Covid-19 Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Part 4 - Ivermectin doesn't work either.

[Chief]

Continued in Part 5:

Covid-19 - Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Part 5 - Get vaccinated.

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/in-focus/covid-19-vaccination-case-surveillance-051121.pdf In the peak fortnight of the outbreak to date (25 August to 7 September), the COVID-19 case rate among 2-dose vaccinated people was 49.5 per 100,000 while in unvaccinated...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[Chief]

So the CHO recommending under 50s away from AZ. Good thing we’ve got heaps of Pzifer... oh wait.

More lockdowns, border closures etc to come! Fantastic!

Silly knee-jerk reaction.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Warning. May cause blood clots

 

[Marcel Proust]

Silly knee-jerk reaction.

Professor Wei Shen Lim warns younger people to not get AZ vax.

chairman of the COVID-19 subcommittee of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation...

 

[mcnulty]

Silly knee-jerk reaction.

I agree. You’re ok if you’re 51 but not if you’re 49. It’s either safe or it’s not. Think this is more about the optics, particularly for those who are hesitant/sceptical.

 

[owen87]

You’re ok if you’re 51 but not if you’re 49

This is consistently the most idiotic argument people use.

WHY ARE YOU SAFE AT 100 BUT NOT 101

WHY CAN YOU VOTE AT 18 BUT NOT 17

WHY ARE YOU NOT DRUNK AT .049 BUT YOU ARE AT .05

 

[mcnulty]

This is consistently the most idiotic argument people use.

WHY ARE YOU SAFE AT 100 BUT NOT 101

WHY CAN YOU VOTE AT 18 BUT NOT 17

WHY ARE YOU NOT DRUNK AT .049 BUT YOU ARE AT .05

So arbitrary then. And 20 years different from the arbitrary UK cutoff. Based on one local case.

On the bright side, they get some cover for their dismally slow rollout.

 

[owen87]

So arbitrary then. And 20 years different from the arbitrary UK cutoff. Based on one local case.

On the bright side, they get some cover for their dismally slow rollout.

Where do you draw the line? Somehwere is the answer.

So again, it's one of the most consistently idiotic lines of argument people use.

 

[Financialpanther]

Where do you draw the line? Somehwere is the answer.

So again, it's one of the most consistently idiotic lines of argument people use.

I prefer to call them bracket creeps.

 

[mcnulty]

Where do you draw the line? Somehwere is the answer.

So again, it's one of the most consistently idiotic lines of argument people use.

Or you don’t draw a line. You can also continue to vaccinate everyone or vaccinate no one. No one is arguing that about voting age.

 

[MrKK]

Folks who put excessive faith in our politicians and bureaucrats the past 12 months are now discovering they are just as useless and full of s**t as they've always been.

 

[andrewmillman]

Or you don’t draw a line. This is where your analogies collapse.

Its called weighing up the risks. Some people above 50 may take it and die, many below 50 may take it and be fine. But 50 is where they see the risk vs reward profiles of younger people taking the vaccine vs older people getting covid and the like of being appropriately drawn.

 

[mcnulty]

Folks who put excessive faith in our politicians and bureaucrats the past 12 months are now discovering they are just as useless and full of sh*t as they've always been.

No, they are capable of making good and bad decisions. We’ve seen plenty of both.

 

[mcnulty]

Its called weighing up the risks. Some people above 50 may take it and die, many below 50 may take it and be fine. But 50 is where they see the risk vs reward profiles of younger people taking the vaccine vs older people getting covid and the like of being appropriately drawn.

I understand that, but this is massively different from the UK cutoff and based on far less local data. If the guy who got the clot was 24 rather than 44, would be be doing the same as the UK?

 

[Crankyhawk]

I understand that, but this is massively different from the UK cutoff and based on far less local data. If the guy who got the clot was 24 rather than 44, would be be doing the same as the UK?

It is stupid to make decisions based on a rare event when incidence is very rubbery

 

[owen87]

Or you don’t draw a line. You can also continue to vaccinate everyone or vaccinate no one. No one is arguing that about voting age.

Yeah that's also a stupid line of argument.

DO EVERYTHING OR DON'T DO ANYTHING.

 

[mcnulty]

Yeah that's also a stupid line of argument.

DO EVERYTHING OR DON'T DO ANYTHING.

No, shouty boy. They are options on the table. A line doesn’t have to be drawn. I think they’ve overreacted, some might think they’ve not gone far enough. Time will tell.

 

[Hornberger]

No, shouty boy. They are options on the table. A line doesn’t have to be drawn. I think they’ve overreacted, some might think they’ve not gone far enough. Time will tell.

It is a straightforward cost - benefit analysis.

Young people are at the lowest risk of covid, but have a higher risk of blood clotting . Old people are at greater risk from covid, but have lower risk from blood clotting.

In the first diagrams, the cost-benefit analysis for the under 30's in a low covid environment is negative whereas the cost-benefit analysis for the over 60's is massively positive. In the second diagrams, the cost-benefit analysis in a high covid environment is positive for everyone.

 

[mcnulty]

It is a straightforward cost - benefit analysis.

Young people are at the lowest risk of covid, but have a higher risk of blood clotting . Old people are at greater risk from covid, but have lower risk from blood clotting.

In the first diagrams, the cost-benefit analysis for the under 30's in a low covid environment is negative whereas the cost-benefit analysis for the over 60's is massively positive. In the second diagrams, the cost-benefit analysis in a high covid environment is positive for everyone.

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All well and good and I understand their thinking, but “the younger people are at lowest risk” line has been one of the most repeated and disastrous refrains through this whole ordeal. They might not be as at risk but they remain very good at transmission.

This argument is in full swing in the States atm as they appear to be sleepwalking into another wave. “Doesn’t matter, it’s just the young this time..”. In addition, some of the new variants seem to be more serious for younger people.

We’re still in a good place here but our rollout, already woefully slow, is going to be further compromised. Just means other measures will have to be airtight for longer. Hope we get away with it.

Canada's 3rd wave of COVID-19 is 'killing faster and younger' and is fueled by new variants

"The people filling the ICU right now are all in their 30s, 40s, and 50s," one emergency physician in Toronto said.

www.google.com.au

 

[King Elvis]

Professor Wei Shen Lim warns younger people to not get AZ.

chairman of the COVID-19 subcommittee of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation...

Once again - none of this makes any sense.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Once again - none of this makes any sense.

Some educated economy types saying -

The upcoming financial crisis twice as bad as 2008 - corona related

 

[eddiesmith]

Silly knee-jerk reaction.

Lockdowns? Of course they are but some governments still think they’re the only option.

 

[Total_Juddshanks]

Extrapolate forward to about August, and Australia is going to be in an awkward position due to the * ups and failures happening right now.

By that time, the UK and USA will be have across the board immunity, their borders and societies completely open- for all intents the pandemic will be over there. Most of Europe, Canada and the rest of the Western world will be getting close to that point also.

Meanwhile we will be.. hiding behind closed borders, waiting for our Pfizer vaccines to arrive so we can start our vaccination program in earnest? In terms of its effect on tourism, international education etc, its hard to overstate how bad that will be for the economy- if you're a student looking to start or continue a 4 year degree at an english speaking university, you're not going to wait to see if Australia is going to get its s**t together. You're going to go to the UK/USA or Canada and not look back.

Just to be clear about what we should have done differently.

- We shouldn't have put all our eggs in one basket with Astrazeneca
- We absolutely shouldn't have waited for the TGA to go through its ordinary approval processes. Like seriously, what did that three month delay actually achieve- they didn't spot the problems with AZ, they didn't achieve anything except pointlessly slowing the roll out and putting us well behind international pace.
- We should have gone straight to mass vaccination centres and pharmacy rollouts rather than the absurd fiction that a GP is required to give someone a needle.
- We shouldn't be pausing a program because of an extremely rare side effect- far rarer than the side effects of many common meds like the Pill.

If you put the huge flow on costs of a closed border and snap lockdowns whenever a case gets through alongside the costs of doing a vaccination program right, its just a no brainer.

From start to finish, this has been a shambolic, incompetent effort by a shambolic incompetent federal department.

Truly, we would have been served if the states had gone it alone.

 

[Chief]

Lockdowns? Of course they are but some governments still think they’re the only option.

Oh u card!!!!!!

 

[mcnulty]

Extrapolate forward to about August, and Australia is going to be in an awkward position due to the fu** ups and failures happening right now.

By that time, the UK and USA will be have across the board immunity, their borders and societies completely open- for all intents the pandemic will be over there. Most of Europe, Canada and the rest of the Western world will be getting close to that point also.

Meanwhile we will be.. hiding behind closed borders, waiting for our Pfizer vaccines to arrive so we can start our vaccination program in earnest? In terms of its effect on tourism, international education etc, its hard to overstate how bad that will be for the economy- if you're a student looking to start or continue a 4 year degree at an english speaking university, you're not going to wait to see if Australia is going to get its sh*t together. You're going to go to the UK/USA or Canada and not look back.

Just to be clear about what we should have done differently.

- We shouldn't have put all our eggs in one basket with Astrazeneca
- We absolutely shouldn't have waited for the TGA to go through its ordinary approval processes. Like seriously, what did that three month delay actually achieve- they didn't spot the problems with AZ, they didn't achieve anything except pointlessly slowing the roll out and putting us well behind international pace.
- We should have gone straight to mass vaccination centres and pharmacy rollouts rather than the absurd fiction that a GP is required to give someone a needle.
- We shouldn't be pausing a program because of an extremely rare side effect- far rarer than the side effects of many common meds like the Pill.

If you put the huge flow on costs of a closed border and snap lockdowns whenever a case gets through alongside the costs of doing a vaccination program right, its just a no brainer.

From start to finish, this has been a shambolic, incompetent effort by a shambolic incompetent federal department.

Truly, we would have been served if the states had gone it alone.

It’s a debacle. And additionally it plays into all the misinformation about vaccines already in community. It seriously jeopardises the rollout, and will no doubt be used by the loons to bludgeon vaccines in general moving forward.

 

[M Malice]

It is a straightforward cost - benefit analysis.

Young people are at the lowest risk of covid, but have a higher risk of blood clotting . Old people are at greater risk from covid, but have lower risk from blood clotting.

In the first diagrams, the cost-benefit analysis for the under 30's in a low covid environment is negative whereas the cost-benefit analysis for the over 60's is massively positive. In the second diagrams, the cost-benefit analysis in a high covid environment is positive for everyone.

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All government decisions are a cost benefit analysis, dollar wise and life and death wise, that's why we have health budgets.

On masks > https://www.ecotextile.com/20210401...ve-chemical-cocktail-found-in-face-masks.html

Top German scientists have found that wearing certain types of face masks for long periods of time could result in potentially hazardous chemicals and harmful microplastics being inhaled deep into human lungs.

Initial analytical tests by both of these experts have now thrown into doubt the wisdom of whether people should be wearing certain types of masks for hours on end. Particularly schoolchildren, factory workers and long-haul flyers who may be at a greater risk from the long-term damage to lungs through exposure to both restricted chemistry and microplastics – perhaps outweighing the short-term risk of any exposure to the coronavirus?

Separate studies by Dr. Sedlak have also shown the presence of compounds such as 2-butanone oxime (carcinogenic) blocked diisocyanates used as crosslinkers for perfluorocarbons (PFCs) on face masks. Used in the textile sector as oil and water repellents on fabrics, by-products of PFCs are known to be bio-persistent and their use is heavily restricted by authorities in Europe and the USA. Last year, a group of US scientists called for all per- and poly-fluorinated substances (PFAS) to be treated as one single class of chemistry and said they should be avoided for non-essential uses due to their hazardous toxicological and eco-toxicological profile.