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if some of you guys were more realistic about your team and your players, it would be much harder to make an argument against.

but as it is, you want things to be more true than you are able to demonstrate that they are.
 
Crow-mo said:
the problem with this thinking, is you only have to venture onto the WCE board to see how many people disagree with you on Priddis.

its not just me, in fact the person who is on his own here I suggest is you.



don't put words in my mouth, he is a good player - and I have said that repeatedly. he is very good in a limited skill set. Not sure what words I put in your mouth champ

however, he is not what some of your fanboi's would make him out to be.

I am rejecting the elite, one the comp's best players claim, not that he isn't a good player. he is. that he is your best midfielder reflects your prospects accurately. Maybe, but he is a rock to build around.



you're not comparing Jobe Watson to Tony Lockett are you? next you'll be comparing him to his dad. :eek: OK, just scroll up a bit where you referenced the ladder positions of WC and Essendon as an argument as to why they were not good players. It wasn't comparing Jobe to an obvious gun in Lockett, it was countering your suggestion that ladder position takes away form player quality.



you really got to stop making things up and pretending people said things they didn't.

Luke Ball was elite with St Kilda, he is not, with Collingwood. Injury has seen to that. he is a guy who couldn't afford to lose that half yard of pace, or that 10 metres on his kick. he remains a good player in his current form.

Maybe some, if not every Collingwood supporter will disagree with your serious underrating of Luke Balls achievements last season. If you don't think he was a vital cog to tat flag, then I am sorry, you are blind. Ball WAS brilliant last season.
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You should at least try.
 
Crow-mo said:
its very easy Lance,
as manhy of you (including yourself) don't seem able to grasp very simple concepts, I don't trust your ability parse within a single multi-quote post.

I like to make it simple and straight forward for you, so you can get clear focus on the basic ideas that you will then misunderstand.

you've not earned multi-quote trust :D
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you know you're bereft of any real substance when you resort to try-hard patronising attempts
 

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Big Blow Hard said:
Maybe some, if not every Collingwood supporter will disagree with your serious underrating of Luke Balls achievements last season. If you don't think he was a vital cog to tat flag, then I am sorry, you are blind. Ball WAS brilliant last season.
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what is it with you, and strawmen? is today a bad day, or a habit of a lifetime?

but let me revisit somethings you DID actually say (crazy I know, restricting comment to real quotes and claims). on one hand you deny saying Ball was elite, and now you are arguing that he was brilliant last season.

Brilliant certainly suggests to me you are claiming he is elite or near it - either that or brilliant means something different to you.

it might also explain the hyperbolic overrating of Watson.

later.
 
Crow-mo said:
so you don't know the difference between a tag and have a matched up opponent? every player, has a player line up alongside them.

PS. you missed the trick question, Malthouse doesn't tag anyone :D
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If Adelaide were going for a matched up opponent on Watson they would have put Thompson, not a guy who does a tagging role nearly every week in Reilly. Face it, Adelaide tag Watson. As do most other teams in the league.
 
Crow-mo said:
you do realise inside midfielder isn't a position it's a function, an attribute.

there is no reason not to compare him with everyone else, especially if you want to tell everyone how great you think he is.
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I think you are taking the piss now, right?

I compare like for like players. What is the point in comparing Watson with Griffen. Griffen wouldn't be able to perform Watson's role and vise versa.

Crow-mo said:
Luke Ball was elite with St Kilda, he is not, with Collingwood. Injury has seen to that. he is a guy who couldn't afford to lose that half yard of pace, or that 10 metres on his kick. he remains a good player in his current form.
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So Luke Ball was elite at the Saints but Watson is only a good player for Essendon? I'd like to hear about how damaging Ball was and all about his metres gained statistics. Maybe you could also tell us about how good a kick he was.

Would you agree that 2005 was Luke Balls best season? Well, if you compare Ball 2005 to Watson 2010, Watson beats him in just about every stat imaginable. Possesions, clearences, contested possesions, hard ball gets, 1st possesions.....the list goes on.

Ball has averaged more than 21 possesions once in his career. Watson has done this for the last 5 seasons, pretty much the first season he started to get a decent amount of game time. In fact, Watson averages the most possesions per minute in the competition. And please don't tell me that possesions don't mean shit. It does for someone who has to win his own footy.
 
nathan t said:
So many people seem to be rating essendon so low down the ladder this year, i just dont really understand why.
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For the very same reason that people think Collingwood are the favourites for the premiership and that St Kilda, Geelong and the Bulldogs are the main challengers.....
We have nothing else to base 2011 form on, but 2010 form, and until it get's proven otherwise, Essendon will be viewed as a very ordinary side.
 
GALON said:
For the very same reason that people think Collingwood are the favourites for the premiership and that St Kilda, Geelong and the Bulldogs are the main challengers.....
We have nothing else to base 2011 form on, but 2010 form, and until it get's proven otherwise, Essendon will be viewed as a very ordinary side.
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Yet you spent all of last pre season talking up the Hawks as a premiership chance.
 
SirJimi05 said:
Ya reckon? I almost died of laughter when I read his post.
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Absolutely

Stanton is an accumulator and doesnt have great hurt factor with his possessions.

Watson can hurt teams big time with his handball.

Watson is a much better player than Stanton.
 

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Big Blow Hard said:
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Priddis is better than given credit for. If Priddis was awful, he would not be playing, that simple. Both of these guys would be snapped up by the top sides given their availability. You say Priddis is awful, I say he gives it a damn good crack in a poor side. Put Priddis at say, the Dogs, he would still be in the side, and I'm tipping, more rated.

But thats digressing. Elite is thrown abot pretty carelessly at the best of times, and despite this knock on his handball to kick ratio, there is no basis for you to say he is not a very good AFL footballer. You raised ladder position and team performance as a factor, so I guess Tony Lockett loses points as a FF because his teams weren't great? And like it or not, Luke Ball was a fantastic player.
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Agree about Priddis.

Under-rated player because he isn't flashy.
 
Much ado about nothing.

Watson in my eyes isn't an A Grade player YET ( close ), even though many in the media bestow that tag on him.

IMO he needs to link up more in his play - Has the endurance - It is possible that he could become A Grade in the next two years.

Then again, Jobe would be nearly the best midfielder in the AFL if he had Tim's kicking skills and explosiveness.
 
SirJimi05 said:
Players that average more basic skill errors per game more than Jobe Watson:

Dane Swan, Adam Goodes, Chris Judd, Steve Johnson, Adam Cooney, Ryan Griffen, Matthew Boyd, Brendon Goddard, Simon Black, Gary Ablett, Brent Stanton, Sam Mitchell, Aaron Davey, Adam Didak, Luke Hodge, Lenny Hayes, Paul chapman......

I can list another couple of hundred if so required?
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He does not kick it beacuse his foot skills are not at an AFL midfield standard. He knows where his game is weak - a lot easier to make an error kicking than handballing. Terrible stat!
 
SirJimi05 said:
Watson gets tagged most weeks and Stanton went to HB because he was carrying injury, so wrong on all accounts.



Not sure if serious? Stanton has good foot skills? You'd prefer Watson to get the ball 30 times? :eek:

The last part is pretty poor also. Watson is better than any mid on your list and there isn't much at all seperating both our midfields.
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Not much between the Roos and Ess mids? You are kidding yourself - maybe the backs or forwards are close but the reason why you finished 3rd last and the Roos 9th is because of our mids. Watson your 1 good mid then you have Stanton and Winderlich!!

Find me 1 netural supporter that would take your mids over ours.
 
Kings Army said:
Not much between the Roos and Ess mids? You are kidding yourself - maybe the backs or forwards are close but the reason why you finished 3rd last and the Roos 9th is because of our mids. Watson your 1 good mid then you have Stanton and Winderlich!!

Find me 1 netural supporter that would take your mids over ours.
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So if we finish above you this season it means our midfield is better. Geez, people on Bigfooty are clueless.
 

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SirJimi05 said:
So if we finish above you this season it means our midfield is better. Geez, people on Bigfooty are clueless.
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If you had a league ladder of the best midfields and compared it to the actual league ladder, they would be remarkably similar.

Essendon seem to be developing a half decent list of young talls (whether they are going to be mature enough in 2011 is another question) but their midfield is very poor.

Its not a trade secret. Its a well acknowledged fact.
 
Kings Army said:
Not much between the Roos and Ess mids? You are kidding yourself - maybe the backs or forwards are close but the reason why you finished 3rd last and the Roos 9th is because of our mids. Watson your 1 good mid then you have Stanton and Winderlich!!

Find me 1 netural supporter that would take your mids over ours.
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Timmy from Thomastown said:
If you had a league ladder of the best midfields and compared it to the actual league ladder, they would be remarkably similar.

Essendon seem to be developing a half decent list of young talls (whether they are going to be mature enough in 2011 is another question) but their midfield is very poor.

Its not a trade secret. Its a well acknowledged fact.
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it's so depressing coming on BigFooty and finding out that our only mids are Watson, Stanton and Winderlich; and that our young midfielders (if they even exist LOL) are incapable of improving because BigFooty says so :(
 
Lance Uppercut said:
it's so depressing coming on BigFooty and finding out that our only mids are Watson, Stanton and Winderlich; and that our young midfielders (if they even exist LOL) are incapable of improving because BigFooty says so :(
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As depressing as Essendon people comparing Watson to the greek God Atlas? And Sir Jim ranking your mids higher than North? Surely you must shake your head at that. If the Roos do not have you covered then you are as biased and one eyed as Sir Jim. You went for KPP when we went for mids and that is now showing. And the one mid you went for early - Myers - looks like a plodder.

You finished 3rd last for a reason. Sure you can improve but will you improve more than Melb or Adel or Port or Richmond or the Roos? If not you will be a cert for bottom 4 - again.
 

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