List Mgmt. 2017 Trade & Free Agency Discussion Thread

[Kanga1996]

Who said it? I'll have to find the audio and plaster it everywhere. Cheating scum! Never change.

Was a caller who said he had been complaining about this for 2 years .. was around 6.45 this morning.

 

[Orange Peanut]

-m look at the deal between the Celtics and the Nets in the NBA which has turned one franchise into an utter basket case with one stroke of a pen.

Yeah can we not?

 

[Snake_Baker]

The compensation payments aren’t included in the TTP & apparently these payments/amounts weren’t disclosed to the AFL (which I highly doubt ) So they won’t exceed the TTP..


Basically they took pay cuts to receive higher compensation payments for the drug saga

Okay, I can deal with that.

How does this impact overall salary cap payments?

e.g. Do * have 12 players who have been paid extra coin outside of their cap, so they can now facilitate another 2 million dollars worth of players?

 

[Kanga1996]

e.g. Do * have 12 players who have been paid extra coin outside of their cap, so they can now facilitate another 2 million dollars worth of players?

Yep 100% correct.

 

[Samsquanch]

Okay, I can deal with that.

How does this impact overall salary cap payments?

e.g. Do * have 12 players who have been paid extra coin outside of their cap, so they can now facilitate another 2 million dollars worth of players?

Best thing that ever happened to them. Set them up for life. Or the next few years, whatever ends first.

 

[Mr_Nyah]

Dunno FG, let’s go with north finishing 11th and * finishing 6th in 2018. Will also assume we are nominated by Scott, Crocker, Thomas but not Blakey.

We lose:
2017 – pick 21
2018 – pick 43

We gain:
2018 – pick 12
2018 – pick 66

Don’t see much net benefit to us plus a lot can change in 1 year. Based on that trade I’d rather bring in 2x quality kids right now with 4+21 and have them get a year in the system than wait for a potential payday next year. There’s something in the concept but I’d be wanting more incentive to break *’s impasse for them.

Something that is widely accepted in US sports (especially NFL) when trading future picks is that a future pick is less valuable the further into the future it is. For example, pick 21 this year is more valuable than pick 21 next year right now, because you have to wait 12 months to use it. In NFL the pick is usually downgraded by a round - next year's first is only worth this year's second. No way known I'd be trading pick 21 this year for what is likely going to be about pick 12-16 next year, given there's the lost 12 months, and you're only looking at a 5-9 pick upgrade. If it was a team that was going to end bottom 8, sure I'd do that trade, but not a team expected to end top 6.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Yep 100% correct.

**** off!

That is ****ing preposterous!

 

[kangaanth]

Something that is widely accepted in US sports (especially NFL) when trading future picks is that a future pick is less valuable the further into the future it is. For example, pick 21 this year is more valuable than pick 21 next year right now, because you have to wait 12 months to use it. In NFL the pick is usually downgraded by a round - next year's first is only worth this year's second. No way known I'd be trading pick 21 this year for what is likely going to be about pick 12-16 next year, given there's the lost 12 months, and you're only looking at a 5-9 pick upgrade. If it was a team that was going to end bottom 8, sure I'd do that trade, but not a team expected to end top 6.

What if next years draft was exponentially stronger and you desperately needed points to accomodate academy and father son players?

 

[Snake_Baker]

What if next years draft was exponentially stronger and you desperately needed points to accomodate academy and father son players?

We could dip in to the 2019 draft points.

 

[giantroo]

 

[Mr_Nyah]

What if next years draft was exponentially stronger and you desperately needed points to accomodate academy and father son players?

My post was more a general comment about how the AFL industry as a whole doesn't seem to appreciate that future picks are less valuable, but...

How many additional points do we get for upgrading 6 picks, and also downgrading a third to a fourth like was suggested? Barely enough to justify helping a hated rival. And like Snake mentioned, we can dip into 2019's haul to make up the rest. In fact, given the supposed strength of next year's draft, I hope we end bottom 2 so we can get an elite draftee in before then paying for father-sons and academy players.

 

[giantroo]

 

[gokangas]

So today it all starts. I wonder if North has a surprise deal up our sleeve? Any predictions?

 

[MagicDaw]

Would surprise me if that was the case!

 

[giantroo]

Trengove confirmed his impending departure to the Kennel on Friday when he submitted the official free agency paperwork with the AFL. It is believed the Bulldogs' offer is for four years and worth about $2 million.


Port's pending acquisition of fellow free agents Rockliff and Motlop means it won't receive a compensation pick for Trengove.


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One less pick to worry about.

 

[King Corey]

So today it all starts. I wonder if North has a surprise deal up our sleeve? Any predictions?

@NMFCOfficial
North Melbourne has lodged paperwork to bring former number 2 selection Jack Trengrove to the club under free agency

 

[giantroo]

Trengove: Why the Dogs

• Great result after a couple of weeks of not going. Pretty exciting to land at the Bulldogs.
• Dogs have a great young list, they’ll bounce back pretty hard next year. Finals and premierships and to come back home.
• I think I can help them. Not sure where my best footy will be for them, but hopefully stick in the one spot.
• Perhaps down back.
• Impressed with the way Luke Beveridge treats his players. Very honest with me.
• Was dropped to the SANFL late in the season, thought I could have come back into the side and helped Port Adelaide.

 

[FloozyRoozy]

Does anyone know what we are doing this free agency/trade week? Nothing as usual no doubt.

 

[nicko74]

Yep 100% correct.

How is that legal?

 

[North Viking]

According to SEN Just now ‘North didn’t move quick enough on Saad’ given that he wants to move back to the northern suburbs due to family reasons.

 

[King Corey]

According to SEN Just now ‘North didn’t move quick enough on Saad’ given that he wants to move back to the northern suburbs due to family reasons.

Media 101: turn all stories into a bad news North story

They shitbagging Carlton at the same time then?

 

[GreatBradScott]

According to SEN Just now ‘North didn’t move quick enough on Saad’ given that he wants to move back to the northern suburbs due to family reasons.

If we didn't already have flanker defenders coming out of our a***holes perhaps. *shrug*

 

[giantroo]

According to SEN Just now ‘North didn’t move quick enough on Saad’ given that he wants to move back to the northern suburbs due to family reasons.

Hahaha. So now it's too slow but before it was too early. Can never win.

 

[Gorman2Geister]

@NMFCOfficial
North Melbourne has lodged paperwork to bring former number 2 selection Jack Trengrove to the club under free agency

Reported.

 

[Horace]

The compensation payments aren’t included in the TTP & apparently these payments/amounts weren’t disclosed to the AFL (which I highly doubt ) So they won’t exceed the TTP..


Basically they took pay cuts to receive higher compensation payments for the drug saga

*they and the *players really are a very devious lot. *they will always cheat. And the *players of course are in to the cheating like ferrets down a rabbit burrow.

*essendon should have been de-registered and removed from the AFL. *they are a disgrace.