Rumour GFC 2017 Player Trading, Drafting, FA, Rumours, and Wish lists.

[catswhiskers]

Well theres the winner of the NSIS post of the week.

Almost troll like in its absurdity...

Is Bobby back??????

 

[Turbocat]

North will trade for anyone but no one wants to go there.

A destination club can pivot quickly to mainly discards and draft club.
Thats he advantage I guess with the USA system of forced trades.. better outcomes for the club trading out. I believe players can have stipulations in their contract after a certain period ..but it would be interesting just how the Ablett situation would pan out ... if GC said he is going to the best deal

 

[Turbocat]

Not so bullish about parsons, simpson and buzza. Role players at best. Buzza is a battler and has good hustle but lacks talent. Parsons didnt do enough in either afl or vfl for me. Simpson is another imbetweener not a mid and not a forward

You are talking about 3 players who have made their debut this year ... Simpson is probably years away from having his body mature.

 

[BigCat1]

Those listening to SEN with Sam McLure

Said it was 75-25 to the cats who made a full pitch with Chris Scott last week but that is now very much 50-50 with Essendon over the last 48 hrs. Says the tide is turning Essendon's way and that they are at very least equal favorites.

When asked about money he said that Ess wouldn't pay more and that the Geel and Ess deals would be very close. Said Rich and Haw the only other clubs to have a meeting.

Thought Dev Smith was still Carl with Geel still a chance.

 

[Turbocat]

I've heard different.
We are huge into him and he is keen on us, has met with our leadership group and thinks our culture will be the best thing for him.

That's coming from a good source as well

Purely our culture Willo? Stringer presents to me as a bit of classical Geelong recruit.. a country boy that went to the city and may be happier with our overall advantages. I do think times have changed a bit from GA sr times ... any player has to conform to professional requirements ... so while he was checking us out..I hope we check him out forensically before saying yes. I have an apprehension about the amount of players we have brought in from outside and will continue to bring in ... at what point does the Geelong culture...start to get swamped by the Carlton/Dogs/Suns culture etc.

 

[catman2006]

Not fussed if we missed both those targets

 

[Mahlepi]

seems like Stringer is slipping away, 2nd meeting with Bombers & North willing to part with 4th pick.

i would not believe any of the crap being dished out
north would want a lot back in return
the last thing stringer needs is the pressure with going to north - gtee to end his career

 

[catman2006]

i would not believe any of the crap being dished out
north would want a lot back in return
the last thing stringer needs is the pressure with going to north - gtee to end his career

North could offer Goldy and still keep pick 4

 

[BORIS332]

Not so bullish about parsons, simpson and buzza. Role players at best. Buzza is a battler and has good hustle but lacks talent. Parsons didnt do enough in either afl or vfl for me. Simpson is another imbetweener not a mid and not a forward

I certainly wouldn't say Buzza lacks talent.

 

[Turbocat]

i would not believe any of the crap being dished out
north would want a lot back in return
the last thing stringer needs is the pressure with going to north - gtee to end his career

I do not understand why StK have not been linked..with the picks they have and Roo retirement... Stringer not interested?

 

[Spearman]

I have no major concerns with these players. If Ablett Stringer Smith come it will allow us to train them up for two or three years in the reserves, build them in to real players. Not force them too early. Give them time to develop frames and stamina. We could the give them development time like we did with the ablett chapman bartel stevie j group.
Give simpson zuthrie parsons cunico parfitt buzza narkle jones this time together in the twos we could end with a future cohesive group

Yes, train them together with some senior games to not fossilize them as VFL stars.

 

[CatTricks]

Link: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-09-27/are-the-cats-right-to-roll-the-dice-on-ablett

Uncontracted Bulldog Stewart Crameri is not on the Cats' radar with the Cats emphatically rejecting any suggestion it was targeting the 29-year-old.

Thank **** for that!

 

[Nickoo]

In the AFL wash up all three panelists indicated Cats on the slide next year between 8-5 and definitely no top 4 for the foreseeable future. Must go back to draft and start again.

We were lucky to finish top 2 this year, but I'd say with clever recruiting and a healthier list we might actually improve but the commentariat have been pretty close to the mark so far with their pick for Adel but they all had Syd in it so flop there.


Go Cats!!!!!

 

[Hamingja]

Not fussed if we missed both those targets

I would be if Motlop and Menzel leave and only Ablett comes in. We need goal scoring options.

 

[fronkalicious]

Don't worry our reasonable posters are not posting that.

I still think either 20 and another 20s pick (assuming we get one off GC) or our 2018 1st and 20 for stringer and 26 are in the ballpark, possibly add a fringe player (doesn't need to be stanley) if there's one your club is keen on.

Agree that 2018 first and 20 for stringer and 26 is around the mark. Highly doubt we'll use 39 so that could be in play as well.

 

[Lager]

In the AFL wash up all three panelists indicated Cats on the slide next year between 8-5 and definitely no top 4 for the foreseeable future. Must go back to draft and start again.

We were lucky to finish top 2 this year, but I'd say with clever recruiting and a healthier list we might actually improve but the commentariat have been pretty close to the mark so far with their pick for Adel but they all had Syd in it so flop there.


Go Cats!!!!!

They've been saying that since 2010!

 

[cats_09]

In the AFL wash up all three panelists indicated Cats on the slide next year between 8-5 and definitely no top 4 for the foreseeable future. Must go back to draft and start again.

We were lucky to finish top 2 this year, but I'd say with clever recruiting and a healthier list we might actually improve but the commentariat have been pretty close to the mark so far with their pick for Adel but they all had Syd in it so flop there.


Go Cats!!!!!

Same thing was said 12 months ago and at the start of this season - some even had us missing the 8 all together.

They say it in the hope of being right - and I guess one day they could be.

 

[Landgraft]

Same thing was said 12 months ago and at the start of this season - some even had us missing the 8 all together.

They say it in the hope of being right - and I guess one day they could be.

Yup. They don't even bother with any internal consistency, clearly they rate Sydney and not us yet knocking Sydney out to make the prelim is overlooked to make this season anything more than a 6.5 in spite of them not even seeing us as top 4.

Honestly the worst part is just that guys like Lyon are paid to give their random surface thoughts and kneejerks to be presented on an AFL platform as meaningful.

 

[Strange Cat]

Been reported in the Hun that stringer has meet up Richmond

Best to check all his options I guess, how the tigers can afford him I have no idea

 

[CatTricks]

Been reported in the Hun that stringer has meet up Richmond

Best to check all his options I guess, how the tigers can afford him I have no idea

And he already turned them down which is why they said they are no longer interested on SEN this morning.

 

[cats_09]

Been reported in the Hun that stringer has meet up Richmond

Best to check all his options I guess, how the tigers can afford him I have no idea

Maybe his has mates there and is suggesting they come to Geelong

Much in the same vein as Prestia with Caddy last year

 

[Strange Cat]

And he already turned them down which is why they said they are no longer interested on SEN this morning.

Cheers didn't know

 

[Johnny Cattery]

100%. Of course AFL players in general play under far more strain than VFL players. But in terms of kids that don't get contested roles and will have their minutes managed I'd like to see more hard facts behind the different impacts on players bodies. I wonder if there are any recently departed medicos that would talk on the issue...

Actually had an interesting chat with a medico-type person about this in relation to rugby league. His words: "if you and I went out there, we'd get killed." His view was that it's a whole collection of things that make elite athletes in contact sports able to absorb physical impact that most couldn't.

Among these are the body habituating to hits of slowly greater impact as players move up through the age brackets; the increasing emphasis on strength training that goes with higher levels of footy (I'm assuming this is true also for Australian rules); the far better reflex times of elite players that allow them to respond more quickly - along with elite anticipation of when hits will come (so there is muscle preparation). Which in part explains why players can absorb incredible hits they see coming, then get flattened by something they don't.

(ON which, watched the Sloane-Danger collision a few times this morning. Sloane goes for Danger, while Danger goes for the ball. He knows it's coming but he thinks they'll be shoulder to shoulder. I don't think he 'stayed down'. You could argue, he was put down.)

If you compare something as simple as weights and heights, a 'big' player at local footy is significantly smaller than a 'big' guy at AFL level, with the state league players somewhere in between. So at the highest level, AFL they are being hit harder, hit faster, and hit more often. And management has its limits. Scott claimed that players like Zac Guthrie were being 'protected' in terms of the role they are being asked to play, but when the game moves so quickly it's not feasible to think that under-size players can just be tasked with avoiding contact. Motlop being taken out by Hawkins early in his career set him back, a lot.

And in fact I didn't necessarily mean playing VFL when I said first-year players probably shouldn't play a full season in their first year. I had in mind that they should be given regular rests, say every four to six weeks - with the bye, that would mean playing 20 games instead of 22. I think it would be better for them longer term. It's true the club would be monitoring their recovery closely but we know that they ask players to red-line far more often than they admit.

This year we were a hell of a lot better at giving younger players games than we have been since 2011, and that's positive. Apart from motivating them and giving them confidence (as well as a reality check about what they need to do to get better), the club would be making more informed decisions about who it wanted to keep. (I wouldn't be amazed to see a couple of those who did play being de-listed or not renewed - I take it that being played doesn't just mean you're being rewarded, it means you're being tested).

Hopefully the new practice of giving more players a run in the ones earlier in their careers means more effective decision-making than we have seen. Keeping a player like Hamling for three years, not playing him, then effectively telling him to piss off by only offering him a rookie position was a stuff-up, especially when we had injuries to key backs in his third year. But I need to get over it.

 

[catswhiskers]

The first year players are heavily managed . Only mature bodied recruits play VFL week on week (and even they are rested occasionally).

The smaller kids get 4 or 5 games off a year even if they are fit. If injured the return time seems to be - get fit then plus 2 weeks.

Like managing a 2YO racehorse.

 

[Nickoo]

And he already turned them down which is why they said they are no longer interested on SEN this morning.

I actually heard him on the radio not long after this all started saying that there were two people that had had an enormous impact on him; Scarlo and Moons. So I suspect this is from when Scarlo was at the dogs but was Moons there as well and as what that he could have an impact such that he comments that these two people are very important and still so.


Go Cats!!!!!