The statistics for all interstate finals are damning enough.Damn that one game is really swaying me
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The statistics for all interstate finals are damning enough.Damn that one game is really swaying me
genuine question (which i've asked before but nobody responded). what made WCE the "higher-ranked team" prior to the GF in 2015? had freo won the prelim they would have both finished top and won all their finals which would presumably make them the undisputed #1 team before GF day. so, given the hawks beat the #1-ranked team until that point, why were the eagles the higher-ranked team going into the big dance? was it because they won their QF, or was it because they finished higher after H&A?
Another team has it.You lose because you don't have the massive advantage that your own ground gives you over other teams.
Fremantle were ranked 1 going into preliminary final week.genuine question (which i've asked before but nobody responded). what made WCE the "higher-ranked team" prior to the GF in 2015? had freo won the prelim they would have both finished top and won all their finals which would presumably make them the undisputed #1 team before GF day. so, given the hawks beat the #1-ranked team until that point, why were the eagles the higher-ranked team going into the big dance? was it because they won their QF, or was it because they finished higher after H&A?
Would surely be a combination of both mate.
Reverse the QF result
Hawthorn plays West Coast in the GF. Hawks would be higher ranked team based on having won their QF and West Coast didn’t even though the Eagles would have had to go ‘away’ to the top ranked team.
Hawthorn plays Freo. They haven’t played, both won their 2 finals so H&A finishes would apply and Freo would be notionally the higher ranked team.
Fremantle were ranked 1 going into preliminary final week.
West Coast 2.
When Fremantle lose their prelim final they finish 3rd for the season, therefore the previous highest ranked team (Eagles) ranked the higher of teams left in final week. Got beaten and finished runner ups. Fairly straight forward I would have thought.
This article with the swans pushing a best of idea:
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...s-after-grand-final-snub-20180413-p4z9h0.html
thanks for the response. so, presumably if 4th beats 1st in the QF and both teams go through to the GF, 4th has the higher ranking based on not having lost?
Yes, when 4th beats 1st in a QF quite clearly that winning team is only one of two clubs going through to preliminary final with a week off. Of course they still going to be considered to be higher ranked if they meet the side they beat again.thanks for the response. so, presumably if 4th beats 1st in the QF and both teams go through to the GF, 4th has the higher ranking based on not having lost?
it is straightforward, i've just never really paid attention to more than who plays who and where.
They still are neutral except where two teams are playing from different states some team is going to be playing in their home state but nobody is actually meant to be seen as home team. Cannot be avoided in such a big country.Finals were meant to be at a neutral ground (obviously Melbourne fc at the MCG have always been an exception)
And are irrelevant because of the point I made. You’d expect the home team to win anywhere. One off examples don’t exactly prove much.The statistics for all interstate finals are damning enough.
Technically there is no home game advantage in a final, it's home state, say Port host a final they won't be allowed to sing that song before the game as the AFL host the final.
Gee people whinge. 'AFL manipulated?' PissweakThe AFL tried manipulating the result in '13 by sending us to Geelong instead of Melb like the previous year (2012 EF).
Would have preferred to play at the G although it didnt matter.
1cent off a dollar.Gee people whinge. 'AFL manipulated?' Pissweak
I'm not sure if I'm alone but I really think the home ground advantage in finals is a myth. They are not like home and away games and no club actually owns the venue for finals. The ticket allocation is completely different, even the rooms are random, and no team needs motivation.
I have confirmed with the expert in the analytics thread there is no valid data to suggest either way to the notion there is an advantage. Mostly people extrapolate home and away data and I reject it's validity.
Not really relevant but personally I really like the MCG and would love to go there in September to watch our guys. I went twice past year and it's a great experience. The infrastructure, ease of moving around, and even queues were impressive.
I haven't been to Optus but would welcome the opportunity.
More relevant is there's no doubt the playing group dream of playing in the last week in September at the G. And would prefer a QF at the MCG or Optus to an EF at Spotless or Manuka.
Surely all interstate teams have a similar view.
Not sure club specific things are necessarily banned. They would have to be reciprocal I think. The 2016 QF there was some of our usual pre game stuff and some of the Swans. We play AC/DC just before the game, but it's not really like the Port singalongs. Sadly the Giant footsteps just before the team emerges seems to have gone the way of the Dodo. That could be reciprocal in a finals matchup.Swings and roundabouts I guess- Port don't get to play a song, geelong don't get to host a final, Carlton aren't allowed to unleash the hovercraft...
Mate, I goto the MCG a lot. Compared to going to grounds with home ground advantage there is no experience of any distinct advantage. Even as far back as when I first started going to footy when most clubs had their own ground and only Demons and Tigers played at MCG. If you played a game at MCG or Waverley Park you could tell it was as close to neutral as you could find but goto Moorabin, Geelong, our own ground at Princes Park, Western Oval, Windy Hill, Perth, Adealide etc etc, the massive home ground advantage were clear. Now we removed most of those home ground advantages it comes back to far less with Geelong, Perth based clubs and Adelaide based with the big advantages that other clubs used to enjoy. Those clubs with distinct home ground advantage are the loudest about the talk of it WHEN they do not enjoy the protection of having it.
Should make all Port home games finals. Cringeworthy song and totally manufactured.Technically there is no home game advantage in a final, it's home state, say Port host a final they won't be allowed to sing that song before the game as the AFL host the final.
That doesn't explain why a team like Richmond has a poor record at Etihad, for example. IMO it comes down to the ground itself, size and shape.To get rid of the differences between 'home and away' clubs ought to adopt the exact same routine for every match, regardless of venue.
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When the eagles are playing at Perth stadium, they gather as a team on the thursday or whatever, team polos, bags packed, catch a coach to the airport, fly around a for an hour or two, land, collect bags and head to the team hotel for the next couple days- simple.
This post has some actual stats.Vic clubs have won 11/50 interstate finals. None of the 11 winning teams finished higher on the ladder than their opponent (only possible in weeks 2 - 3 from 1987 - 1999, and week 3 from 2000 - 2017). That's a 22% win rate for a side ranked lower on the ladder in finals
In every final since 1987, the lower ranked team on the ladder after round 22 has won 32% of finals against higher ranked sides, regardless of teams or venue.
Victorian clubs have played 16 grand finals against non-Victorian teams. From those 16, 6 have been won by a lower ranked Victorian side, 5 have been won by a lower ranked non-Victorian side, and 5 were won by the highest ranked side. That's 38%, 31% and 31% respectively.
Richmond has a better finals record at Waverley compared to the G.That doesn't explain why a team like Richmond has a poor record at Etihad, for example. IMO it comes down to the ground itself, size and shape.
need to save this post and reply to every kranky post with itWe’ve gone around in circles about this previously kranky but let’s look at this season as an example. Richmond could likely play fellow mcg Tennant hawthorn in their first final and then Collingwood in the prelim. So for those 2 finals Richmond’s advantage for finishing top is nothing, naught, zero. The eagles however will have a serious home ground advantage in both their finals with fellow Tennant Freo out of the finals.
Do we complain? No, it’s all swings and roundabouts.
What rubbish.Having abandoned your home ground you are deciding that other clubs should be compelled to do the same?
All home games and home finals should be played on each team's home ground.