Stop the boats. 5k a head. (cont. in Part 2)

[Gough]

Where was that sourced from? Looks very suspect, no watermarks or identification that state it came from Indo gov.

George Roberts, ABC Indo correspondent. Released ahead of the official news conference, possibly accidentally.

 

[Bosun]

George Roberts, ABC Indo correspondent. Released ahead of the official news conference, possibly accidentally.

If true it would not be an accident.

 

[JRoo]

http://m.watoday.com.au/federal-pol...rs-during-boat-operations-20140117-30yi1.html



The hypocrisy of Operation "Sovereign" Borders is obvious.

Vessels; specifically military vessels don't "inadvertently" wander off course or "accidentally" enter another countries waters without the Captain/Master/OOW knowing.

 

[NSWCROW]

" CAN'T and WON'T happen again "



BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Transparency FTW

 

[Docker Clint]

Let's say that an military/customs vessel becomes aware of a boat with asylum seekers in Indonesian waters that has been sabotaged by those on board. Given the international responsibilities combined with the elected Government's policy commitments I see nothing wrong with the military vessell entering Indonesian waters for the purposes of rescue, returning to international waters for the purposes of assessing the health and well being of the asylum seekers, and then returning to indonesian for the purposes of putting the asylum seekers onto a seaworthy vessel and directing them to sail away from Australia.

Regards

S. Pete

The navy are working under the "Operation Sovereign Borders" policy, it's different from answering a distress call, they went into another nations territory under the guise of the former, hence the concern from Indonesia.

 

[GuruJane]

That document seems extremely innocuous to me given the context.
Why the excitement?

 

[PottSie2]

That document seems extremely innocuous to me given the context.
Why the excitement?

People want the Coalition to fail.

If Indonesia don't want turn backs, don't allow them to leave.

Can't believe there are Aussies siding with Indonesia on this.

 

[JRoo]

People want the Coalition to fail.

If Indonesia don't want turn backs, don't allow them to leave.

Can't believe there are Aussies siding with Indonesia on this.

I think you will find this is not an Aussie v Indonesia issue as per Morrison's appology, it is because Australia breached International Maritime Law.

 

[PottSie2]

I think you will find this is not an Aussie v Indonesia issue as per Morrison's appology, it is because Australia breached International Maritime Law.

I'm talking in a more general sense.

There are those here that want Indonesia to be offended by everything Abbott does even though Indonesia an extremely petulant "friend".

 

[JRoo]

I'm talking in a more general sense.

There are those here that want Indonesia to be offended by everything Abbott does even though Indonesia an extremely petulant "friend".

The general issue is the RAN breached International Maritime Law hence Morrisons apology on the matter.

By Petulant do you mean like undertaking operations in another nations waters in contravention of maritime law?

 

[PottSie2]

The general issue is the RAN breached International Maritime Law hence Morrisons apology on the matter.

By Petulant do you mean like undertaking operations in another nations waters in contravention of maritime law?

No by petulant I mean Indonesia complaining about returning boats that leave from their shores.

They didn't mind our Navy entering their waters to escort boats to Christmas Island, and neither did many on this board now up in arms that our Navy went inside a bit.

 

[PottSie2]

welp, first lifeboat has already been deployed apparently.

I guess it'll be a true test whether Indonesia are grumbling for real or for domestic show.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-po...lum-seekers-20140116-30y0d.html#ixzz2qZInbV2F

They sabotaged their own boat and have returned to their homes in West Java.

I'm sure they'd be great blokes but come on, sort of flies against the sob story that the open border people paint here.

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

Diplomatic relations going well

"The Government of Indonesia underlines that any such violation of whatever basis constitutes a serious matter in bilateral relations of the two countries," Agus Ruchyan Barnas said, speaking in Bahasa Indonesia.
"Indonesia demands that such operation conducted by the Australian Government that lead to [these] incidents be suspended until formal clarification is received and assurance of recurrence of such incidents has been provided."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-17/indonesia-says-it-regrets-violations-of-waters/5205974

 

[PottSie2]

Diplomatic relations going well



http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-17/indonesia-says-it-regrets-violations-of-waters/5205974

Wouldn't be an issue if Indonesia did its part at its own shores. Surely you'd agree with this ?

 

[JeffDunne]

Wouldn't be an issue if Indonesia did its part at its own shores.

And what "part" would that be?

 

[Brown Bottle]

That's a good question Jeff.

Posting this again, just in case anyone missed it. Essential reading, really.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/17/m...fugee-boat-lift-to-christmas-island.html?_r=0

 

[PottSie2]

And what "part" would that be?

Are you serious ?

Patrol their own waters.
Stop people from getting on boats in the first place.
Stop people at the airports.
Out corrupt Policeman ?

Do you think they are blameless in all this ?

 

[JRoo]

No by petulant I mean Indonesia complaining about returning boats that leave from their shores.

They didn't mind our Navy entering their waters to escort boats to Christmas Island, and neither did many on this board now up in arms that our Navy went inside a bit.

WTF does that mean? "Our Navy went inside a bit"? Military vessels unless they are undertaking a lawful passage/transit don't work on the Pottsie2 BF Maritime Law of oh "our navy went inside a bit"!

No by petulant I mean Indonesia complaining about returning boats that leave from their shores.

You mean by breaching Maritime Law?

 

[DivideandMultiply]

I think Morrison is handling the media approriately when it comes to sovereign borders.

This is the height of delusion.

People like you are the enemies of an open, free thinking society that values competence, transparency and accountability.

It's ok to hide the truth, as long as it's done by my team. It's ok to blatantly lie in front of the camera, as long as it's done by my team. It's ok to support a system that tramples all over human rights, abdicates compassion and decency, as long as it's done by my team. It's ok to violate another countries sovereignty, by sending military vessels within their borders unilaterally, as long as it's done by my team.

Partisan thinking is a sickness, one that erodes away at ones humanity and reveals unthinking and despicable creatures unable to embrace ethics or morality at the individual level. Morrison is lying through his teeth, when he cannot hide the truth and is the keystone of a despicable system, that manipulates public paranoia to both distract from other political issues and allow gross human rights abuses.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

While I think Morrison has handled the media in a ridiculous way, there is an element of truth in this.

At least you can admit it. Bravo.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

0 boats in 4 weeks confirms that they have.

Didn't the governments naval front man state quite clearly, no boats is simply because it's cyclone season?

 

[PottSie2]

WTF does that mean? "Our Navy went inside a bit"? Military vessels unless they are undertaking a lawful passage/transit don't work on the Pottsie2 BF Maritime Law of oh "our navy went inside a bit"!



You mean by breaching Maritime Law?

Entering their waters was wrong. They have apologised.

If it happens again throw your arms in anger.

They were complaining about returns before this incident but yet here you are acting as if the Navy has been doing this for years.

Why are you so outraged over Indonesias sovereignty ?

Why not be outraged that Indonesia lets boats depart fron their shores that result in our sovereignty being abused ?

 

[DivideandMultiply]

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...-back-boats-20140114-30t47.html#ixzz2qbJuRzWZ

This country has lost it's moral compass when it comes to this issue. What happened to you Australia? You used to be cool.

I agree completely, all for political point scoring. A grim demonstration of both the sociopathic tendencies of our policy makers and the ugly nature of partisan politics.

 

[JRoo]

Entering their waters was wrong. They have apologised.

If it happens again throw your arms in anger.

They were complaining about returns before this incident but yet here you are acting as if the Navy has been doing this for years.

Why are you so outraged over Indonesias sovereignty ?

Why not be outraged that Indonesia lets boats depart fron their shores that result in our sovereignty being abused ?

Entering their waters was wrong. They have apologised.

Well done you finally admitted they broke Maritime Law and where forced to appologise as I previously mentioned!

If it happens again throw your arms in anger.

Is this a typical Pottsie2 d******d response?

They were complaining about returns before this incident but yet here you are acting as if the Navy has been doing this for years.

No the Navy has not been breaching Maritime Law re the right of lawful passage/transit for military vessels for years!!!

Why are you so outraged over Indonesias sovereignty ?

What is this sovereignty to speak of Pottsie2, care to provide me a link to this in Maritime law or this another of your intellectual comments like your previous "Our Navy went inside a bit"?

Breaches of maritime law PottSie2 something you seem to have no understanding of!

Why not be outraged that Indonesia lets boats depart fron their shores that result in our sovereignty being abused ?

What is this sovereignty abuse you speak of, provide me a link to a relevant law will you?

 

[Brown Bottle]

If Afghanistan and Iraq had done as good a job of controlling their borders as Syria is doing with Damascus we wouldn't have this problem with all these flaming economic migrants I guess. Man, it sucks to be us.

"Oh noes... not our sovereignty! Flaming Indonesians"



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