Gibbs requests trade to Adelaide

[WaynesWorld19]

Go_Blues! if my above post and your feedback says the contract is renegotiated with the trade ......does Carlton ask for part of the monies they forward paid, believing they had a return from the player over 5 years?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Kane ....if Hartlett was the fall back position on Gibbs ...watch this board explode

IMO with only 4 days to go .....the best we can hope for is two players .....Gibbs a cert, and ????

Who goes for the 2nd player ? .......IMO picks, with Lyons, CEY, Otten, and Henderson the quartet of trade potentials

Not being biased here ......just not seeing Mackay / Douglas being traded whilst on contract ...has not been our style, and the others i named will be looking for greater opportunities

I can see Lyons & Otten going to Port though

Port can't afford any players unless they move hartlett to us or lobbe elsewhere.

 

[Paladin]

Can someone offer a good reason why our club isn't going for Nat Fyfe

Because he isn't leaving Fremantle and we need to find other attainable a grade mids. Its not a difficult concept rooch.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Tell him he's not getting a game. It'll cost him roughly $50,000 in match payments, or more like $100k over two years. That could convince him to look somewhere else.

Was speaking to someone involved ......they said 50 % of AFL Player contracts are unconditional (highly paid players) ....whilst the other 50% are on incentive contracts, which include match payments

Obviously Mackay is on the unconditional contract

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Can someone offer a good reason why our club isn't going for Nat Fyfe

Because he is under contract & has said he is going nowhere next year.

 

[dplggr47]

Port can't afford any players unless they move hartlett to us or lobbe elsewhere.

Why do Port fans keep telling me that they don't have salary cap pressures because they didn't have to pay Ryder/Monfries contracts this year and that extra money rolls over to next year, thereby having 'extra cash' or room to move.

 

[Go_Blues!]

This was my point ? .....if the AFL would be all over the Franklin deal if renegotiated ...why wouldn't that be the case with Gibbs ......or is that because the Franklin deal was his Unrestricted Free Agency offer?

Think i answered my own question

Still struggling with this situation:
Carlton sign Gibbs ...5 years @ $650K = $3.25M

Now Carlton forward pay .. example $2M over the first 2 years, leaving a balance of $1.25M over 3 years = $416K per year

Adelaide secures Gibbs with 3 years on his contract .....are you saying Gibbs still gets 3 years @ $650K or 3 years @416K??? .....this is what i'm struggling with in the process?

Neither. Adelaide negotiates a deal with Gibbs. It may be 400k but it might be 600k. Essentially, they renegotiate his contract. Carlton get screwed because the front-ended the deal. It needs to be remembered that they did this for their own advantage. They still get to choose to trade or not.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

This was my point ? .....if the AFL would be all over the Franklin deal if renegotiated ...why wouldn't that be the case with Gibbs ......or is that because the Franklin deal was his Unrestricted Free Agency offer?

Think i answered my own question

Still struggling with this situation:
Carlton sign Gibbs ...5 years @ $650K = $3.25M

Now Carlton forward pay .. example $2M over the first 2 years, leaving a balance of $1.25M over 3 years = $416K per year

Adelaide secures Gibbs with 3 years on his contract .....are you saying Gibbs still gets 3 years @ $650K or 3 years @416K??? .....this is what i'm struggling with in the process?

We would guarantee the $416k for 3 years, but would probably amend his contract to 4 years & increase his pa rate.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Port can't afford any players unless they move hartlett to us or lobbe elsewhere.

Correct, reiterated today on radio that Port have a real TPP issue .......Hartlett has to go, won't leave Sth Australia .....so options are?

They'll prefer draft picks, so your suggestion of Brisbane may come into play .......aren't we gald we gave Brisbane a priority pick

Maybe bundle Otten and another player in exchange for Rockliff?

 

[King Elvis]

Heard that also heard his reply was well see and is stepping up his training.
A few are putting in some hard yards, Looks Like Pyke gave the hard word to a few of them.

He tries hard - I don't think his commitment is the issue - he's just not that good.

Training harder isn't going to change that.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

We would guarantee the $416k for 3 years, but would probably amend his contract to 4 years & increase his pa rate.

Think what Go_Blues! is suggesting is that Gibbs will get the benefit of the forward contract payment PLUS 3 years @ $650K ??? ......no wonder he wants to come home

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Why do Port fans keep telling me that they don't have salary cap pressures because they didn't have to pay Ryder/Monfries contracts this year and that extra money rolls over to next year, thereby having 'extra cash' or room to move.

Last I heard this asada money was quarantined & couldn't be utilised.

Port have major cap issues.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Neither. Adelaide negotiates a deal with Gibbs. It may be 400k but it might be 600k. Essentially, they renegotiate his contract. Carlton get screwed because the front-ended the deal. It needs to be remembered that they did this for their own advantage. They still get to choose to trade or not.

Understand what you're saying ......but you can't ask for any of the forward payment back?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Prestia should get to the tigers for pick #5 & gold coast probably send back one of their many later picks.

Believe GC get pick 6 .....Richmond chasing GC's pick 30 in return

 

[baldandbroke]

He tries hard - I don't think his commitment is the issue - he's just not that good.

Training harder isn't going to change that.

Mackay's professionalism recognised
David Mackay’s outstanding preparation and attention to detail has been recognised, with the wingman awarded the Dr Brian Sando OAM Trophy.
http://www.afc.com.au/news/2016-09-23/mackays-professionalism-recognised

 

[Elite Crow]

Last I heard this asada money was quarantined & couldn't be utilised.

Port have major cap issues.

Typical afl can't spell out what is actually happening with this. Rucci is writing as if its a done deal

 

[baldandbroke]

Understand what you're saying ......but you can't ask for any of the forward payment back?

That would mean it is cheaper for Carlton to keep him - as they don't have as much to pay in the remainder of the contract. It's better for Gibbs as he earns more. Is that right? Surely not.

 

[CrowHop]

If he has no value, what's he doing in our best 22.

Do you have to be in the 22 to have any trade value ?


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[Kane McGoodwin]

Think what Go_Blues! is suggesting is that Gibbs will get the benefit of the forward contract payment PLUS 3 years @ $650K ??? ......no wonder he wants to come home

If Gibbs has 3 years left at $416k & we add a 4th year at say $650k, we can pay $475k pa or even front load it if we can afford to.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Totally agree. Will get done and is much closer than people think. As always, Adelaide are entirely professional and the clubs are working well together. I understand that we need a few things to happen with GWS before we can commit. Adelaide are comfortable and know what Carlton needs.

Is it GWS & Carlton sorting some things out ......or Adelaide having to get their part of the deal complete from 3rd parties?

Obviously Carlton want to use #13 in the Marchbank deal + ??

 

[King Elvis]

Mackay's professionalism recognised
David Mackay’s outstanding preparation and attention to detail has been recognised, with the wingman awarded the Dr Brian Sando OAM Trophy.
http://www.afc.com.au/news/2016-09-23/mackays-professionalism-recognised

I wonder if it came with a Hungry Jack's voucher

 

[GreyCrow]

Why do Port fans keep telling me that they don't have salary cap pressures because they didn't have to pay Ryder/Monfries contracts this year and that extra money rolls over to next year, thereby having 'extra cash' or room to move.

They tell lies that makes Baby Jesus cry

 

[Scorpus]

Was speaking to someone involved ......they said 50 % of AFL Player contracts are unconditional (highly paid players) ....whilst the other 50% are on incentive contracts, which include match payments

Obviously Mackay is on the unconditional contract

Match payments are still mandatory as far as I'm aware

 

[WaynesWorld19]

If Gibbs has 3 years left at $416k & we add a 4th year at say $650k, we can pay $475k pa or even front load it if we can afford to.

Great for us .....not sure Gibbs Manager will agree to that reduction ? ......Gibbs manager will want his cake (forward payment) + eat it too (the original $650K per year)

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Match payments are still mandatory as far as I'm aware

No definitely the higher paid players are unconditional contracts .....get full payments even if dropped