List Mgmt. 2017 Trade/Draft/FA SuperMegaUltra Thread - Post Trade-Period Edition

[Eagle Wrath]

Wasn't Partington and Mutimer racking up some pretty decent numbers in the WALF?

And how many years older is Kelly?

Is Kelly that much better than Ah chee? Ah chee cost us a 3rd to 4th round downgrade. We certainly wouldn't trade pick 26 for Ah chee so why use pick 26 on Kelly?

This is the point isn't it? Pick 26 IMO is reaching for Kelly when there are quality kids available around that pick.

If Tim Kelly was 17/18 yrs old this year he would probably be a top 5 pick this year, with his explosiveness, strength and contested footy. Him being 23 doesn't worry me. He was the only mature age invited to the draft combine and he's past those wasted few years where a player is too small to play seniors.
I wouldn't want to draft all mature age but 1 or 2 this year wouldn't be a bad thing. Choosing Kelly at 26 still leaves 13, 21, 32, 37 and 69 for young guys. Plus the rookie draft. If we can get Kelly later, all the better but It sounds like Carlton might grab him at pick 30. There is even talk, Geelong might get him with 22 or 24. We can't stop Geelong without using pick 21 but we should use 26 I believe to stop Carlton.

Kelly will be able to step straight into the midfield next year and has the bigger body so will be able to survive there. He also has the acceleration and inside/outside mid attributes we are desperate for. And we are desperate for ball carriers I believe. Shuey, Yeo and Gaff are probably our only ones and Jetta when he feels like it, and that is something Kelly will add to the team. (I hope Ah Chee and Venables will as well)
Kelly has also shown he is very good in the forward line, kicking bags of goals in some WAFL games, so he will be dangerous when resting forward.

All these young kids we draft won't get much midfield time next year due to their body size, so we need some midfield help for next year.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

From Zookata's phantom draft he has WCE picking:

13. Constable
21. Oscar Allen
26. Brayden Ainsworth
32. Dylan Moore
37. Andrew Mcpherson

No real surprise with the first 2 picks- fair-good chance of that being correct.

The last 3 are interesting though as they are all names I don't recall seeing mentioned yet on this thread (3000+ posts).

Those in the know- what do you make of these 3 kids and would WCE be looking at them?

Ainsworth at 26 is a massive reach. He is a 4th rounder in my mind - he has a load of work to do on his kicking which lets him down as he is good at getting involved. Saw enough of him in 2017 to say he is not going to be a best 22 for a long time if ever. He feels like depth and a wasted pick.

Moore on the other hand is spot on. He offers both small forward and will be more than serviceable in the midfield rotations (maybe not immediately - may take a couple of years).

37 for an injury impacted half back flanker seems like a reach as well. Do we really want another HBF? Maybe pick 69 but not 37

 

[Eagle Wrath]

At 32 would you rather Starcevich or Worpel? Starcevich or Spargo?

What happened to Spargo this year. If you watch the intro of the Team Judd/Olouglin game last year, he was captain and touted as top 1 or 2 midfield pick. Come draft, he is now a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

 

[Monocle]

What happened to Spargo this year. If you watch the intro of the Team Judd/Olouglin game last year, he was captain and touted as top 1 or 2 midfield pick. Come draft, he is now a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

Injured shoulder curtailed his season, which was unfortunate as I rate the kid and would have loved to have seen him ply his craft against the best in the Championships and the All Star Games. He is a definite second rounder IMO.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Hey everyone, check out DSs love for Marsden.

"Dark Sharks and Marsden sittin in a tree..."

Goodbye cruel world

 

[liam123]

Goodbye cruel world

Where is your tie son? And please tuck that shirt in.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

We also have two new mids who should be ready to go round 1 in Ah chee and Venables not to mention Duggan, Nelson, Cole, Partington and Mutimer who all can play inside / outside roles. Add Yeo as another rotation to spend more time in the middle.

Not sure what happened to Mutimer, but his form really dropped after his 4 games with the Eagles. Will need to at least get back to the level he was at before his debut to be any chance to get a game next year. Would be good to see Nelson and Cole get more time in the midfield.

 

[Obeanie1]

If Tim Kelly was 17/18 yrs old this year he would probably be a top 5 pick this year, with his explosiveness, strength and contested footy. Him being 23 doesn't worry me. He was the only mature age invited to the draft combine and he's past those wasted few years where a player is too small to play seniors.
I wouldn't want to draft all mature age but 1 or 2 this year wouldn't be a bad thing. Choosing Kelly at 26 still leaves 13, 21, 32, 37 and 69 for young guys. Plus the rookie draft. If we can get Kelly later, all the better but It sounds like Carlton might grab him at pick 30. There is even talk, Geelong might get him with 22 or 24. We can't stop Geelong without using pick 21 but we should use 26 I believe to stop Carlton.

Kelly will be able to step straight into the midfield next year and has the bigger body so will be able to survive there. He also has the acceleration and inside/outside mid attributes we are desperate for. And we are desperate for ball carriers I believe. Shuey, Yeo and Gaff are probably our only ones and Jetta when he feels like it, and that is something Kelly will add to the team. (I hope Ah Chee and Venables will as well)
Kelly has also shown he is very good in the forward line, kicking bags of goals in some WAFL games, so he will be dangerous when resting forward.

All these young kids we draft won't get much midfield time next year due to their body size, so we need some midfield help for next year.

2018 Midfield Depth Rankings

1. Shuey
2. Gaff
3. Yeo - utility
4. Naitanui
5. Sheed
6. Venables
7. Duggan - mid / back
8. Redden
9. Masten
10. Jetta
11. Hutchings
12. Ah Chee
13. Kelly?
14. Nelson - mid / back
15. Partington - mid / forward
16. Cole - mid/ back
17. Karpany - mid / forward
18. Pick 13 Clark / Constable - already a decent size could play in 2018
19. Pick 32 Worpel - mature body could play in 2018
20. Pick 69 Grigg / Scloithe - more mature agers to help in 2018

How many ready to go mids do we need for 2018?

 

[Eagle Wrath]

2018 Midfield Depth Rankings

1. Shuey
2. Gaff
3. Yeo - utility
4. Naitanui
5. Sheed
6. Venables
7. Duggan - mid / back
8. Redden


How many ready to go mids do we need for 2018?

When it comes to center bounce clearance type, starting midfielders. I only really count 3 midfielders, 4 with Ah Chee. I expect Venables to come on but
the rest are still unknowns in the midfield like Duggan, Partington, Cole, Mutimer.

1. Shuey
2. Gaff - Wingman
3. Yeo - Could be anything All Australian at HB
4. Naitanui - Midfield bull
5. Sheed
6. Venables
7. Duggan -
8. Redden
9. Masten- East Perth star
10. Jetta - Wingman/benchwarmer
11. Hutchings - Tagger/benchwarmer

12. Ah Chee
13. Kelly?

14. Nelson - - HB
15. Partington - mid / forward
16. Cole - mid/ back
17. Karpany - HF

 

[eagles rule]

Anyone think we might rookie list Patrick Farrent his highlights are pretty good with the little 1% s that I look for the clever little tap ons ,a urgent attack on the back , also right foot snap on goal and then a left foot shot on goal without breaking stride then collects ball on boundary and then underground hand pass to advantage whilst being tackled by 2 players.

Late pick 69 or Rookie I wouldn’t mind taking a chance ..



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[avishka5]

Freo mates rekons Zac Clarke toured west coast lol.

 

[darksquare]

From Zookata's phantom draft he has WCE picking:

13. Constable
21. Oscar Allen
26. Brayden Ainsworth
32. Dylan Moore
37. Andrew Mcpherson

No real surprise with the first 2 picks- fair-good chance of that being correct.

The last 3 are interesting though as they are all names I don't recall seeing mentioned yet on this thread (3000+ posts).

Those in the know- what do you make of these 3 kids and would WCE be looking at them?

Firstly, let me say that I am far from being in the know. But I've been reading everyone's draft threads obsessively, so I can report what other people know, or say they know...

I agree that we could use Dylan Moore's type. We're short of at least one and probably two small-med size players who can hit the scoreboard - either dedicated forwards or mid-forwards. My list of those has Higgins, Miers, Spargo, Moore, Fritsch, Ryan. There are likely more.

That's not the only place I've seen Ainsworth suggested for us; but at pick 26 there would probably be 20 players I'd rather take - Miers and Spargo for a start, Bailey, L Fogarty, Garner, Kelly...

Andrew McPherson is highly rated by some, but I think he's been injured, so not a lot of opportunity to judge him on recent form. Someone might take him in the 30s, but I doubt it would be us, given our depth in the HBF position.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Freo mates rekons Zac Clarke toured west coast lol.

Big deal, i've toured the West Coast plenty of times.

Esperence is worth a look. But then there's Albany, Coral Bay, Exmouth...

 

[avishka5]

Big deal, i've toured the West Coast plenty of times.

Esperence is worth a look. But then there's Albany, Coral Bay, Exmouth...

Lel

 

[Feeling Groovy]

2018 Midfield Depth Rankings

1. Shuey
2. Gaff
3. Yeo - utility
4. Naitanui
5. Sheed
6. Venables
7. Duggan - mid / back
8. Redden
9. Masten
10. Jetta
11. Hutchings
12. Ah Chee
13. Kelly?
14. Nelson - mid / back
15. Partington - mid / forward
16. Cole - mid/ back
17. Karpany - mid / forward
18. Pick 13 Clark / Constable - already a decent size could play in 2018
19. Pick 32 Worpel - mature body could play in 2018
20. Pick 69 Grigg / Scloithe - more mature agers to help in 2018

How many ready to go mids do we need for 2018?

There is a reason why we traded our first next year for several picks this year and (in my mind at least) that was to re-balance our midfield and age profile in particular. Many of the players you list as mids are not really mids or are not proven/inconsistent/we are trying to phase out. We are severely lacking in the 22 to 25 age bracket for midfield depth (although Ah Chee addresses that a bit) and have a few younger players that have proven nothing in the midfield. Whilst I think Duggan, Nelson and Cole will have AFL careers, it is yet to be determined where their best position is. Partington is neat but really doesn't have the size to impact as a full time mid at the moment, Mutimer may or may not make it and Venables is currently a HFF we all hope will be a pure mid.

Whilst I can agree that there may be arguments for not reaching for Kelly when we could get Grigg or Scloithe who are in the right age bracket etc and may have similar performances later in the draft, if we feel Kelly fits what we need (and personally I do from my limited knowledge), reaching on one of our picks for the right fit isn't a problem. Of course it will depend on who else is on the board but we seem to have been keen on Kelly for a while and he is an immediate impact player that fits a particular need that changes the dynamics of our midfield (assuming his form translates to AFL). For me it isn't about who is the best player for each of our picks but rather what is the best balance of players we get from all of our picks taking into consideration what our team needs now and going forward.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Freo mates rekons Zac Clarke toured west coast lol.

Would happily take on rookie list. Fourth ruck

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Also don't ever put constables name against our pick 13. So slow he pulled out of testing to avoid having numbers show up.

 

[twce13]

I don't get the take Kelly at 26 because Carlton might take him at 30 argument.

Do we take worpel at 21 also if there are rumors that Geelong might take him at 22.

Who cares what other clubs are doing, at 26 we take the player we rate the most, not the player we fear might be taken by another club . If kelly is deemed avilable at 26 then so be it, but if there is a better option (i.e. Zac Bailey) then I sure do hope we take him.

 

[dispute]

I don't get the take Kelly at 26 because Carlton might take him at 30 argument.

Do we take worpel at 21 also if there are rumors that Geelong might take him at 22.

Who cares what other clubs are doing, at 26 we take the player we rate the most, not the player we fear might be taken by another club . If kelly is deemed avilable at 26 then so be it, but if there is a better option (i.e. Zac Bailey) then I sure do hope we take him.

Aren't we taking the player that is the best fit for the club? Maybe WC have a designated role for Kelly so why risk missing him.

 

[new breed]

I don't get the take Kelly at 26 because Carlton might take him at 30 argument.

Do we take worpel at 21 also if there are rumors that Geelong might take him at 22.

Who cares what other clubs are doing, at 26 we take the player we rate the most, not the player we fear might be taken by another club . If kelly is deemed avilable at 26 then so be it, but if there is a better option (i.e. Zac Bailey) then I sure do hope we take him.

Our midfield needs a few players that can play next season is the reason why Kelly will probably be taken at pick 26 ...I recall West Coast saying they are pleased with their picks in the draft with a few ( first two picks ) to be used on young talent .

Overpaying slightly but that's why we made the deal with GC , if our midfield was better situated we wouldn't need to do this but we won a good deal from GC and this is what they will most likely do......, not that I'm too fussed if they dont .

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Freo mates rekons Zac Clarke toured west coast lol.

Cleaning services contract being tendered

 

[eaglesfan84]

2018 Midfield Depth Rankings

1. Shuey
2. Gaff
3. Yeo - utility
4. Naitanui
5. Sheed
6. Venables
7. Duggan - mid / back
8. Redden
9. Masten
10. Jetta
11. Hutchings
12. Ah Chee
13. Kelly?
14. Nelson - mid / back
15. Partington - mid / forward
16. Cole - mid/ back
17. Karpany - mid / forward
18. Pick 13 Clark / Constable - already a decent size could play in 2018
19. Pick 32 Worpel - mature body could play in 2018
20. Pick 69 Grigg / Scloithe - more mature agers to help in 2018

How many ready to go mids do we need for 2018?

Where did you get those rankings from???

 

[MrKK]

Would happily take on rookie list. Fourth ruck

Will lose my shit if we have both Clarke and McInnes clogging up our rookie list playing zero games. We need to use it to nab guys, probably local, with potential before the rest of the country catches on. E.g. should've taken Liam Ryan last year instead of now worrying if we need to use a 2nd round pick or miss out.

 

[eaglesfan84]

Hard to tell what the club will do....

13) O Allen/H Clark
21) T Kelly/J Worpel
26) L O'Brien/G Miers
32) B Fritsch/L Ryan
37) B Starcevich/T Wooller*

Allen been linked to us, Clark also linked to us so I assume we get one of these.
Kelly and Worpel are both physically ready to go and would provide strong bodied boost and depth to the midfield as both seemingly targeted by Geelong I expect we'll get one of them.
O'Brien if he happens to fall to 26 might be best available at that stage and add depth to our wingers, G Miers if O'Brien is not available, will fill small forward needs and a future midfield prospect.
Fritsch or Ryan at 32 you'd expect to be available and would fill small forward needs.
Starcevich as a local lad and fairly well rounded midfielder would be a target of ours I assume, if he's not available and we don't get Allen we might look at Wooller as a big forward option, *if we do get Allen and Starcevich not available then maybe another mid that slides like Moore or Bailey, or Callum Coleman-Jones if we're looking at a big man.....

 

[liam123]

Got a feeling that freo might jump at Ryan with pick 60