Covid-19 Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Part 4 - Ivermectin doesn't work either.

[Chief]

Continued in Part 5:

Covid-19 - Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Part 5 - Get vaccinated.

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/in-focus/covid-19-vaccination-case-surveillance-051121.pdf In the peak fortnight of the outbreak to date (25 August to 7 September), the COVID-19 case rate among 2-dose vaccinated people was 49.5 per 100,000 while in unvaccinated...

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[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

LOL yeah right.

Now now, it would only be consistent.

 

[owen87]

Original W.A govt plan was for 600 hospitalisations. In March 2020, they dedicated a hospital entirely to Covid in emergency situations (hospital for elective surgery). That hospital has 738 beds. That would be the minimum issue so would allow for 5 x growth

How are those spare beds holding up now with 0 community transmission?

Achieved it most of the time isnt a actual thing. They have taken the approach of treating this more serious then the concept of more of the time. its clearly set as a all of the time situation. We havnt achieved 0 all of the time. This means we failed.

Well, it kind of is. Richmond didn't win 100% of the time last year yet still won the grand final. You like to make things black and white, when in reality, the world isn't black and white.

The Govt is allowed to assume failiure? Talk about one extreme to the other. You simply need to set goals and achieve them. I expect this of a 14 year old, never mind the actual govt

The Government is setting a low bar so that people don't complain if borders aren't opened by the end of 2021, and if they are, how good do they look. Literally Politics 101.

 

[Crankyhawk]

How are those spare beds holding up now with 0 community transmission?

Im sure those beds have been repurposed for non covid work

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

How are those spare beds holding up now with 0 community transmission? - In all honesty fine. Breast implants are hugely up in W.A as people cant travel elsewhere to get them. Its at record highs.



Well, it kind of is. Richmond didn't win 100% of the time last year yet still won the grand final. You like to make things black and white, when in reality, the world isn't black and white. - We set the goal to win every single game? Not win the flag. You cant ignore the goals set to say if you achieved your goal or not. The McGowans govts goal isnt to win the flag. Its to never lose a game. He has failed that multiple times



The Government is setting a low bar so that people don't complain if borders aren't opened by the end of 2021, and if they are, how good do they look. Literally Politics 101. - Accepting mediocrity doesnt make it okay. Its still mediocrity in the same place you are wanting perfection. Its absurd

Thats my answers

 

[owen87]

Thats my answers

Nonsense answers.

You need to live in reality instead of fantasy land.

Black & White thinking isn't reality.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Nonsense answers.

You need to live in reality instead of fantasy land.

Black & White thinking isn't reality.

Im as far away from black and white as you can get in that im able to accept the large and widespread impact of a decision

Escaping reality is when you make a decision and decide to define the impact of that decision in extremely narrow terms based on the goals you set, therefore refusing to accept the negatives of anything you do. This is the mere cult of the lockdown lover, hence the inability to deal with reality

 

[Better Loosen Up]

Do you think if Ballarat was rife with covid with no cases in Melb they'd shut the state down?

How many people in Ballarat have holiday houses in Melbourne?

 

[CatFan79]

How many people in Ballarat have holiday houses in Melbourne?

Considering the demographics involved how many people in the 'hot spots' in Melb have holiday houses anywhere? I'm going with none.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Considering the demographics involved how many people in the 'hot spots' in Melb have holiday houses anywhere? I'm going with none.

Really?

Most aged care workers I know have alteast one beachside house in Bondi next door to Chris Hemsworth

 

[owen87]

Im as far away from black and white as you can get in that im able to accept the large and widespread impact of a decision

Escaping reality is when you make a decision and decide to define the impact of that decision in extremely narrow terms based on the goals you set, therefore refusing to accept the negatives of anything you do. This is the mere cult of the lockdown lover, hence the inability to deal with reality

If you're not a black & white thinker in the real world, you do a very poor job of conveying that here.

We're dealing with humans, whatever measures the government takes is always going to be at risk of human error occurring. So they should have spent the last year or so building more facilities like Howard Springs that reduce the opportunity for human error to occur. Instead they've left the states hung out to dry using HQ which is simply not fit for purpose.

Australia has been exceedingly successful (as has NZ) of maintaining 0 community spread for long periods of time.

If your argument is "BUT IT'S A FAILURE BECAUSE IT'S NOT 100% OF THE TIME" then that's exactly the black & white thinking I'm talking about.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

If you're not a black & white thinker in the real world, you do a very poor job of conveying that here. - Ditto id say

We're dealing with humans, whatever measures the government takes is always going to be at risk of human error occurring. So they should have spent the last year or so building more facilities like Howard Springs that reduce the opportunity for human error to occur. Instead they've left the states hung out to dry using HQ which is simply not fit for purpose. - Whats this got to do with anything? This is a excuse for there failure isnt it and previously you said they havnt failed? Which is it

Australia has been exceedingly successful (as has NZ) of maintaining 0 community spread for long periods of time. - I dont set the goals. Mark McGowan does. If he had been exceedingly succesful he wouldnt have failed twice in the space of 3 months and need further lockdownas. The paragraph above makes no sense

If your argument is "BUT IT'S A FAILURE BECAUSE IT'S NOT 100% OF THE TIME" then that's exactly the black & white thinking I'm talking about. - Mark McGowans thinking isnt something ill take ownership over. Go see him about it. If its not a failure why does he apologise for each lockdown we have had?

Answers above

Disappointed you keep dodging the lack of responsibility people are taking for the negatives of lockdown. Cant even acknowledge them in the slightest it seems which is sad

 

[owen87]

Answers above

Disappointed you keep dodging the lack of responsibility people are taking for the negatives of lockdown. Cant even acknowledge them in the slightest it seems which is sad

I keep commenting because your posts regularly miss the mark by such a wide margin.

MARC MCGOWAN HAS FAILED TO ACHIEVE 0 FOR 100% OF THE TIME SO THEREFORE HIS ENTIRE STRATEGY IS A FAILURE AND WE SHOULD GET RID OF IT.

That's black and white thinking.

You're not interested in a discussion. You're interested in an echo chamber.

Governments (and any organisation or group) have to plan for human error. That's the number one thing everyone should take away from this pandemic. Every single plan has fallen down because of human error, and any plan designed without considering human error, is a bad plan.

The Government can have a target of 0 community transmission, achieve it for the vast majority of the time, have the occasional period of time where it's not 0, and not be a failure. In the same sense that Richmond can set out to win every game, lose a couple, but ultimately win the GF and call the season a success.

We keep coming back to your black and white thinking.

I'm not 'dodging' anything, because you consistently make appallingly inaccurate and unrealistic commentary on things.

 

[Seeds]

I keep commenting because your posts regularly miss the mark by such a wide margin.

MARC MCGOWAN HAS FAILED TO ACHIEVE 0 FOR 100% OF THE TIME SO THEREFORE HIS ENTIRE STRATEGY IS A FAILURE AND WE SHOULD GET RID OF IT.

That's black and white thinking.

You're not interested in a discussion. You're interested in an echo chamber.

Governments (and any organisation or group) have to plan for human error. That's the number one thing everyone should take away from this pandemic. Every single plan has fallen down because of human error, and any plan designed without considering human error, is a bad plan.

The Government can have a target of 0 community transmission, achieve it for the vast majority of the time, have the occasional period of time where it's not 0, and not be a failure. In the same sense that Richmond can set out to win every game, lose a couple, but ultimately win the GF and call the season a success.

We keep coming back to your black and white thinking.

I'm not 'dodging' anything, because you consistently make appallingly inaccurate and unrealistic commentary on things.

I think the problem of 0 deaths strategy for an entire nation is not failure to achieve the goal. But doing what is necessary to achieve the goal. Because the cost is just too high.

with covid that will be true over the long run if vaccines aren’t super effective. You can do a big bang stimulus one year. You can’t do it over 5. You can lock people down from tge rest of the world for 1 year. you can’t do it for 5.

 

[Seeds]

japan is currently having 6 times the daily infections it was having when it cancelled the olympics last year.

so why have it go ahead this year? yes there are vaccines but they aren’t perfectly effective and not everyone going into or out of Japan will be vaccinated. Vaccination rates in Japan are also very low.

 

[Rob R]

japan is currently having 6 times the daily infections it was having when it cancelled the olympics last year.

so why have it go ahead this year? yes there are vaccines but they aren’t perfectly effective and not everyone going into or out of Japan will be vaccinated. Vaccination rates in Japan are also very low.

Should be postponed till next year and just scrap the winter olympics that even less people give a damn about.

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[eddiesmith]

How many people in Ballarat have holiday houses in Melbourne?

The problem with this excuse is last year they had different restrictions and bar one or 2 small outbreaks, 99% of regional Victoria remained Covid free. Still 18 months the vast majority of regional Victoria have had less than 5 cases ever!!!

QLD have twice locked down just Brisbane, no ring of marshmallows needed to enforce and no spread to the Gold Coast let alone regional QLD.

The whole problem is Victorian government believes of you can’t fine people then they won’t do it. So if they can’t set up a ring of marshmallows to fine people, it’s easier to punish virus free Regional Victoria. Much like how they made people who’d been in virus free Regional NSW isolate for 14 days despite being hundreds of kms from any cases. Most were closer to Melbourne than any virus cases.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

japan is currently having 6 times the daily infections it was having when it cancelled the olympics last year.

so why have it go ahead this year? yes there are vaccines but they aren’t perfectly effective and not everyone going into or out of Japan will be vaccinated. Vaccination rates in Japan are also very low.

Most Japanese want the games cancelled

Also there is talk all spectators will have to have neg test results to attend

 

[Seeds]

Most Japanese want the games cancelled

Also there is talk all spectators will have to have neg test results to attend

If it goes ahead it’s going to be a debacle. Instead of being seen as a way to bring the world together it will turn people against the games.

the olympics is supposed to be a festival. It won’t be a festival.


it needs to be postponed another year.

 

[CatFan79]

Really?

Most aged care workers I know have alteast one beachside house in Bondi next door to Chris Hemsworth

This thing is back in the same Melbourne 'communities', it's gonna go like wildfire just like it did last year...

Won't follow the rules, won't get tested, pack into houses like sardines.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

japan is currently having 6 times the daily infections it was having when it cancelled the olympics last year.

so why have it go ahead this year? yes there are vaccines but they aren’t perfectly effective and not everyone going into or out of Japan will be vaccinated. Vaccination rates in Japan are also very low.

Because at some point we just have to learn to live with this as best we can. Locking people inside for years to protect their health/save their lives sort of seems like a contradiction. You get away with it for a year. We all need to move on now. Just give the vaccine to the most vulnerable and try to get it out to others as soon as you can, and encourage good hygiene measures.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

This thing is back in the same Melbourne 'communities', it's gonna go like wildfire just like it did last year...

Won't follow the rules, won't get tested, pack into houses like sardines.

You're not wrong. Grit your teeth the further and further it drifts west.

 

[andrewmillman]

This thing is back in the same Melbourne 'communities', it's gonna go like wildfire just like it did last year...

Won't follow the rules, won't get tested, pack into houses like sardines.

I'd love if merlino took he same vigor that he takes tp his criticism of the feds, to criticising the communities the virus keeps spreading through Victoria in.
Cant do that though, they are his voters.

 

[MrKK]

I keep commenting because your posts regularly miss the mark by such a wide margin.

MARC MCGOWAN HAS FAILED TO ACHIEVE 0 FOR 100% OF THE TIME SO THEREFORE HIS ENTIRE STRATEGY IS A FAILURE AND WE SHOULD GET RID OF IT.

That's black and white thinking.

You're not interested in a discussion. You're interested in an echo chamber.

Governments (and any organisation or group) have to plan for human error. That's the number one thing everyone should take away from this pandemic. Every single plan has fallen down because of human error, and any plan designed without considering human error, is a bad plan.

The Government can have a target of 0 community transmission, achieve it for the vast majority of the time, have the occasional period of time where it's not 0, and not be a failure. In the same sense that Richmond can set out to win every game, lose a couple, but ultimately win the GF and call the season a success.

We keep coming back to your black and white thinking.

I'm not 'dodging' anything, because you consistently make appallingly inaccurate and unrealistic commentary on things.

The problem isn't human error; it's a failure to plan for human nature. Zero Covid will never be sustainable because people want to go to work, school, travel and socialise. We used to call that living, now it is some failure to behave correctly.

 

[Maddhew]

Weather aside, does anyone have an answer why this is happening again in Melbourne yet all other states have managed to quell outbreaks? All i hear from the state Govt is deflection and a lack accountability, is there something else happening?

 

[Crankyhawk]

Most Japanese want the games cancelled

Also there is talk all spectators will have to have neg test results to attend

I thought it was no spectators