List Mgmt. 2022 Young Talent Time

[Chris25]

That list is wack. No way is Scully is 14 and Ashcroft is 4. Also Busslinger ain't going top two.

I'll assume wack is a compliment. Thanks.

Busslinger probably won't go at 2, but that's why it's not a prediction.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

That list is wack. No way is Scully is 14 and Ashcroft is 4. Also Busslinger ain't going top two.

Sweeping general statements on the draft in June is a dangerous game, the list is also Chris’s personal ranking. If you disagree that strongly please explain why, based on the games you’ve watched

 

[Bastyy]

That list is wack. No way is Scully is 14 and Ashcroft is 4. Also Busslinger ain't going top two.

Scully at 14 isn't that controversial in club land, he's all over the place in rankings at the moment from the amateur watcher to the actual recruiters

 

[wakojako]

Sweeping general statements on the draft in June is a dangerous game, the list is also Chris’s personal ranking. If you disagree that strongly please explain why, based on the games you’ve watched

Let me backtrack and say I definitely don't know more than draft watches on here so I probably came across too strong haha. I do read all the scout reports and watch highlights. Generally KPDs never go top two so that's very generous for Busslinger. Ashcroft is probably around the mark but the general consensus is top 3. Based on Scully's trajectory I would be surpirsed if he doesn't go top ten. As you say way too early to tell.

 

[Dayts]

That list is wack. No way is Scully is 14 and Ashcroft is 4. Also Busslinger ain't going top two.

Wako goes goes wakkkk!

 

[Chris25]

Let me backtrack and say I definitely don't know more than draft watches on here so I probably came across too strong haha. I do read all the scout reports and watch highlights. Generally KPDs never go top two so that's very generous for Busslinger. Ashcroft is probably around the mark but the general consensus is top 3. Based on Scully's trajectory I would be surpirsed if he doesn't go top ten. As you say way too early to tell.

I'll start with Scully, who I've seen a decent amount of this year. He's very good at what he does, arguably the best in the draft pool - a 200cm+ contested marking deep forward. It's something every club wants. But there are also limitations. Outside of that, his impact is limited. He doesn't offer much in the terms of ruck relief at the moment. He's only had one game at West Adelaide in which he's gotten up the ground to any real effect. If a taller and stronger defender can take away his trump card, then what next. Josh Schache was excellent at what he did best too.

I'm hoping he gets a chance to show off for SA at the Champs - but that's easier said than done when you're trying to allow another 4 talls to do the same. And even if his trajectory does shape towards the top 10, he still has to get past the likes of Lemmey, Cadman and Keeler. Maybe Barnett and Broadbent too. Only so many talls will go early.

As for Ashcroft, he's looking like a star. But I really like Phillipou with his extra height and versatility. That's where personal preference comes into it. It's like saying would you rather Matt Rowell or Noah Anderson. I'd be happy with either.

 

[wakojako]

I'll start with Scully, who I've seen a decent amount of this year. He's very good at what he does, arguably the best in the draft pool - a 200cm+ contested marking deep forward. It's something every club wants. But there are also limitations. Outside of that, his impact is limited. He doesn't offer much in the terms of ruck relief at the moment. He's only had one game at West Adelaide in which he's gotten up the ground to any real effect. If a taller and stronger defender can take away his trump card, then what next. Josh Schache was excellent at what he did best too.

I'm hoping he gets a chance to show off for SA at the Champs - but that's easier said than done when you're trying to allow another 4 talls to do the same. And even if his trajectory does shape towards the top 10, he still has to get past the likes of Lemmey, Cadman and Keeler. Maybe Barnett and Broadbent too. Only so many talls will go early.

As for Ashcroft, he's looking like a star. But I really like Phillipou with his extra height and versatility. That's where personal preference comes into it. It's like saying would you rather Matt Rowell or Noah Anderson. I'd be happy with either.

What do you think Scully's biggest limitations are besides the ruck?

 

[Chris25]

What do you think Scully's biggest limitations are besides the ruck?

At the moment, I just want to see more of what he can do. I'd like to see more of his leading patterns, not just having the ball kicked on top of his head. I'd love to see him play an entire game at CHF or even in the ruck, show how he'd fit into a forward setup when he's not the focal point. And like most, I'd like to see it against bigger and stronger bodies - whether that's at the Champs, or a step up in grades at West Adelaide.

 

[ignoramus]

It's like saying would you rather Matt Rowell or Noah Anderson. I'd be happy with either.

Excellent. That leaves Caleb Serong for me.

 

[Dump Truck]

It was going to be a pre-Champs list, but I'm a few days late...



I don't mind how this draft is shaping up, good handful of quality tall forwards in the first round mix and enough depth in midfielders and flankers.

There's no real obvious picks for us at the moment, especially with our tendency to draft locals. Should all become a bit clearer when WA start their Champs in a couple of weeks. Hewett or Busslinger would be great, but maybe not with where our pick could be. I imagine Broadbent would interest, but he's a #1 ruck. I wouldn't be surprised if Jed Hagan ends up as MVP at the end of the Champs, maybe he climbs the board.

I'd love Keeler, he could be around at our pick - especially if Lemmey, Cadman and Scully are off the board. We could use forwards of all shapes and sizes though, so lots to play out there still.

Always love your work Chris!
What do you see in Munkara that will either make him rise/fall to be available at our selection? I ask because you were most likely the instigator of making him one of this boards (including myself) wants early in the season

 

[King Huskii]

Is Tabs a natural forward? After 10 years in the game he still has massive turnovers.
Tabs still misses easy shots.
All players turn the ball over, they all miss sitters.
Logue has shown all the necessary attributes to make an excellent tall 3rd tall.
Speed, strength , fearless and a good pack mark. He is a good field kick so goal accuracy will come.
I don't follow , what's not to like.
Ps welcome back man , you've been away for far to long.

Thanks mate

Yeah I agree he possesses some really good attributes as you mentioned. I just don't feel confident with his set shots.

Having said that both Lobb and Tabs have really improved theirs so I think he can too.

 

[theGav56]

Always love your work Chris!
What do you see in Munkara that will either make him rise/fall to be available at our selection? I ask because you were most likely the instigator of making him one of this boards (including myself) wants early in the season

In that handful around our pick he's still the one I want. I'm happy with slightly unconventional forward set ups and he could be part of that. Talents like Munkara, Frederick and Sturt (fingers crossed) are weapons, especially with a couple of decent talls and genuine crumbers. Plus their skills can be rotated midfield/wing.

 

[Dayts]

Wako goes goes wakkkk!

wakojako was it you who said Matt Johnson was rumored to have said he would get home sick or did we just get lucky with him slipping into the second round ?

 

[theGav56]

wakojako was it you who said Matt Johnson was rumored to have said he would get home sick or did we just get lucky with him slipping into the second round ?

It looks a bit like that draft had fairly even depth from mid teens to mid 20s. Clubs seemed to be happy to pick for needs as a result.

 

[Lach72]

It was going to be a pre-Champs list, but I'm a few days late...



I don't mind how this draft is shaping up, good handful of quality tall forwards in the first round mix and enough depth in midfielders and flankers.

There's no real obvious picks for us at the moment, especially with our tendency to draft locals. Should all become a bit clearer when WA start their Champs in a couple of weeks. Hewett or Busslinger would be great, but maybe not with where our pick could be. I imagine Broadbent would interest, but he's a #1 ruck. I wouldn't be surprised if Jed Hagan ends up as MVP at the end of the Champs, maybe he climbs the board.

I'd love Keeler, he could be around at our pick - especially if Lemmey, Cadman and Scully are off the board. We could use forwards of all shapes and sizes though, so lots to play out there still.

Freddy on one flank and Munkara on the other would give an opposition coach absolute conniptions

 

[Chris25]

Always love your work Chris!
What do you see in Munkara that will either make him rise/fall to be available at our selection? I ask because you were most likely the instigator of making him one of this boards (including myself) wants early in the season

That probably was me. I do like Munkara, he’s right up there on talent alone. At the moment, I think he’s in the second round mix as an overall prospect though.

Fitness base isn’t ideal, have to see how he goes running out a full match at the Champs and staying involved. He went unrewarded quite a bit in the first Allies game. If they can get him going early in a match, he could really explode. Taking over a game would go a long way to getting him in the mix for our first pick.

 

[theGav56]

wakojako was it you who said Matt Johnson was rumored to have said he would get home sick or did we just get lucky with him slipping into the second round ?

Interested to know where posters think Johnson "should" have gone.

 

[Bastyy]

Interested to know where posters think Johnson "should" have gone.

if we took him at 10 instead of Erasmus there would have been no surprise, let's say that much

 

[wakojako]

Interested to know where posters think Johnson "should" have gone.

No rumours just typical Big Footy speculation. I find it hard to believe he dropped out of the first round.

 

[Tundrawolf]

if we took him at 10 instead of Erasmus there would have been no surprise, let's say that much

I thought Erasmus had greater output and Johnson more class. Personally I rated Johnson higher of the two by not that much. Happy to have both.

 

[theGav56]

if we took him at 10 instead of Erasmus there would have been no surprise, let's say that much

Do you think the player quality between those two picks is fairly even? It's a fair range early in a draft.

 

[Bastyy]

Do you think the player quality between those two picks is fairly even? It's a fair range early in a draft.

The quality of Johnson was top 10-15 for a lot of draft watchers, normally getting two players of that quality in their draft year at those picks is unheard of. Clearly something was going on behind the scenes whether that be fitness, attitude or something else entirely. What it was? We might never know but we got very lucky

I'd bet if we had Pick 10 and 21 this year, we wouldn't have the same experience in terms of quality

 

[nurries]

if we took him at 10 instead of Erasmus there would have been no surprise, let's say that much

Pretty sure Hawks were into him and only took Ward first because he was local

 

[theGav56]

Pretty sure Hawks were into him and only took Ward first because he was local

Maybe, but Ward's terrific.

 

[nurries]

Maybe, but Ward's terrific.

Don’t worry so is Johnno, a little behind in development but will be a gun