams are in big trouble. Will be stuck in 10-16 range for a long time. Lists are good enough to win 8-10 games.