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In my opinion IF she feels alienated playing footy she will probably just go and play another team sport and other Muslims will probably follow scoring a propaganda victory for that sport over ours.
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What exactly do you think is dumb about it?This could be the dumbest ******* post I have read on this forum
She's a homophobe. Plain and simple.
And there's no room for homophobia in society.
How she can return and look her teammates in the eye and be part of that team now, I do not know.
Unfortunately, that is effectively like saying to a gay team-mate that she doesn't believe in them.She has not trying to force her belief down anyone's throat - she is asking that her religion be respected and that she not be forced to celebrate something she doesn't believe in.
Unfortunately, that is effectively like saying to a gay team-mate that she doesn't believe in them.
Being same-sex attracted is not a choice, unlike religious or cultural identification.
Allowing her to opt-out is privileging her because of her religion.
Are you suggesting that all Muslims have an issue with it?Well look I don't know what to tell you - but that would be the position of your average Muslim.
I have no solution to this beyond live and let live. Which it seems they HAVE all managed to do up until this point.
Are you genuinely suggesting that Muslims should have to change a part of their religion to be involved in AFL?
It's just not going to happen beyond polite smiling.
To be fair - I'm guessing all her teammates don't believe in her Islamic Faith either, nor should they have to. She would know that and I doubt it has bothered her.
Up until this time they have all found a way to live in harmony. Just let her honour her parents, her culture, her religion - however you want to look at it and sit the one round out (if that's what she's asking).
Are you suggesting that all Muslims have an issue with it?
What's your view on the average Christian
It all sounds quite reasonable, but the idea behind Pride Round was that gay people are an accepted part of the AFL community, and an individual player has sent a message that they're not an accepted part of her community. The optics aren't good and allowing it to happen appears to involve religious privilege.(If we're having this discussion, full disclosure: I'm from a Muslim family but wouldn't really class myself as one).
I think the term 'have an issue with it' is a tricky one. Most Muslims do not have an issue with it because they are not being asked to participate in a celebration of it as this young woman has.
In the same way most non-Muslims have no issue with Islam because they are not being forced to participate in the religion.
Therefore in most scenarios 'live and let live' works perfectly fine. But it's just in this case a young Muslim woman is being asked to participate in Pride round.
I would assume your 'average' Christian (or Jew) is the same as your average Muslim - they would have no issue with it until it infringes upon their right to practice their religion.
I would assume your average lgbqt+ is also the same - happy to go about their own life without trying to bother other ppl who think differently.
It's always the frothing at the mouth types from any walk of life that try to dictate to others what they should or shouldn't believe.
Btw at risk of being banned or whatever from the site just for stating a PoV -
Many ppl when thinking of PRIDE think of the parade, many of the older generation for example of course look at it as a bit of a 'look at that' type of thing.
There's breasts and sexuality being displayed in public. It's really not rocket science that certain more traditional cultures etc are not going to be into that type of thing.
Personally I've grown up here - but I don't understand why SOME Caucasians are obsessed with trying to dictate to other cultures (Arabs for example) that they HAVE to be into that kind of thing or you are a bigot if you don't celebrate the display of sexuality.
Personally I think in life we're all going to get along a lot better when we don't interfere with other peoples lives.
disagreeing with a rule in something that exists as a theoretical made up thing that is clearly wrong and hurtful to people who have suffered because of it is not a phobia.So are you an Islamaphobe? Are you saying there is no room for observant Muslims in our society? (Which is fine if you are but at least recognise what you are saying and say it).
Or any other less-than-woke cultural groups?
I think just live and let live.
A) The solution is that we make it clear as a society that there are certain things that are inalienable human rights, and someone isn’t less than or wrong cause they love someone.I have no solution to this beyond live and let live. Which it seems they HAVE all managed to do up until this point.
Are you genuinely suggesting that Muslims should have to change a part of their religion to be involved in AFL?
It's just not going to happen beyond polite smiling.
To be fair - I'm guessing all her teammates don't believe in her Islamic Faith either, nor should they have to. She would know that and I doubt it has bothered her.
Up until this time they have all found a way to live in harmony. Just let her honour her parents, her culture, her religion - however you want to look at it and sit the one round out (if that's what she's asking).
Lol.(If we're having this discussion, full disclosure: I'm from a Muslim family but wouldn't really class myself as one).
I think the term 'have an issue with it' is a tricky one. Most Muslims do not have an issue with it because they are not being asked to participate in a celebration of it as this young woman has.
In the same way most non-Muslims have no issue with Islam because they are not being forced to participate in the religion.
Therefore in most scenarios 'live and let live' works perfectly fine. But it's just in this case a young Muslim woman is being asked to participate in Pride round.
I would assume your 'average' Christian (or Jew) is the same as your average Muslim - they would have no issue with it until it infringes upon their right to practice their religion.
I would assume your average lgbqt+ is also the same - happy to go about their own life without trying to bother other ppl who think differently.
It's always the frothing at the mouth types from any walk of life that try to dictate to others what they should or shouldn't believe.
Btw at risk of being banned or whatever from the site just for stating a PoV -
Many ppl when thinking of PRIDE think of the parade, many of the older generation for example of course look at it as a bit of a 'look at that' type of thing.
There's breasts and sexuality being displayed in public. It's really not rocket science that certain more traditional cultures etc are not going to be into that type of thing.
Personally I've grown up here - but I don't understand why SOME Caucasians are obsessed with trying to dictate to other cultures (Arabs for example) that they HAVE to be into that kind of thing or you are a bigot if you don't celebrate the display of sexuality.
Personally I think in life we're all going to get along a lot better when we don't interfere with other peoples lives.
A) The solution is that we make it clear as a society that there are certain things that are inalienable human rights, and someone isn’t less than or wrong cause they love someone.
And if a religion clashes with that then those people need to choose to discard that element, like they discarded other elements in the thing that was made up in a different era.
Let’s not pretend that each religion doesn’t have dozens of things they’ve discarded along the way.
Not believing in a faith and being persecuted for who you love are not remotely comparable things.
It all sounds quite reasonable, but the idea behind Pride Round was that gay people are an accepted part of the AFL community, and an individual player has sent a message that they're not an accepted part of her community. The optics aren't good and allowing it to happen appears to involve religious privilege.
But Islam does not agree with Homosexuality. That is a tenet of their Faith (and currently largely not accepted in their culture for those from Mid-East/North Africa).
So are you an Islamaphobe? Are you saying there is no room for observant Muslims in our society? (Which is fine if you are but at least recognise what you are saying and say it).
Or any other less-than-woke cultural groups?
I think just live and let live. Who is anyone to tell her what she should believe. She has not trying to force her belief down anyone's throat - she is asking that her religion be respected and that she not be forced to celebrate something she doesn't believe in.
But here is my question: should I instead embrace those hardline views and be okay with a religion which sees women banned from education, beaten for being outside without a male family member, covered up and hidden from the world, executed for accusing a man of raping them, gay people imprisoned or even executed, etc ?
No you’re not.I get it. I'm really just trying to deal with the reality of the situation though.
Where have I ever even remotely suggested that “deportation or death” is how we should deal with people with homophobic views?But for those like my parents who are obviously going to not share your worldview, or any other Jew/Muslim/Christian/Hindu or person from any particular culture or background that refuses to discard something from their beliefs or faith - is it deportation or death? How will you enforce this?
And I'm not talking about those who actively persecute LGBTQ+ - I'm talking about those trying to go about their own business and live according to their own beliefs?
Personally I've grown up here - but I don't understand why SOME Caucasians are obsessed with trying to dictate to other cultures (Arabs for example) that they HAVE to be into that kind of thing or you are a bigot if you don't celebrate the display of sexuality.
Personally I think in life we're all going to get along a lot better when we don't interfere with other peoples lives.
How is it any different from being expected (or made to by law) to dress modestly etc when visiting a muslim country?
I know that organised religion does not agree with homosexuality.But Islam does not agree with Homosexuality. That is a tenet of their Faith (and currently largely not accepted in their culture for those from Mid-East/North Africa).
So are you an Islamaphobe? Are you saying there is no room for observant Muslims in our society? (Which is fine if you are but at least recognise what you are saying and say it).
Or any other less-than-woke cultural groups?
I think just live and let live. Who is anyone to tell her what she should believe. She has not trying to force her belief down anyone's throat - she is asking that her religion be respected and that she not be forced to celebrate something she doesn't believe in.
I agree on the gender identity stuff, and choosing your gender is no different to choosing your religion afaiac. You make those choices and you live with the consequences. I think there needs to be a separation between T and LGB, Trans is a choice, LGB is not. Trans belongs in the same basket as Religion.You certainly won't be forced to celebrate dressing modestly or forced to profess you agree with the position as a Westerner.
Do religious ppl usurp these Australian expectations over here, or are they just living their own lives the way they want leaving others to do the same largely?
How many reported cases are there of religious ppl trying walking up to two gay ppl and pulling their hands apart? If anyone does so they should be arrested.
There are gay weddings every weekend - how many have had religious ppl rock up to throw eggs or whatever? If anyone does so they should be arrested and charged.
The difference is many ppl are talking about forcing ppl to celebrate something though, which is kinda bizzare.
I won't lie - I'm not really one for the gender fluid stuff. I could be very wrong in my ideas but my upbringing and personal life experience has shaped me and so here we are.
But I have never done anything in my life to stop someone transitioning and nor would I, that's their life.
But I can't be forced to celebrate it or forced to not hold my personal view on what determines a biological male and female.
Where do we draw the line at what MUST be celebrated by portions of society who would rather peacefully go about their own lives?
How many reported cases are there of religious ppl trying walking up to two gay ppl and pulling their hands apart? If anyone does so they should be arrested.
There are gay weddings every weekend - how many have had religious ppl rock up to throw eggs or whatever? If anyone does so they should be arrested and charged.
The difference is many ppl are talking about forcing ppl to celebrate something though, which is kinda bizzare.
Where do we draw the line at what MUST be celebrated by portions of society who would rather peacefully go about their own lives?
You don’t think a religious person has just ran up to a couple and pulled their hands apart? I know religious (and non-religious people) have straight up murdered them.
It’s pretty apparent that you have zero experience with the community, have a pretty insular life and are a homophobic man whose claim to fame is that although you think these people are wrong that you personally won’t stop them. Want a medal?
InterestingLet's be honest here
Th3Gay and Trans community here in Australia has far more pressing issues to worry about.
This so called 'scandal' was raised by hypocritical Christian Right Wing Nutjobs trying to deflect from their own decades own politically and church endorsed homophobia
Naneen not willing to wear the Pride Jumper is disappointing but hardly a crime against humanity.
Also it won't stop the 100s of homophobic slurs I hear at the footy every week.
At the very least, this issue has given an otherwise tedious and mediocre AFLW season much needed media attention.
Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Gil McDildo actually orchestrated this whole fiasco tbh. He is a grub.