Is Brett Ratten a genius? (Now with Poll)

[Damon_3388]

billion trillion times worse done by as a coach than ratten.

Please check the circumstances and facts, and try again.

 

[megatiger]

Please check the circumstances and facts, and try again.

Don't disregard Brett's dismissal from Carlton at all, but knights was part of an evil plot from the very beginning, would still be coaching somewhere if it wasn't for being part of that club, it's a very dismissed reality in any other industry he'd be compensated in the billions (slight overreaction but you get what I mean), I think knights has been shafted even by the public so badly they forget while targeting Hird the disgusting thing that happened to him before it......it was in the making

 

[Damon_3388]

Don't disregard Brett's dismissal from Carlton at all, but knights was part of an evil plot from the very beginning, would still be coaching somewhere if it wasn't for being part of that club, it's a very dismissed reality in any other industry he'd be compensated in the billions (slight overreaction but you get what I mean), I think knights has been shafted even by the public so badly they forget while targeting Hird the disgusting thing that happened to him before it......it was in the making

Lol, what sort of tinfoil do you use for your hat?

 

[megatiger]

Lol, what sort of tinfoil do you use for your hat?

I'm not but most will understand what I'm trying to say, it's been said before and will be said by others after me. anyway I'm both pissed and pissed off on this subject so I'm signing off for the night well done to Carlton and congrats to betts well deserved. nighty night muddafudders....

 

[Burzum]

Mathew Knights says hi

Yeah, nah.

 

[Mitchell54]

Was always held in high regard by Clarko

 

[megatiger]

Mathew Knights says hi

yeh yeh

 

[MightyHawks]

Clarko was talking Ratts up recently

 

[Maddhew]

Was a pretty good young coach in his own right and spent a long time under Clarkson and saw what it takes to win premierships. Wouldn't mind him at the Swans

 

[Sketi]

Swans next head coach?

Been quietly hoping this for about 2-3 years.

Media went after Ratten's head in a year in which they were brutally injury ravaged and they still only just missed finals. Pretty unfair when you consider Carlton's run since then.

 

[Andrew Mc]

Swans have Stevie J

The post match press conferences will be mandatory viewing should that happen. Reckon Ratten might be a decent choice though.

 

[Benny78]

Swans have Stevie J

Stevie J as coach and Tom Harley as CEO

 

[Truckosaurus]

It's entirely possible to be a very good assistant coach but no good as a senior coach. Maybe that's just Ratten's gig. Where was he coaching prior to getting the Carlton job? He was the fill-in for a bit when Pagan got the arse, wasn't he?


Of course, it is always possible to learn and grow as a person, so maybe he's better placed now to be a senior coach than he was at Carlton.

 

[marcus1232]

I think it was somewhere he stated he is happy being an assistant and didn’t want the pressure of a head coaching gig for family reasons. If he wanted a head coaching gig I don’t think there would be a shortage of suitors

 

[checkpoints]

The Carlton fans that wanted him gone are everything that is wrong with the CFC

They're the same ones baying for Bolton's blood too

 

[Blue1980]

FFS no he’s not.

St K had a down year last year, sure he may of helped, but they have started well this season, decent pre season of much of their players and some close wins have given confidence.

He’s not as shit as some of us made out during his final Carlton days nor is he suddenly Sir Alex Ferguson

 

[Blue1980]

They're the same ones baying for Bolton's blood too

Not convinced bolts is the man but no point changing tac at least until end of 2019, and then only if the players hate him or we are getting 2018 results without serious injuries

 

[beaglebombs]

If your head coach is responsible for all your recruiting that is the club's fault.

p.s.
Who were Shane Rogers and Wayne Hughes?

EDIT: & Steven Icke

Brett Ratten was a disaster at Carlton as senior coach. We are still paying today for his tenure.

We did not have a list manager back in his day. He was the boss of the football department and had sway over the recruiting and trading as well. In fact he had his fingers in almost every part of the club, even non football related things. Part of the reason he was given the arse.

Read the lists for recruiting and trading below. Pathetic. Set the club back 10 years in just five years of coaching. He thought he had a list that was good enough and did not treat the draft with respect or use trading strategically.

Fred Flinstone could have coached the Carlton list to 5th in 2011. Sadly the work in 2009 and 2010 did not attempt to turn over the list or build it up.

Recruiting.


2011 National Draft
Pick 22: Josh Bootsma, Sth Fremantle, WAFL
Pick 44: Sam Rowe, Norwood, SANFL
Pick 62: Dylan Buckley, Northern Knights U18


2010 National Draft
Pick 18: Matthew Watson, Calder Cannons U18
Pick 34: Patrick McCarthy, Glenelg, SANFL
Pick 42: Luke Mitchell, Calder Cannons U18
Pick 67: Andrew McInnes, Dandenong Stingrays U18
Pick 70: Nick Duigan, Norwood, SANFL
Pick 85: Jeffery Garlett, Promoted Rookie
Pick 99: David Ellard, Promoted Rookie
Pick 108: Simon White, Promoted Rookie


2009 National Draft
Pick 12: Kane Lucas, East Fremantle, WAFL
Pick 43: Marcus Davies, North Hobart
Pick 59: Rohan Kerr*, Dandenong Stingrays U18
Pick 72: Sam Jacobs, Promoted Rookie
Pick 85: Aaron Joseph, Promoted Rookie


2008 National Draft
Pick 6: Chris Yarran, Swan Districts, WAFL
Pick 40: Mitch Robinson, Tassie Devils U18
Pick 65: Rhys O'Keeffe, North Adelaide, SANFL
Pick 80: Caleb Tiller*, Murray Bushrangers U18
Pick 85: Pass


TRADING


End of Year 2011 Trades
Nil


End of Year 2010 Trades
Shaun Grigg to Richmond in return for Andrew Collins.
Sam Jacobs to Adelaide in return for Picks 34 Patrick McCarthy and 67 Andrew McInnes.
Picks 37 (George Horlin-Smith) and 53 (Jordan Schroder) to Geelong for Jeremy Laidler and Pick 42 Luke Mitchell.


2009 Trades
Draft choice 11 (Jordan Gysberts) to Melbourne for Brock McLean.
Brendan Fevola and Pick 27 (Callum Bartlett) traded to Brisbane for Lachlan Henderson and Pick 12 Kane Lucas.


2008 Trades
Draft choices 24 (Nick Suban), 56 (Ben Bucovaz) and 72 (Will Young) to Fremantle for Robert Warnock and draft choice 69.

Are you joking?
Was he the list manager?
btw it wouldnt have mattered.... remeber that last game of the year we defeated Richmond with up too 13 of our senior players out yet we won??
Recall? i would delete all that rubbish above and just realise the guy who bled for us was successful. If not,well go support someone else.

 

[beaglebombs]

Sorrt forgot to say, i doubt he's a genuis just someone who can get the most out of his players like he did at carlton and then we made the worst decision in history!

 

[beaglebombs]

They're the same ones baying for Bolton's blood too

great call!!

 

[Tigerssaints]

we love when Carlton supporters take it on themselves
it all goes back to that pigs arse guy
wasnt Greg Williams wife doing cardboard work for someone,

saints of field during 2018 had a big clean lots of "assistants" went
board changes , Simon doing more of the heavy lifting

( Brett's Son Cooper 16 killed in car accident 2015 )

 

[GordonBlue]

Was my favourite player growing up and when he was our coach, I loved him to bits. The arrogant Carlton way got rid of him and always thought the media was way way too harsh on him, because at the same time Voss, Hird and Buckley were all coaching their clubs and Ratts was seen as inferior for some reason.

Would welcome him back with open arms and would never let him go.

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[LordLucifer]

The Carlton fans that wanted him gone are everything that is wrong with the CFC

And more than likely they are the same ones who want Bolton removed now ….. in other words, impatient idiots !!

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Shane Savage was on radio yesterday and he said Ratten has made “a massive difference” to their forward line structure. Taught them to take time and structure up better.

 

[Old Man Rooey]

Our game style really isn't that different, its just execution and confidence. Ratten can't have hurt and hes probably been a good influence, but belief is just as important

Well, it has changed if one looks at the stats up to the Melbourne game:

*Pressure applied 2018: 175 points (18th), 2019: 183 points (5th)
*Mark play-on percentage (Not including F50): 2018: 40.1 per cent (1st), 2019: 20.6 per cent (17th)
*Marks: 2018: 76.5 (17th), 2019: 94 (4th)
*Stoppages per game: 2018: 50.8 (18th), 2019: 70.2 (3rd)
*Points from forward half clearance: 2018: 11.5 (17th), 2019: 20.2 (1st)

In addition, more long kicks and less disposals.
https://m.afl.com.au/news/2019-04-19/on-a-wing-and-a-prayer-why-the-saints-are-flying-high

Also useful to note, season is still early, so Saints still adjusting to playing this way, and commensurately, the opposition learning to combat this system.

Interesting of note to me is what other clubs play similarly?