Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

[carloss]

Australia, white people telling the indigenous what is and is not racist. Since 1788.

Any discussion of racism in Australia usually starts with Cronulla. Sydney - the city of tolerance.

 

[kfc1]

Barry hall

Leighton Mathews was a thug ......

Sorry do I need to keep going ......

Sorry what? How are Barry Hall or Leigh Matthews comparable to Goodes?
And thanks for confirming there are no black players booed like Goodes. Think we can put the 'racist' claims to bed then.

 

[NSWCROW]

Once again you fail to provide support for your statement and resort to childish replies. It's obvious you made it up, so I'm finished with you.

oh he mad...........



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Maybe expand your browsing to more than BF and PICKERINGPOST mate



Never have i seen such a sook over someone realising they don't have the backup they thought they did.



So you're done ???

So you won't be replying anymore ???

awesome.




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[TheKanga]

So who decides then? Adam Goodes?

Yes if he feels he is being racially vilified and targeted because of his race then I would trust him.
Just stop booing FFS how hard is it to be an adult?

 

[Percel]

He didn't do it as a goal celebration. He did it as a celebration of his culture.

As per the man:


Speaking at the team's recovery session on Saturday, Goodes said the dance was inspired by the AFL's under-16 indigenous side called the Boomerangs.

"I haven't had the opportunity to do the war cry... and show that passion and pride about being a warrior and representing my people," Goodes said.

"It wasn't something that was pre-meditated. Lewis Jetta and myself had a chat on Thursday that we wanted to represent on Friday night, we wanted to do a dance.

"It's a shame that Lewis couldn't get on the board because he had something planned as well.




"There was nothing untoward to the Carlton supporters.

"[But] for me it had to be towards opposition and say here I am, take me as I am.

"Guys can cheer, boo, whatever. Take it as it is."

Was there consideration for a team oriented line dance, somethng that even the crowd could join in?

 

[magic.merkin]

He heard it.
He turned
He saw it was a young girl
He pointed her out

What is wrong with you

As he should have.

Also he and most reasonable people would understand he wasn't calculating age, and how this had a baring on being vilified in these seconds, let alone in indigenous round.

 

[subaru]

I didn't boo anyone.


I'm not " the problem " here.


Your constant excusing of this booing is the REAL problem here.

Tell me again how you shouldn't judge people on how they look

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Having seen her mum the other day , it's a very real prospect that she didn't

Hypocrite

And you seem to miss the point

I am not for or against the booing .....
I'm against the insinuation that the people that booed were racist.

 

[DERIBERATE]

Barry hall

Leighton Mathews was a thug ......

Sorry do I need to keep going ......

I don't recall Hall and Matthews crawling up peoples' arses claiming they're a delicate petal after the fact.

 

[romeohwho]

Actions speak loader than words. How about you ask James Packer how many aboriginals he has working for him?

Well isn't that exactly the point Goodes is highlighting Lebbo?

 

[kfc1]

Maybe expand your browsing to more than BF and PICKERINGPOST mate

What exactly is the Pickering Post?

 

[campbell]

Huge parts of the crowds are not yelling racial slurs at him, they're booing him. It's Adam's thoughts that are irrelevant since he is clearly wrong.

you clearly have no idea.

 

[subaru]

As he should have.

Also he and most reasonable people would understand he wasn't calculating age, and how this had a baring on being vilified in these seconds, let alone in indigenous round.

He has stated he knew it was a "young face" when he turned around.
Why do you feel the need to defend this ?
It's a fact.
Goodes obviously was quite happy to continue to press the issue despite her age.

 

[Mcveigh]

So who decides then? Adam Goodes?

The fact you have even asked that is very concerning.

 

[NSWCROW]

Tell me again how you shouldn't judge people on how they look

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Hypocrite

Lucky i didn't call her an ape.

 

[magic.merkin]

Was there consideration for a team oriented line dance, somethng that even the crowd could join in?

I can't say I've heard as such, i wouldn't speak for the team.

I thought there is plenty of crowd particpation and inclusion with teammates through out the round. Why can't two blokes also do something of their own volition to celebrate who they are? As Jetta intended to do so as well.

 

[peppy la pew]

I think we both know you were more interested in your angle than my answer.

Are you suggesting the_interloper has bad angles

 

[romeohwho]

Why aren't Noel Pearson, Mick Dodson or David Wirrpanda scolded in this way? Because they are well-educated and respected individuals in their fields - law, academia, society etc. Their standing and experience equips them with the necessary hardware to approach the issue like men that live in the real world that, like it or not, is run by the White Man in this country. Adam is like a little boy that is angry at this world and doesn't know how to express himself. Had he directed his War Dance towards his adversaries (the Carlton players) and not the fans, I don't think anyone would have had a problem with it because they coveted the same thing - victory on the battlefield that was the SCG. His post-game justification of being "proud to represent" was just nonsense. That was no celebration; it was provocative and a call to arms. "You want my land? Come and take it". I thought Pemulwuy died 200+ years ago. In all of this, I think Adam's War Dance is emblematic of his mindset; he loathes the White Man.

He is ill-equipped to handle the ramifications of his behaviour because he is an athlete and not a politician. We love you for the way you glide across the 'G effortlessly, but this doesn't give you the right to regularly demonstrate your bitterness towards the White Man. What exactly do you want today's White Man to do, Adam? He is decades removed from the White Men you have a problem with. This is why you should leave the crusading to the likes of Pearson, Dodson and Wirrpanda to a certain extent - be realistic.

There is no doubt we have a dark, shameful history - the murder of 100,000 Aboriginals in the Frontier Wars, the lack of voting rights until the late 1960s and the "Stolen Generation" to name a few - and most White Men of today would readily admit that, perhaps best exemplified by the successful referendum re those voting rights. But, to echo the sentiments of many other posters, we don't go to the football to be lectured by someone that, in all fairness, isn't exactly "across the field" in an academic sense in what he is standing up for.

We should boycott the abomination that is the AFL in the 21st century until they get their act together. Enough is enough. Granted we all love our clubs and the game, but the essence of the game is dead in the cities. Embers of Australian Rules exist at grassroots level but they are slowly fading. This attempt to put the clamps on our freedom of speech is just PC gone mental. Cop the eggs from the Sydney fans and cop the ejection from Big Brother if you feel the need to boo Adam Goodes. People power will speak louder than the spin-doctored words of some ass-kissing AFL captains. Furthermore, the lack of a spectacle augments the undercurrent of fan discontent. The issue of 'fan engagement' is far deeper than the superficiality of "Make Some Noise" signs and cheaper food. Switch off Channel 7, can Fox Footy and stop clicking on Fairfax/News Corp AFL pages. Up yours Oakley, Andrew, Gillon, Fitzpatrick and Kielty. These men are so far detached from the typical Australian football fan it is not funny. Rhodes Scholars, pigs with political influence and a polo playing management consultant with a diamond-encrusted bed have been running this asylum for too long. I acknowledge the need for a robust business model (as we all acknowledged was needed in the late 80s), but it has gone too far.

Call me racist. Ban me. Hurl eggs at me. I can't be the only one that feels this way.

Please show me where he has demonstrated bitterness towards the white man?

 

[TheMightyEagles]

Look I am busy. What freedom of speech laws are you referring to? If in your workplace a visitor, which is what you are if you have a ticket, or a person with a contract, if you are a member (that's what supporters are in football games are legally) cannot bully an employee. The employer has a legal obligation to prevent the bullying. Goodes is an employee and the football ground is his workplace. The way the legal obligation on the employer would be done in a football ground would be to remove the bully or those who bully. That's why some people are talking about removing opposition supporters if the bullying continues. There is no special privilege here. How is the prevention of bullying and vilification an injustice? Those questions are rhetorical.

If you accept this argument, then you have to take it to its natural conclusion - i.e. the targeted boo'ing of any player is workplace bullying. It's behaviour which is designed to put players off their game (i.e. their means of livelihood). Goodes can't be the sole exception.

 

[ChampRevesby]

Stop putting one blogger's opinion on a pedestal. The author does make some interesting points on indigenous culture and the way it's understood by wider society. But much of his argument boils down to the idea that Adam Goodes is a rich footballer and so he should just stop whinging and get on with life. It's hardly a game changer.

Way to cherry pick out the only point that fits your discourse. And since when do you speak for a black aboriginal man and a section of his community?
How narcissistic is that? Dictating to a black man that his point of view is wrong because he is in the minority in his own community (which he already stated he is not!) so he is irrelevant? Apparently this aboriginal mans opinion is worth less than Adams Goodes so screw him?
How very enlightened you must be.

One thing I’ve come to understand about our society is that often, those who see themselves as the most tolerant, educated and enlightened are usually most racist, close-minded of all. These types were the first to pick up their keyboard or a microphone and declare that speaking negatively about the so-called ‘war dance’ effort from Adam Goodes over the weekend means that we are culturally ignorant, yet in making such a claim, have themselves ignored an entire segment of the Aboriginal community, who are appalled at the ‘performance’. In wanting us to be a homogenous community capable of only thinking and feeling one way, therefore enabling them to have the correct information and be ‘right’, they are guilty of the same crime they are continually accusing an entire nation of – RACISM.

 

[penga]

I'll post this again:

Most "dances" of this ilk have some kind of this "tribal nature" with that warrior element and we are in a sports theatre, I mean what were you expecting a dance to be some kind of Michael Jackson moonwalk or something???

And then he explained to the public exactly what is was. How people would even get outraged at this is borderline moronic, just to justify the incessant. booing.

 

[NSWCROW]

What exactly is the Pickering Post?

That guy who used to draw naked blokes.

 

[gangsta deluxe]

Not the point. Suggesting anyone who boos from this point on, which the coaches/media/whatever are, is bigoted and idiotic.

That is entirely the ****ing point. If you willingly give your voice to a racist cause - which you are doing if you knowingly increase the sound a group of racists are making towards Goodes - then you are acting in a racist manner. You are supporting what the racists are doing.

This is very, very simple. You knowingly and willfully help out a racist cause, you can be considered one.

 

[magic.merkin]

He has stated he knew it was a "young face" when he turned around.
Why do you feel the need to defend this ?
It's a fact.
Goodes obviously was quite happy to continue to press the issue despite her age.

I think 16 year olds have young faces, fk i was carded until i was 25.

What does it matter his or your interpretation of "young face". His actions were appropriate.

 

[Inspector Malceski]

just like Rosa Parks who refuses to give up her seat for a white person.

Adam is fighting for what is fair & right!!

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

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Shut-ins of bigfooty I salute you!

And it's pretty pointless because the pages move so quickly most of it is barely read. Some of the stupidest comments barely went remarked upon (including my own stupid take on the topic of how long the thread is).