Expansion A 2nd NRL team in Melbourne...

[littleduck]

same arguments apply surely.... local derbies bringing bigger crowds and the hope that one of the two teams are always in the top 4 or thereabouts. more clubs in the city spending more money on promotion at all levels.

 

[krisholio14]

same arguments apply surely.... local derbies bringing bigger crowds and the hope that one of the two teams are always in the top 4 or thereabouts. more clubs in the city spending more money on promotion at all levels.

You forget one little point. There are actually a fair amount of people who play footy in Sydney. Noone plays league in Melbourne.

 

[littleduck]

You forget one little point. There are actually a fair amount of people who play footy in Sydney. Noone plays league in Melbourne.

You forget one little point. West Sydney is not a grassroots-driven campaign for an AFL team... and neither was the Melbourne Storm I might add.

 

[krisholio14]

You forget one little point. West Sydney is not a grassroots-driven campaign for an AFL team... and neither was the Melbourne Storm I might add.

No, but at least some people play Aussie Rules out there. There are people out that way who are keen to get a side in also.

The strongest RL comp in Victoria isn't even in Melbourne.

The other thing to consider is that the Melbourne Storm only remain in Melbourne because the national competition would be an even bigger joke if we weren't there. Most Sydneysiders don't want us in the comp.

 

[A Living God]

Who will backroll this new club for the next 10 years?
Where do you except the supporters for this new club to come from?

 

[krisholio14]

Who will backroll this new club for the next 10 years?
Where do you except the supporters for this new club to come from?

Those are the questions he's asking us about a West Sydney team.

 

[littleduck]

No, but at least some people play Aussie Rules out there. There are people out that way who are keen to get a side in also.

The strongest RL comp in Victoria isn't even in Melbourne.

The other thing to consider is that the Melbourne Storm only remain in Melbourne because the national competition would be an even bigger joke if we weren't there. Most Sydneysiders don't want us in the comp.

True.

 

[A Living God]

Those are the questions he's asking us about a West Sydney team.

Those question can be answered for easily for a West Sydney team
The AFL
Western Sydney

More important question for the West Sydney is will they ever be viabile in their own right and will the people of West Sydney embrace a West Sydney team.

 

[littleduck]

More important question for the West Sydney is will they ever be viabile in their own right and will the people of West Sydney embrace a West Sydney team.

Yes, far more important question...

I don't believe in people "converting" away from one brand of football in favour of another brand of football, but there are exceptions such as the Super League war. As a result, I believe true sports fans of the future will be multi-code supporters and therefore peaceful co-existence is a workable solution. When I say multi-code support, I don't mean sharing your love around equally since you will always have your "preferred" brand. It follows that I don't think a Western Sydney AFL team will become the "preferred" brand for decades, if ever, but if they can slip in quietly and embrace peaceful co-existence and more importantly put on a good show and win plenty of games and perhaps make the Finals, then I think West Sydney will in turn accept them sooner rather than later.

 

[fishmonger]

The biggest difference is that Australian Rules has been in Sydney for 100 years. The AFL has been in Sydney for almost 3 decades. Half the Swans players are NSW product. There are enough NSW bred players to fill two AFL squads, and a couple of marquee star players could be lured as well.

The Storm have no Victorian players, they have only been here for 10 years. There are little to no Victorian players in the NRL.

Any second team would have zero credibility. Look at the spectacular failure of the Melbourne Rebels - even with good support for rugby union here - most of the players were has beens from other states.

Even though they have junior programs in place and a mouthpiece in the Herald Sun, it is still not enough to fuel a second NRL team here in Melbourne.

 

[A Living God]

Yes, far more important question...

I don't believe in people "converting" away from one brand of football in favour of another brand of football, but there are exceptions such as the Super League war. As a result, I believe true sports fans of the future will be multi-code supporters and therefore peaceful co-existence is a workable solution. When I say multi-code support, I don't mean sharing your love around equally since you will always have your "preferred" brand. It follows that I don't think a Western Sydney AFL team will become the "preferred" brand for decades, if ever, but if they can slip in quietly and embrace peaceful co-existence and more importantly put on a good show and win plenty of games and perhaps make the Finals, then I think West Sydney will in turn accept them sooner rather than later.

Would you care to answer my question on a second NRL club in Melborune.

Who will backroll this new club for the next 10 years?
Where do you except the supporters for this new club to come from?

 

[littleduck]

The biggest difference is that Australian Rules has been in Sydney for 100 years. The AFL has been in Sydney for almost 3 decades. Half the Swans players are NSW product. There are enough NSW bred players to fill two AFL squads, and a couple of marquee star players could be lured as well.

The Storm have no Victorian players, they have only been here for 10 years. There are little to no Victorian players in the NRL.

Any second team would have zero credibility. Look at the spectacular failure of the Melbourne Rebels - even with good support for rugby union here - most of the players were has beens from other states.

Even though they have junior programs in place and a mouthpiece in the Herald Sun, it is still not enough to fuel a second NRL team here in Melbourne.

Nothing you say is incorrect. However, notwithstanding your first paragraph, a second AFL team in NSW remains a top-down success-push approach from a cashed up AFL adminstration. There is no grassroots-driven AFL following in Western Sydney or the Gold Coast that is restless and ready to begin dancing in the streets when they 'finally' get their team in the same way as there was with the Titans on the Gold Coast.

It's the same with the Storm in Melbourne or any hypothetical 2nd team... Victorians won't be relieved to finally get their own team in the national competition and then be dancing in the streets if a 2nd team gets in.

 

[littleduck]

Would you care to answer my question on a second NRL club in Melborune.

Yep, okay..

Who will backroll (sic) this new club for the next 10 years?

Ummmmmmmmmm.... good question.... perhaps the disillusioned major sponsors of the Kangaroos after they wind up in insolvency? *kidding*

Where do you except the supporters for this new club to come from?

Ummmmm.... Victoria?

The point I was making here was that if BF posters believe creating derbies and local rivalries significantly boosts following then logically the same would apply to RL in Melbourne.

 

[finders]

Nothing you say is incorrect. However, notwithstanding your first paragraph, a second AFL team in NSW remains a top-down success-push approach from a cashed up AFL adminstration. There is no grassroots-driven AFL following in Western Sydney or the Gold Coast that is restless and ready to begin dancing in the streets when they 'finally' get their team in the same way as there was with the Titans on the Gold Coast.

It's the same with the Storm in Melbourne or any hypothetical 2nd team... Victorians won't be relieved to finally get their own team in the national competition and then be dancing in the streets if a 2nd team gets in.

Bring it on!
You are joking, the Storm barely survive in Melbourne and wouldnt if the wasnt set up as a News Corp business to support Foxtel.

When you have a PREMIERSHIP team unable to pull more than a few thousand expats to their games a second thugby team would be a disaster. Soccer will have the next team in Melbourne.

 

[A Living God]

Yep, okay..

Ummmmmmmmmm.... good question.... perhaps the disillusioned major sponsors of the Kangaroos after they wind up in insolvency? *kidding*

Ummmmm.... Victoria?

The point I was making here was that if BF posters believe creating derbies and local rivalries significantly boosts following then logically the same would apply to RL in Melbourne.

What local rivalry are you going to create in Melbourne? East vs West? North vs South? Melbourne vs Geelong?

 

[littleduck]

Bring it on!
You are joking, the Storm barely survive in Melbourne and wouldnt if the wasnt set up as a News Corp business to support Foxtel.

News Ltd are selling out soon because the Storm now have long-term financial viability, particularly now that their new Football Stadium is well on the way.

When you have a PREMIERSHIP team unable to pull more than a few thousand expats to their games a second thugby team would be a disaster.

Would you go to Oly Park in its current condition to watch football regularly? I wouldn't. Patrons of football in this era demand better than Oly Park and fortunately for the Storm, that is what they will be getting.

The Storm should average about 20k every season in their new 30k stadium.

Soccer will have the next team in Melbourne.

I agree.

 

[littleduck]

What local rivalry are you going to create in Melbourne? East vs West? North vs South? Melbourne vs Geelong?

Yeah, there is none! I guess that is one reason why the Melbourne Victory have no A-League local derby to date..

 

[McCrann]

This is a joke right?

When the Storm start taking games to the MCG 3 or 4 times a year and getting 60,000+ people to come and watch them.

Then we might have something to talk about!

A 2nd NRL team in Melbourne - you're having a larf aren't ya?!?

 

[chaddles]

Don't forget that there is a very strong chance that the Brumbies will be relocating here within the next five years - no chance that there will be a second NRL team for a very, very long time if ever!

 

[littleduck]

This is a joke right?

When the Storm start taking games to the MCG 3 or 4 times a year and getting 60,000+ people to come and watch them.

Then we might have something to talk about!

Even if the Storm regularly sell-out their new 30k seat for blockbuster games, they would still decline to switch them to the MCG because the MCG is a poor (rectangular-field) football viewing ground.

A 2nd NRL team in Melbourne - you're having a larf aren't ya?!?

Go back and re-read and you'll discover my point.

 

[Prince Imperial]

News Ltd are selling out soon because the Storm now have long-term financial viability, particularly now that their new Football Stadium is well on the way.QUOTE]

Source that they are actually selling and anyone is interested in buying them?

Roy Masters reported just last year ago that they lost $6m in a year so I don't know there will be a queue at Rupert's door.

THE $8 million News Ltd draws annually from the NRL is returned to the code via its ownership of the Melbourne Storm.

"The grand finalists made a loss of $6m last year and invested a further $2m in development of the game in Victoria."

http://www.smh.com.au/news/league/how-news-ltd-sunk-its-claws-in-league/2007/03/09/1173166982379.html?page=fullpage

 

[littleduck]

News Ltd are selling out soon because the Storm now have long-term financial viability, particularly now that their new Football Stadium is well on the way.QUOTE]

Source that they are actually selling and anyone is interested in buying them?

Roy Masters reported just last year ago that they lost $6m in a year so I don't know there will be a queue at Rupert's door.

THE $8 million News Ltd draws annually from the NRL is returned to the code via its ownership of the Melbourne Storm.

"The grand finalists made a loss of $6m last year and invested a further $2m in development of the game in Victoria."

http://www.smh.com.au/news/league/how-news-ltd-sunk-its-claws-in-league/2007/03/09/1173166982379.html?page=fullpage

They are working towards profitability and the new stadium is one of the last pieces in the jigsaw puzzle so that external factors are not hindering growth. In other words, with a world class stadium to attract fans, there will be no justifiable external excuses for poor crowds other than internal factors such as form and ladder position.

However, profitability just doesnt rely solely on crowds. The Storm require FTA exposure to become a long-term profitable enterprise and that looks about as likely in the near-term as Michael Fitzpatrick and Michael Searle enjoying an early morning short black at a trendy Coffee Bar in Broadbeach.

 

[zero]

yep, many of the same arguments still apply, but there are ALOT of differences in situation

like a new west sydney team will most likely be on FTA in sydney on saturday when it is up against no rugby league, whereas the new melbourne team probably wouldnt even be on FTA.

 

[littleduck]

yep, many of the same arguments still apply, but there are ALOT of differences in situation

like a new west sydney team will most likely be on FTA in sydney on saturday when it is up against no rugby league, whereas the new melbourne team probably wouldnt even be on FTA.

Yeah true, makes a big difference.

 

[finders]

They are working towards profitability and the new stadium is one of the last pieces in the jigsaw puzzle so that external factors are not hindering growth. In other words, with a world class stadium to attract fans, there will be no justifiable external excuses for poor crowds other than internal factors such as form and ladder position.

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A 35,000 capacity Stadium that they dont warrant on the crowds they have averaged over ten years and WE suckers the VIC taxpayers are paying for!

They played at Telstra Dome for a season a few years back and still only got 10,000 to the games and couldnt run back to OP quick enough.
A bigger stadium will make no difference to the unwanted Storm in Melbourne.

Your arguement dosent hold water the Victorian cricket team plays some of its games at the MCG and still gets only a few hundred spectators (same as at the Junction Oval) but when the very popular 20/20 was played there this year a big crowd turned up.

If a sport is on the nose like Thugby is in Melbourne it wouldnt matter where you play people will still not come and to think the Bracks Govt fell for this bullshit to the tune of $300 million of our money..