Bumped Hawthorn - the beginning of the end? Will they make the fnals in 2017?

[Wojcinski]

You might be right, but if you are, prepare for a rude awakening next week given how unconvincing your QF victory over us was. If you rely on a player missing an easy shot after the siren to get over a bunch of plodders, then you are well and truly cooked. Fortunately for your club, I think you're wrong, and either of the two teams from our QF final would have been worthy preliminary finalists. Lets see if you can make the most of it, would be sad to see Geelong **** up yet another grand final given their already poor record in that area.

I love how instead of actually providing any real insight or response to my statement you just start talking about Geelong. That's beyond obsessed.

And yeah, Geelong has such a terrible record in GF's, 3-1 with the current group.

 

[hk89]

Geelong won 3 flags and lost a GF in a 5 year period, just the same as Hawthorn!

How you can think a few one-peats is the same as a three-peat is quite beyond me. Backing up psychologically each year to win again is a very different matter to cracking under pressure every second year. Cats had the list to win 3 or 4 in a row, but bottled it on multiple occasions. Hawthorn grabbed their chance at greatness with both hands, while Cats fumbled.

 

[hk89]

I love how instead of actually providing any real insight or response to my statement you just start talking about Geelong. That's beyond obsessed.

Says the fellow who keeps track of the number of Hawthorn VFL/AFL flags in his signature. Hard for me to laugh any harder.

 

[Wojcinski]

Geelong won a massive one flag in a row, then fell away, then won a flag, then fell away, then won another flag and then fell away and missed finals....but you have them as better than a side who played off in 4 straight GF's and won 3 in a row.

Your delusion is showing.

If you won $3mil in the lotto (tax free), and I won $1mil in the lotto 3 separate times - who won the most money?

 

[Wojcinski]

Says the fellow who keeps track of the number of Hawthorn VFL/AFL flags in his signature. Hard for me to laugh any harder.

My sig has nothing to do with Hawthorn or its VFL/AFL flags but keep trying

 

[PhatBoy]

Your delusion is hilarious. Geelong could never so much as keep their shit together to back up any of their flags. And the idea that the 2007 flag has anything to do with a potential 2016 flag is ******* stupid.

Be happy for your great era, but history will see Geelong 07-11 as a dominant side, but not an invincible one, as Hawthorn 13-15 will be viewed.

I'd hardly say losing two games in an entire season is a failure to keep ones shit together.

Have hawthorn achieved more? Absolutely, they've won an extra flag and that's that.
At no stage does that somehow automatically entitle them to being untouchable when comparing them to another team. No side over a prolonged period in history - this IS a fact when you break down every team since 1897 into their best 200 game bracket - has enjoyed as many wins as the cats did from round 6, 2007. If they didn't win a single flag in that time, or just snuck in one, then yeah there's a lot of shit you can throw at us. But we didn't, we won three of the things. And kept on beating the side who won in 2008 all the while. The two sides who did get the better of us in some key games in that era were the Hawks - who we beat 11 times straight thereafter, and Collingwood, who we beat 3 times in a season on our way to a flag the year after they knocked us out.

People don't look at 1980s rugby league and go 'well gee Parra were way better than the Bulldogs because they won 3 straight at one stage." They won 4 each in the decade and they're universally regarded as the dominant teams of the Era and probably behind only the great st George side of the 60s as being the two best teams in the game up until that point. We haven't won 4 yet so it might not come to it but if we do I think it stacks up well to what the Hawks have done.

 

[PhatBoy]

Geelong won a massive one flag in a row, then fell away, then won a flag, then fell away, then won another flag and then fell away and missed finals....but you have them as better than a side who played off in 4 straight GF's and won 3 in a row.

Your delusion is showing.

"Fell away" all the way to a grand final and a preliminary final.

Yeah

 

[hk89]

And yeah, Geelong has such a terrible record in GF's, 3-1 with the current group.

Since 1967 it is 3 flags out of 9 attempts. Choking on grand final day is in their DNA.

 

[Sttew]

Mate, you have no idea. None.

Frawley was in the best half a dozen defenders in the comp this year, and should be expecting a top 5 BnF finish for us.



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Was he AA?

 

[Skeppersap]

How you can think a few one-peats is the same as a three-peat is quite beyond me. Backing up psychologically each year to win again is a very different matter to cracking under pressure every second year. Cats had the list to win 3 or 4 in a row, but bottled it on multiple occasions. Hawthorn grabbed their chance at greatness with both hands, while Cats fumbled.

No....club success is reprisented by the number of premierships overall, not the number of consecutive premierships. Hawthorn trot out '3peat' because it suits the dick measuring their supporters are so into. But in the future these eras will mean exactly the same....3 premierships....

If you want to extend it to include 2008, fine. Hopefully we can extend to include 2016 (all going well for the next 2 weeks)....

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

You do understand the difference between a medical program approved by the AFL (despite your insinuations to the contrary), and administered by qualified professionals, and injecting your players with drugs you bought from the mad sports scientist Dank, who had been advising you via Robinson over several seasons?

I find it ironic you bring up the fully approved Hawthorn blood injections. It was exactly the same deflection Bomber's fans tried on.

And the AFL engaged an external auditor to go through Geelong's programmes with a fine-toothed comb - but you still seem to think something untoward went on?

Talk about deflections.

 

[Wojcinski]

Since 1967 it is 3 flags out of 9 attempts. Choking on grand final day is in their DNA.

Cool, I love selective stats!

Did you know Hawthorn has double the amount of spoons than Geelong? Losing must be in their DNA

Between the years 1984 and 1987 the Hawks went 1-3 in Grand Finals. Choking must be in their DNA

Hawthorn is the first team in the history of the game to go out in straight sets after 3peating. Failure is clearly in their DNA

The last team to miss the finals all together after a flag? Hawthorn. Monumental embarrassments are in their DNA.

 

[hk89]

My sig has nothing to do with Hawthorn or its VFL/AFL flags but keep trying

Bullshit:
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...ning-of-the-end.1131183/page-55#post-46162413

 

[PhatBoy]

Since 1967 it is 3 flags out of 9 attempts. Choking on grand final day is in their DNA.

Yes the current mob have definitely walked into a culture of big game failure haven't they. I bet a player like Sam Menegola bypassed Joel Selwood's handshake on his first day of training to go and laugh at the names on the lockers of guys he'd never heard of and shake his head in disbelief at their lack of success.

 

[Wojcinski]

Bullshit:
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...ning-of-the-end.1131183/page-55#post-46162413

Not sure how that's relevant? Why are you so mad? There is footy on this weekend! Who is your team playing?

 

[detox]

You have got to be kidding me mate so your saying Frawley was as good as McGovern, Tarrent , D.Talia , Rance , Shaw and Doherty comparing Frawley do the best defenders in the comp is a massive insult to those players who are good unlike frawley...

I meant key defenders mate. Why would I compare him to Docherty.

I'd have Frawley behind Mcgovern Tarrant, Talia and Rance, probably on par with Grundy. 5th or 6th, thereabouts.

If you don't agree than I can't help the fact that you don't watch much footy.

 

[hk89]

And the AFL engaged an external auditor to go through Geelong's programmes with a fine-toothed comb - but you still seem to think something untoward went on?

How naive. You really think the AFL had the stomach for extending the drugs debacle and really wanted to find anything? Here is the fine toothed comb they were using:

Even if they looked properly, they had plenty of heads up before the AFL arrived, because of what was already happening with Essendon.

 

[Max Caddy]

Having to abide by an AFL protocol and "some of their methods looked like blood doping" is not the same thing.

Mate - these are the words of your doctor - look them up!

 

[hk89]

Not sure how that's relevant? Why are you so mad? There is footy on this weekend! Who is your team playing?

Nice deflection. If you don't like people pointing out your Hawthorn related signature is about Hawthorn, then just change it. You could at least change the 16 to a 9 and count your flags like all clubs not embarrassed by their record do.

 

[hk89]

Mate - these are the words of your doctor - look them up!

You're making the claim, you find the quote. The doctors were talking to the AFL before the procedures were applied. Was Geelong talking to the AFL about the gear they were buying from Dank?

 

[Wojcinski]

Nice deflection. If you don't like people pointing out your Hawthorn related signature is about Hawthorn, then just change it. You could at least change the 16 to a 9 and count your flags like all clubs not embarrassed by their record do.

Haha is this real life? You brought up my unrelated signature after ignoring a number of my posts (where I completely embarrassed you and your mate) and now you're calling deflection because I'm trying to get back on topic?

You'd do well in the Bay if you were a little less dim!

 

[hk89]

Yes the current mob have definitely walked into a culture of big game failure haven't they. I bet a player like Sam Menegola bypassed Joel Selwood's handshake on his first day of training to go and laugh at the names on the lockers of guys he'd never heard of and shake his head in disbelief at their lack of success.

Wouldn't surprise me, it was that kind of disrespect that forced us to let him go

 

[hk89]

Haha is this real life? You brought up my unrelated signature

Not dim enough to believe that shit. I'm interested to hear your post-hoc bullshit excuse for what your Hawthorn flag count signature is really about. Must be hard to come up with something convincing, otherwise you'd have told us already.

 

[yeahmate]

Dear Geelong supporters, the Hawks lost on the weekend and your team is still in the race for a premiership. You can stop worrying about Hawthorn now (at least for this year).

 

[PhatBoy]

Dear Geelong supporters, the Hawks lost on the weekend and your team is still in the race for a premiership. You can stop worrying about Hawthorn now (at least for this year).

Dear you

The thread is about hawthorn.