Play Nice 45th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 2 (cont in pt. 3)

[Bradesmaen]

Haha, you do realise it is not actually illegal to be a dole bludger like you keep saying, if you had another job and still collected the dole it would be welfare fraud, if someone has been on the dole for any length of time it is up to Center link to sort them out, what exactly could we dob them in for ?

You cant answer that

Like a few other posters on this board, you should change your bong water and open your blinds.

However, in your post you clearly indicated he was defrauding the system. So what is it? Was he defrauding it or was he just being a dole bludger.

At least keep your made up story consistent.

 

[Garlic muncher]

However, in your post you clearly indicated he was defrauding the system. So what is it? Was he defrauding it or was he just being a dole bludger.

At least keep your made up story consistent.

I will tell you another story, back when the Government used to mail dole cheques out, people would receive them every second Thursday, you could cash cheques in those days, particularly Government cheques, shops never asked for ID because it was as good as cash, dole bludgers used to cash them at the local deli, and buy their smokes etc etc.

The scam was to grab your cheque, cash it as soon as you can on a Thursday depending on the mail and then ring up the dole office saying the mail man has been and you suspect your cheque was stolen and you had no money - dutifully the dole Office would send another cheque out to you.

What do you think - true story, or i made that one up as well ?

 

[SilentHunter_]

A lot of people will disagree with this. But for the first time, I tip my hat off to Trump. Well done.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...821a62-6beb-11e7-96ab-5f38140b38cc_story.html

 

[GreyCrow]

A lot of people will disagree with this. But for the first time, I tip my hat off to Trump. Well done.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...821a62-6beb-11e7-96ab-5f38140b38cc_story.html

Someone has to make the 1st move and if this is a 1st move then so be it.

I do have concerns over it around the recent previous messaging and this AFTER meeting with Putin. Its not a good look and it further entrenches thoughts of Trump as Putins puppy.

Just three months ago, after the United States accused Assad of using chemical weapons, Trump launched retaliatory airstrikes against a Syrian air base. At the time, U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley, said that “in no way do we see peace in that area with Assad at the head of the Syrian government.”

 

[Crow54]

Via a link from the News and Guts Facebook page.

Harsh words from the Murdoch-owned The Wall Street Journal on Donald Trump and his shaky relationship with the truth.

My thoughts: Murdoch may be waking up after seeing the way things are going for Trump. Better to start jumping off before it's too late.

"The Trumps and the Truth
The best defense against future revelations is radical transparency."

Mr. Trump somehow seems to believe that his outsize personality and social-media following make him larger than the Presidency. He’s wrong. He and his family seem oblivious to the brutal realities of Washington politics. Those realities will destroy Mr. Trump, his family and their business reputation unless they change their strategy toward the Russia probe. They don’t have much more time to do it.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-trumps-and-the-truth-1500332545

 

[Ripper]

A lot of people will disagree with this. But for the first time, I tip my hat off to Trump. Well done.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...821a62-6beb-11e7-96ab-5f38140b38cc_story.html

Taking on the swamp. The GOPe's won't like thus at all, see grew crows post about Rupert.

See
https://pjmedia.com/video/judge-nap...the-russians-warrants-criminal-investigation/
https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2017/07/17/rex-tillerson-secretary-of-state-sabotage/

Who is ultimately responsible for U.S. foreign policy: the elected president of the United States, or the State Department, the CIA, and the media cartel?

That's the question that must be asked after the past month. Rex Tillerson and the State Department have repeatedly sabotaged President Trump's stated foreign policy position related to the ongoing crisis between the Gulf states and Qatar over the latter's sheltering and funding of terrorist groups operating in the region.

https://www.conservativereview.com/...of-state-makes-a-mockery-of-his-warsaw-speech

The greatest opportunity to unite the West against Islamists is to join the pile-on against Qatar and the Muslim Brotherhood, which has fomented much of the Sunni Islamic insurrection and is also friendly with the Iranians. And given that nine other Sunni Muslim countries have joined the effort to isolate Qatar, this is one issue where we can have our cake (strike out against fomenters of global terror) and eat it too (join with other Arab nations).

While Trump has savaged Qatar in his public speeches and on social media, Tillerson has been expending all his political capital to get the Arab nations to back off of Qatar. And meanwhile, Trump’s advisors have kept him from designating the Muslim Brotherhood a terror organization, while Arab countries such as Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and the United Arab Emirates banish the group from society. In that sense, we can’t even join with parts of Eastern civilization to combat the elements of the Islamic world we both detest.

 

[Ripper]

A lot of people will disagree with this. But for the first time, I tip my hat off to Trump. Well done.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...821a62-6beb-11e7-96ab-5f38140b38cc_story.html

The 4:05 will be crowded today!

 

[Todman]

A lot of people will disagree with this. But for the first time, I tip my hat off to Trump. Well done.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...821a62-6beb-11e7-96ab-5f38140b38cc_story.html

I don't think peace in Syria can be achieved without Assad still being in control. Hillary wanted Assad gone.

 

[WeetBixKid]

Someone has to make the 1st move and if this is a 1st move then so be it.

I do have concerns over it around the recent previous messaging and this AFTER meeting with Putin. Its not a good look and it further entrenches thoughts of Trump as Putins puppy.

Just three months ago, after the United States accused Assad of using chemical weapons, Trump launched retaliatory airstrikes against a Syrian air base. At the time, U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley, said that “in no way do we see peace in that area with Assad at the head of the Syrian government.”

Trump was proposing this kind of stuff re: Syria pre-election. He's just getting back on track.

 

[Ripper]

You lot might find this interesting background.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

You lot might find this interesting background.

Without watching the video i think it's safe to say that I won't find that interesting.

 

[Ripper]

Trump was proposing this kind of stuff re: Syria pre-election. He's just getting back on track.

All the Muh Russia nonsense has derailed this for 6 months.

 

[FredLeDeux]

All the Muh Russia nonsense has derailed this for 6 months.

I watched it, and I definitely found it interesting.
Particularly the way she managed to keep a straight face while spouting ridiculous propagandist lies.

 

[Gough]

All the Muh Russia nonsense has derailed this for 6 months.

Watergate took over two years from go to woe, and paralysed a presidency. Trump is facing the same problems, and will continue to do so even if the ultimate result is different.

 

[Ripper]

spouting ridiculous propagandist lies

Which were?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

All the Muh Russia nonsense has derailed this for 6 months.

Nonsense?

Still a hoax is it? Still no evidence of possible collusion?

I thought we had moved beyond that and were just exonerating them on legalities rather than actions.

 

[awaremind]

A lot of people will disagree with this. But for the first time, I tip my hat off to Trump. Well done.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...821a62-6beb-11e7-96ab-5f38140b38cc_story.html

It was obviously criminal to support jihadist rebels in a foreign nation to begin with. The suffering caused is huge. The buck for Syria stops with Obama. I doubt it was his idea, I thought he was a good guy, but too weak to stand up to the deep state chiefs. But, he was the president. Worth voting for trump just for this if it turns out to be true. Also it will be interesting to see if there is a Retaliatory attack/s soon after this move. The thing about helping monsters , once you stop helping them, they will try kill you too. Also strong resistance to this move by the people who supported it in the first place would be expected too.

 

[Showbags]

Can anyone explain to me the point of Trump repealing the estate tax? I'd like to hear Trump supporters try and defend this.

Mulvaney, Mnuchin and the corporate shills in the Republican Party are trying to sell the idea as a tax break for the average American. This is complete and utter horseshit as the estate tax doesn't apply to estates worth less than $5.5 million (married couples can give nearly $11 million without incurring the estate tax).

It can't be interpreted as anything other than Trump trying to help out his own family and rich mates. So much for him looking out for the middle class as he promised. This all comes within a backdrop of American income and wealth inequality being at record levels.

 

[GreyCrow]

Trump was proposing this kind of stuff re: Syria pre-election. He's just getting back on track.

From the New Yorker

Trump has said, “I’m very capable of changing to anything I want to change to.” In the case of Syria, however, he seems to have acted without a clear plan in place. During the campaign, he promised to “bomb the shit out of” isis, which holds territory in Syria, but he also said that it was foolish to become mired in the civil war, or to target Assad, who has opposed isis—at least, rhetorically. As recently as March 30th, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said that Assad’s future would be “decided by the Syrian people,” words that signalled a sharp departure from Obama’s insistence that Assad must leave office. Then, last Thursday, Tillerson seemed to shift direction, saying that “it would seem there would be no role” for Assad in Syria’s political future. But he later said, “I would not in any way attempt to extrapolate that to a change in our policy or our posture relative to our military activities in Syria today.”

From Fake News CNN

So far, President Trump has not gone beyond the declaration that he "will absolutely do safe zones" for the Syrian people. It's an idea he broached in November 2015 as a candidate, when he proposed building "a big beautiful safe zone and you have whatever it is so people can live, and they'll be happier."

And they all lived ever happily after, from the same article

The last option would be extremely perilous -- given the Russian presence and the hostility of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's regime -- and requires the injection of a substantial number of US military forces.
The Kremlin warned Thursday that "Washington must think about the potential consequences of establishing safe zones." Russia is perennially suspicious of Western plans to orchestrate regime change (think Libya, Serbia) disguised as humanitarian help.

And it is true most of the interventions based around humanitarian help are frontrunners for covert operations.

From ABC NEWS (US) discussing his stance pre and post election

The president also indicated that he had changed his mind about the country's leader, President Bashar al-Assad, for whom he had expressed support for "killing ISIS," though saying he didn't like him.

"I like to think of myself as a very flexible person. I don't have to have one specific way, and if the world changes, I go the same way," Trump said. "It's already happened, that my attitude towards Syria and [President Bashar al-]Assad has changed very much."

In the last week of the election, Trump worked Syria into a few of his campaign speeches, using it as a dig at Clinton.

"Now she wants to start a shooting war in Syria in conflict with nuclear-armed Russia. Frankly, it could lead to World War III and she has no sense," he said at a rally in Miami on Nov. 2.

I dont mind this thinking: move carefully in that area because there is so much below the surface than above

In an interview with The New York Times on Nov. 23, Trump said he had "some very strong ideas on Syria," but refused to publicly give specifics.

"I can only say this: We have to end that craziness that’s going on in Syria," he said, before taking the conversation off the record.

In a Jan. 25 interview with ABC News’ David Muir in the White House, Trump said that he’ll “absolutely do safe zones” to provide a space for refugees fleeing the conflict.

The reality is he has only had an opinion on the dangers of getting involved in Syria and the dangers the refugee issue creates. Both of them valid and neither of them ( to me) a good reason to remove people already in place. Certainly the ideal is a for Syria to oust Assad on their own , but then why dont people ask Russia to leave as well?

 

[Ripper]

Still a hoax is it?

Yep.

 

[Bennett.]

Without watching the video i think it's safe to say that I won't find that interesting.

i.e I'm not watching anything that challenges my preconceived bias so I don't look or feel silly.

 

[Bennett.]

Shhhhh, don't tell anyone ok?

 

[Ripper]

I watched it, and I definitely found it interesting.
Particularly the way she managed to keep a straight face while spouting ridiculous propagandist lies.

Here's an account from a Swede.

Local activists and first responders such as the White Helmets constantly reported about the huge destruction caused by air strikes, bombings of residential buildings and hospitals, etc. Did you have the chance to speak to one of them?

No. I did not meet anyone from this alleged humanitarian organization that has been funded with US$100 million. I met a few locals who had heard about them, but none who had seen them or been assisted by them during these years of occupation. Where should they have been if not in Eastern Aleppo helping tens of thousands after the liberation from four years of hell? Instead, I met Syrian youth volunteers, mostly from Aleppo's university and from the Syrian Arab Red Crescent, an organization which has not been so fortunate in receiving western funding.
http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/Aleppo-At-Best-a-Small-Part-of-the-Truth-20170215-0012.html

Jan Oberg is a peace researcher, international mediator, art photographer and director of the Transnational Foundation in Sweden.

 

[awaremind]

From the New Yorker

Trump has said, “I’m very capable of changing to anything I want to change to.” In the case of Syria, however, he seems to have acted without a clear plan in place. During the campaign, he promised to “bomb the shit out of” isis, which holds territory in Syria, but he also said that it was foolish to become mired in the civil war, or to target Assad, who has opposed isis—at least, rhetorically. As recently as March 30th, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said that Assad’s future would be “decided by the Syrian people,” words that signalled a sharp departure from Obama’s insistence that Assad must leave office. Then, last Thursday, Tillerson seemed to shift direction, saying that “it would seem there would be no role” for Assad in Syria’s political future. But he later said, “I would not in any way attempt to extrapolate that to a change in our policy or our posture relative to our military activities in Syria today.”

From Fake News CNN

So far, President Trump has not gone beyond the declaration that he "will absolutely do safe zones" for the Syrian people. It's an idea he broached in November 2015 as a candidate, when he proposed building "a big beautiful safe zone and you have whatever it is so people can live, and they'll be happier."

And they all lived ever happily after, from the same article

The last option would be extremely perilous -- given the Russian presence and the hostility of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's regime -- and requires the injection of a substantial number of US military forces.
The Kremlin warned Thursday that "Washington must think about the potential consequences of establishing safe zones." Russia is perennially suspicious of Western plans to orchestrate regime change (think Libya, Serbia) disguised as humanitarian help.

And it is true most of the interventions based around humanitarian help are frontrunners for covert operations.

From ABC NEWS (US) discussing his stance pre and post election

The president also indicated that he had changed his mind about the country's leader, President Bashar al-Assad, for whom he had expressed support for "killing ISIS," though saying he didn't like him.

"I like to think of myself as a very flexible person. I don't have to have one specific way, and if the world changes, I go the same way," Trump said. "It's already happened, that my attitude towards Syria and [President Bashar al-]Assad has changed very much."

In the last week of the election, Trump worked Syria into a few of his campaign speeches, using it as a dig at Clinton.

"Now she wants to start a shooting war in Syria in conflict with nuclear-armed Russia. Frankly, it could lead to World War III and she has no sense," he said at a rally in Miami on Nov. 2.

I dont mind this thinking: move carefully in that area because there is so much below the surface than above

In an interview with The New York Times on Nov. 23, Trump said he had "some very strong ideas on Syria," but refused to publicly give specifics.

"I can only say this: We have to end that craziness that’s going on in Syria," he said, before taking the conversation off the record.

In a Jan. 25 interview with ABC News’ David Muir in the White House, Trump said that he’ll “absolutely do safe zones” to provide a space for refugees fleeing the conflict.

The reality is he has only had an opinion on the dangers of getting involved in Syria and the dangers the refugee issue creates. Both of them valid and neither of them ( to me) a good reason to remove people already in place. Certainly the ideal is a for Syria to oust Assad on their own , but then why dont people ask Russia to leave as well?

You don't seem to recognise that if Assad lost and Isis (the strongest jihadi group) won, there would have been a blood bath, piles of heads in the thousands. How supporting this-because this is the most likely outcome of Assads military defeat is even considered anything but abominable is beyond me.

 

[Gough]

John McCain has just been diagnosed with brain cancer. Practically this means the Republican majority in the Senate narrows further if he has time off for treatment.