Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

[gangsta deluxe]

Nope, I have a full understanding.

The booing will continue for various reasons, and contrary to what any idiots in the AFL, the media say, or bigfooty say, they're not all motivated by racism.

Does that matter when some are? The ones that arent racist but are aware that others are doing it as a result of racist are knowingly giving a voice to the racist element. Knowingly giving a voice to racists is despicable.

 

[NSWCROW]

So what you are saying is he has special treatment and cover from the colour of his skin?

Gotcha. All fair.

Long spear to throw.


Only thing i've been saying in this thread is that it's a disgrace.
You obviously think it's ok.

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

Don't forget Alan Jones, Andrew Bolt and Sam Newman.

Hmmmn, yes Alan Jones, the man who thinks it is okay to use the phrase 'n****r in the woodpile' Lets have a lecture from him on race relations...

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s3763340.htm

 

[LoungeLizard]

So you are categorically saying that no person who boos goods does so because they are racist?

That is nonsense and you know it. Don't deflect. Answer my question.

No, but your words is the booing is racist, therefore if you boo it is racism.
If you think that every person that boos Goodes is racist, or even a % of them, then back it up.
Tell me what % of coloured players get booed, what % of whites get booed?
Did you know that white people can be flogs?
Blacks can also

 

[smokingjacket]

because your sorry for the extent that it's convenient for you. i'm exactly the same. i know i'm taking advantage of stolen land and have a really good life now because of it. but i don't go around pointing fingers at people and saying 'oh you can't boo goodes because 200 years ago X & Y happened'.

Do you really think that the case here? Do you think I'm saying all criticism of Adam Goodes is invalid because of the treatment of Indigenous people in this country since settlement?

Even a cursory glance at my argument would suggest otherwise. Large sections of Australian society don't understand the trauma of the last two hundred years of Australian history. When presented with the facts, particularly by an outspoken Indigenous man, they get defensive because they think it means they'll lose something.

 

[romeohwho]

Last I checked footy is a past-time, whereas racism is a political issue....People go to the footy to forget about such things, only to have Goodsey rub it in their faces with the AFL's blessing.

GEE I wonder what has inspired all this booing?

Its 2015, not 1915. Perhaps Goodes should just look the other way when someone addresses a racist remark at him? Perhaps people in the crowd shouldn't say racist things? Football is precisely the place to highlight issues that affect our society in negative way.

 

[carnthemlions]

He is the one who decided to make indigenous round about him. He could've gotten all the aboriginal players together from his game before/after the game and done something but instead he insulted the fans

"Insulted the fans"
lol

Sad to see a portion of the aboriginal community being marginalised further because of Goodes divisive antics.
Just a reminder for everyone to read it: http://theblacksteamtrain.blogspot.com.au/2015/07/the-wayland-smithers-school-of.html?m=1

Stop putting one blogger's opinion on a pedestal. The author does make some interesting points on indigenous culture and the way it's understood by wider society. But much of his argument boils down to the idea that Adam Goodes is a rich footballer and so he should just stop whinging and get on with life. It's hardly a game changer.

He made a mockery of it.

Ask yourself- am I the intended audience here?

 

[magic.merkin]

You don't understand. He specifically said the dance was intended to incite the crowd. That's its purpose..

Go do some learning. His pressers.

I'll quote him for you. No mention of incite. Please quote that:

Speaking at the team's recovery session on Saturday, Goodes said the dance was inspired by the AFL's under-16 indigenous side called the Boomerangs.

"I haven't had the opportunity to do the war cry... and show that passion and pride about being a warrior and representing my people," Goodes said.

"It wasn't something that was pre-meditated. Lewis Jetta and myself had a chat on Thursday that we wanted to represent on Friday night, we wanted to do a dance.

"It's a shame that Lewis couldn't get on the board because he had something planned as well.




"There was nothing untoward to the Carlton supporters.

"[But] for me it had to be towards opposition and say here I am, take me as I am.

"Guys can cheer, boo, whatever. Take it as it is."

 

[NSWCROW]

No
You just lay shit on a girl's mother because of the "look of her"

Yes mate
There's plenty wrong with you and your double standards.

I didn't boo anyone.


I'm not " the problem " here.


Your constant excusing of this booing is the REAL problem here.

 

[year of the cat]

Care to elaborate on that bubs? How are you able to conclusively evaluate the thoughts and motivations of thousands of people booing? Do you happen to own a satellite that can read everyone's mind?

"Bubs". So resort to name calling when you can't sustain an argument. Pathetic really.

I don't need to own a satellite to read your very small mind sir.

I'll leave you alone now. As I said before you don't get it. I feel for people like you.

 

[romeohwho]

LOL. No, I am not. I am just pointing out that it is the same both ways. Why do people boo sportsman? Because sports is theatre and most of us want a villain to hate. And a lot of the things people hate about Goodes are invented or at least misconstrued. It's amazing how much is attributed to Goodes for things that he did not say.

Haha -spot on-he didn't actually say many of the things he is being vilified for. They just make it up! Classic.

 

[magic.merkin]

Read back over 425 pages, I'm sure it will become apparent.

It's quite apparent how many people have skewed the truths. So i want someone to tell me.

 

[Bazzar]

Oh you STILL mad about the fact it's not going all your way ??


50%




And it burns BURNS BURRRRRNSSSS........

Once again you fail to provide support for your statement and resort to childish replies. It's obvious you made it up, so I'm finished with you.

 

[Hardhat11]

Australia, white people telling the indigenous what is and is not racist. Since 1788.

Yup

Players say it's been racist ...opposition ones too
Coaches ditto
Club...coaches ...all say it's been racists
Community leaders say it's racist
Professionals who work with aboriginal people say it's racist

Yet a few White people on the Internet say it's not .......

Funny that


I know which group of people I would trust and it's the top list yet the Internet people will bang on.

 

[SeaWind]

You will boo Goodes next time when (if) you get a chance?

Sure I will. I still have absolutely nothing against aboriginals, and booing Goodes doesn't conflict with that.

If anything, one good reason to boo would be to see people like you shit your pants. Again, that doesn't make me a racist; it doesn't suggest I bear an agenda toward a race.

 

[Footy Is The Win]

Australia, white people telling the indigenous what is and is not racist. Since 1788.

So who decides then? Adam Goodes?

 

[Santana]

I think you need to take a step back and look at what racial vilification is.

IF a player feels like that, then that is it.

your thoughts on the matter are irrelevant, his feelings are paramount in this.

Huge parts of the crowds are not yelling racial slurs at him, they're booing him. It's Adam's thoughts that are irrelevant since he is clearly wrong.

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

Do you really think that the case here? Do you think I'm saying all criticism of Adam Goodes is invalid because of the treatment of Indigenous people in this country since settlement?

Even a cursory glance at my argument would suggest otherwise. Large sections of Australian society don't understand the trauma of the last two hundred years of Australian history. When presented with the facts, particularly by an outspoken Indigenous man, they get defensive because they think it means they'll lose something.

when i say 'you' i mean people on your side of the argument not you specifically. should have clarified...

 

[DERIBERATE]

His explanation was that he was going to use it playing for the indigenous all stars to show his pride in his culture and for the under 16 kids (WHO CAME UP WITH THE DANCE) but didn't get a chance to do so because he missed that game in the off season. So he did it after kicking a goal on indigenous round. It was slightly provocative but geez...

Punish people for how Adam Goodes perceives them.

Don't punish Adam Goodes for how people perceive Adam Goodes.

 

[kaiserchief13]

I'll quote him for you. No mention of incite. Please quote that:

Speaking at the team's recovery session on Saturday, Goodes said the dance was inspired by the AFL's under-16 indigenous side called the Boomerangs.

"I haven't had the opportunity to do the war cry... and show that passion and pride about being a warrior and representing my people," Goodes said.

"It wasn't something that was pre-meditated. Lewis Jetta and myself had a chat on Thursday that we wanted to represent on Friday night, we wanted to do a dance.

"It's a shame that Lewis couldn't get on the board because he had something planned as well.




"There was nothing untoward to the Carlton supporters.

"[But] for me it had to be towards opposition and say here I am, take me as I am.

"Guys can cheer, boo, whatever. Take it as it is."

orly?

 

[shintemaster]

He brought race into it though by making it an aboriginal only dance.

Incorrect. He brought race into it by being aboriginal - which I suspect is part of the reason so many have such an issue with it. He is what he is. May as well complain that he didn't do the Haka.

 

[Hardhat11]

Name a white player that has done what Goodes has done? There is no comparison to the accumulation of dislike for Adam Goodes.
Name me another black player who gets booed like Goodes?

Barry hall

Leighton Mathews was a thug ......

Sorry do I need to keep going ......

 

[Docker Alyssa]

I'll quote him for you. No mention of incite. Please quote that:

blah blah blah

That's from the day after, when he backpeddled hard after more Goodes backlash came upon him. Don't worry about it. You found only what you wanted to believe. Not the whole story.

 

[Lebbo73]

Maybe just stop going to the footy, that'll be a great way to hit back at the AFL*


*and allow sensible people to not have to put up with morons.

You will look kind of silly with the amount of sensible people at the games matching the number of your posts!

 

[HoopsAhoy]

strong words from Ross Lyon:

“It is offensive and wrong what’s occurring.
“I really like what Chris Scott said, from here if you continue to boo Adam Goodes you are a racist and a bigot.”

You lost me at "Ross Lyon".