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Historical Rape Allegation Against Fmr AG Christian Porter
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Just a reminder, this is the crime board and we need to be aware that there will be victims of crime either watching this thread or engaging in here from time to time. A degree of respect in all discussions is expected.

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Interesting law.

I guess the criteria is still about consent . Yes I agree to vaginal intercourse but dont stick it anywhere else - owww I said no

So if consent is based on condom use then I guess it fits the criteria of withdrawn consent ( pun not intended)
 
GreyCrow said:
Interesting law.

I guess the criteria is still about consent . Yes I agree to vaginal intercourse but dont stick it anywhere else - owww I said no

So if consent is based on condom use then I guess it fits the criteria of withdrawn consent ( pun not intended)
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Correct. This situation has been in the news before. If when consenting to sex and part of that consent includes wearing a condom, you must keep the condom on or you can be charged. Its happening too often where young men are at the last moment taking the condom off with out permission and by the time the victim realises it, it is too late. One young lady contracted Herpes by this situation. IMO About time this was taken more seriously.
 
Lady O said:
This is a joke surely?
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You've posted over a 100 times in a thread about sexual assault and you've never hear of the term 'stealthing' - the disgusting act of removal of a condom during sex without the consent of the other person?

The act of 'stealthing' is or is being considered as an amendment to the criminal law legislation across most state jurisdictions attracting similar penalties to other non consensual sexual assault charges.

In SA the amendment to the criminal law Act defines stealthing as having occurred if a 'person agrees to engage in sexual activity because of a misrepresentation (either express or implied) as to the use of a condom during the activity'.

And NO it is not a joke.

It is a grotesque act of dishonesty, betrayal and, just like rape, something showing a total disregard for others that can have serious health and other implications on the unsuspecting victim. Of course it should be outlawed.
 

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More information comes to light.

Maybe paywalled so copied below.

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Rape charge for high-profile man ‘recognised via Google’

A well-known Australian has been charged with rape after his alleged victim googled a high-profile national scandal in which he was involved.

The alleged victim told police that when she saw a photo of the man, she realised he was the same man she alleges had unprotected sex with her after they met in a Toowoomba nightclub in October 2021.

The woman says just over six weeks later, in November 2021, she was at her home speaking with her flatmate’s mother when the conversation turned to the scandal. The woman then did an internet search of the scandal on her phone and saw a face come up that she recognised as the man she had met at the Toowoomba nightclub.

The following day she reported the matter to Toowoomba police and later provided a formal witness statement.

The man allegedly had consensual sex with the woman that night but failed to wear a condom when they had sex twice the next morning.

Failing to wear a condom without a partner’s permission is considered sexual assault under Queensland law. The man was earlier this month charged with rape over the alleged incident in October 2021.

He cannot be named because, under a soon-to-be abolished Queensland law, defendants charged with sexual assault or rape cannot be identified until they are committed for trial.

The Powerhouse nightclub in Toowoomba’s CBD where the woman began her evening with friends.

The woman said she met up with friends at the Powerhouse nightclub in Toowoomba’s CBD in October 2021, where she consumed alcohol before moving on to another club with two friends, where she consumed more alcohol.

At some point in the evening, she met the man and talked to him before they left in a taxi to the house where he was staying with a friend.

The woman and the man got into bed clothed. After a brief conversation, she said, she recalled that they kissed and she told him to put a condom on. She then claimed that she woke to find her legs open and his penis inside her.

She said the next thing she remembered was waking up the next morning with the man having sex with her. She said she told him to stop. The woman claimed she felt groggy when he had sex with her a third time.

After establishing that he ejaculated inside her, the woman said she told him she needed to get the morning-after pill.

The pair then drove to a nearby pharmacy to get the morning-after pill, and she asked him to drive her home.

On the way they stopped to pick up coffee from a McDonald’s drive-thru before he dropped her back at her own home.

Over the course of the following week, the pair engaged in conversation over the social media platform SnapChat but soon lost contact.

The Australian understands that police will allege they have CCTV footage from the club showing the pair socialising and leaving together, as well as confirmation of the taxi booking in his name and receipts for the McDonald’s coffee purchase.

Police served a notice on the man’s lawyers requiring his appearance at Toowoomba Magistrates Court in January.

The man did not appear in person as he was living outside the state.

He was granted bail, with conditions including that he not contact the complainant and that he surrender his passport, which was not opposed by police.

Magistrate Kay Ryan ordered a brief of evidence be delivered by February 15 and the matter was adjourned until February 22.

Last year, the Queensland government announced that the state’s rape laws would be changed after the second Hear Her Voice report – which highlighted the experiences of women and girls across the criminal justice system – recommended naming people charged with sexual offences, bringing Queensland into line with other states.
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zedx said:
Correct. This situation has been in the news before. If when consenting to sex and part of that consent includes wearing a condom, you must keep the condom on or you can be charged. Its happening too often where young men are at the last moment taking the condom off with out permission and by the time the victim realises it, it is too late. One young lady contracted Herpes by this situation. IMO About time this was taken more seriously.
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Isn't there something similar about knowingly spreading HIV as well?

Definitely a much more serious issue than people give it credit for, you wear condoms for a number of reasons that help protect from health risks beyond just pregnancy. Sexual education really isn't very good is it?
 
Me Myself and I said:
More information comes to light.

Maybe paywalled so copied below.

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Rape charge for high-profile man ‘recognised via Google’

A well-known Australian has been charged with rape after his alleged victim googled a high-profile national scandal in which he was involved.

The alleged victim told police that when she saw a photo of the man, she realised he was the same man she alleges had unprotected sex with her after they met in a Toowoomba nightclub in October 2021.

The woman says just over six weeks later, in November 2021, she was at her home speaking with her flatmate’s mother when the conversation turned to the scandal. The woman then did an internet search of the scandal on her phone and saw a face come up that she recognised as the man she had met at the Toowoomba nightclub.

The following day she reported the matter to Toowoomba police and later provided a formal witness statement.

The man allegedly had consensual sex with the woman that night but failed to wear a condom when they had sex twice the next morning.

Failing to wear a condom without a partner’s permission is considered sexual assault under Queensland law. The man was earlier this month charged with rape over the alleged incident in October 2021.

He cannot be named because, under a soon-to-be abolished Queensland law, defendants charged with sexual assault or rape cannot be identified until they are committed for trial.

The Powerhouse nightclub in Toowoomba’s CBD where the woman began her evening with friends.

The woman said she met up with friends at the Powerhouse nightclub in Toowoomba’s CBD in October 2021, where she consumed alcohol before moving on to another club with two friends, where she consumed more alcohol.

At some point in the evening, she met the man and talked to him before they left in a taxi to the house where he was staying with a friend.

The woman and the man got into bed clothed. After a brief conversation, she said, she recalled that they kissed and she told him to put a condom on. She then claimed that she woke to find her legs open and his penis inside her.

She said the next thing she remembered was waking up the next morning with the man having sex with her. She said she told him to stop. The woman claimed she felt groggy when he had sex with her a third time.

After establishing that he ejaculated inside her, the woman said she told him she needed to get the morning-after pill.

The pair then drove to a nearby pharmacy to get the morning-after pill, and she asked him to drive her home.

On the way they stopped to pick up coffee from a McDonald’s drive-thru before he dropped her back at her own home.

Over the course of the following week, the pair engaged in conversation over the social media platform SnapChat but soon lost contact.

The Australian understands that police will allege they have CCTV footage from the club showing the pair socialising and leaving together, as well as confirmation of the taxi booking in his name and receipts for the McDonald’s coffee purchase.

Police served a notice on the man’s lawyers requiring his appearance at Toowoomba Magistrates Court in January.

The man did not appear in person as he was living outside the state.

He was granted bail, with conditions including that he not contact the complainant and that he surrender his passport, which was not opposed by police.

Magistrate Kay Ryan ordered a brief of evidence be delivered by February 15 and the matter was adjourned until February 22.

Last year, the Queensland government announced that the state’s rape laws would be changed after the second Hear Her Voice report – which highlighted the experiences of women and girls across the criminal justice system – recommended naming people charged with sexual offences, bringing Queensland into line with other states.
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What if he can prove he wasn't in Toowoomba then? (Probably was, but just saying...)
 
Dogs_R_Us said:
What if he can prove he wasn't in Toowoomba then? (Probably was, but just saying...)
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The Australian understands that police will allege they have CCTV footage from the club showing the pair socialising and leaving together, as well as confirmation of the taxi booking in his name and receipts for the McDonald’s coffee purchase.
 
GreyCrow said:
The Australian understands that police will allege they have CCTV footage from the club showing the pair socialising and leaving together, as well as confirmation of the taxi booking in his name and receipts for the McDonald’s coffee purchase.
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How the alleged morning after pill was paid for will be interesting.
Hopefully
  • the accused didn't offer to pay and paid for it with cash (in order to avoid a digital trail of the transaction)
  • she didn't get the accused to pay, and he paid with cash.
Even if it was paid for with cash, there should be a pharmacy sales system digital record of when a sale for a morning after pill was purchased (accurate to the minute), with cash, around the time that the alleged victim says the purchase was made.

With most pharmacy sales not being cash, a morning after pill purchase cash transaction record, that matches will the victim's account of what happened when, will be very useful evidence for any prosecution.
 
geoffjennings79 said:
No, no, Linda, dig up!

www.abc.net.au

Liberal senator sues Brittany Higgins's partner over 'defamatory' tweets

West Australian Liberal senator Linda Reynolds launches legal action against Brittany Higgins's partner David Sharaz after he posted two tweets last year that she believes were falsely defamatory of her.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
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Yes, this womans a fool. This will just bring more attention to her actions, some of which appear questionable. I expect this to go as well as Christian Porters action.
 

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Good to see someone like Sofronoff heading this inquiry.

'Retired judge Walter Sofronoff KC to head inquiry following Bruce Lehrmann trial'​

'News.com.au has confirmed that Mr Sofronoff KC was formally appointed by the ACT Cabinet on Tuesday afternoon and that the ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr will announce the inquiry chief on Wednesday morning.

The conduct of the Australian Federal Police and the Director of Public Prosecutions Shane Drumgold during the trial will be the subject of the powerful new probe with the power to issue search warrants and compel witnesses to give evidence.'
....
'A former Queensland Solicitor-General, Mr Sofronoff KC most recently led the high profile Commission of Inquiry into Forensic DNA Testing in Queensland.

He previously served as the President of the Queensland Court of Appeal (2017–2022) and as the Solicitor-General of Queensland from 2005 to 2014.

Mr Sofronoff was involved in a number of high-profile cases, including those involving surgeon Jayant Patel and the Aurukun Nine, nine men convicted of the gang rape of a 10-year-old girl in far north Queensland.

Sofronoff was also involved in a successful High Court appeal that overturned the Queensland Court of Appeal’s decision to downgrade Gerard Baden-Clay’s murder conviction to manslaughter.

He previously led the Grantham Floods Commission of Inquiry and a review of Queensland’s parole system in 2016.'
 
Kurve said:
I hope it's followed through on, the public needs it to go that wide. imo.
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Sokronoff will 'take no prisoners'.
BFew said:
Good to see someone like Sofronoff heading this inquiry.

'Retired judge Walter Sofronoff KC to head inquiry following Bruce Lehrmann trial'​

'News.com.au has confirmed that Mr Sofronoff KC was formally appointed by the ACT Cabinet on Tuesday afternoon and that the ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr will announce the inquiry chief on Wednesday morning.

The conduct of the Australian Federal Police and the Director of Public Prosecutions Shane Drumgold during the trial will be the subject of the powerful new probe with the power to issue search warrants and compel witnesses to give evidence.'
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'A former Queensland Solicitor-General, Mr Sofronoff KC most recently led the high profile Commission of Inquiry into Forensic DNA Testing in Queensland.

He previously served as the President of the Queensland Court of Appeal (2017–2022) and as the Solicitor-General of Queensland from 2005 to 2014.

Mr Sofronoff was involved in a number of high-profile cases, including those involving surgeon Jayant Patel and the Aurukun Nine, nine men convicted of the gang rape of a 10-year-old girl in far north Queensland.

Sofronoff was also involved in a successful High Court appeal that overturned the Queensland Court of Appeal’s decision to downgrade Gerard Baden-Clay’s murder conviction to manslaughter.

He previously led the Grantham Floods Commission of Inquiry and a review of Queensland’s parole system in 2016.'
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BFew said:
Good to see someone like Sofronoff heading this inquiry.

'Retired judge Walter Sofronoff KC to head inquiry following Bruce Lehrmann trial'​

'News.com.au has confirmed that Mr Sofronoff KC was formally appointed by the ACT Cabinet on Tuesday afternoon and that the ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr will announce the inquiry chief on Wednesday morning.

The conduct of the Australian Federal Police and the Director of Public Prosecutions Shane Drumgold during the trial will be the subject of the powerful new probe with the power to issue search warrants and compel witnesses to give evidence.'
....
'A former Queensland Solicitor-General, Mr Sofronoff KC most recently led the high profile Commission of Inquiry into Forensic DNA Testing in Queensland.

He previously served as the President of the Queensland Court of Appeal (2017–2022) and as the Solicitor-General of Queensland from 2005 to 2014.

Mr Sofronoff was involved in a number of high-profile cases, including those involving surgeon Jayant Patel and the Aurukun Nine, nine men convicted of the gang rape of a 10-year-old girl in far north Queensland.

Sofronoff was also involved in a successful High Court appeal that overturned the Queensland Court of Appeal’s decision to downgrade Gerard Baden-Clay’s murder conviction to manslaughter.

He previously led the Grantham Floods Commission of Inquiry and a review of Queensland’s parole system in 2016.'
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Due to report by June 30 2023. I can see that being extended as the lawyers 'lawyer up '.
 
Xtreme said:
Bruce is going to get rich!
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Just like I'm gonna be rich because I bought a Powerball ticket.

He's got not one but TWO SCs leading his defamation cases. A surefire way to rush headlong to bankruptcy for someone with zero cred. and questionable financial backing.

And unlike his aborted rape trial the onus of proof for defamation is all on HIM.

 
Xtreme said:
Bruce is going to get rich!
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Sure he is. Especially after his action fails, and his legal bills come in. But I imagine his former political masters Cash and Reynolds will come to the party.... those bastions of credibility that they are. I'm not sure who is more deluded between you or Lehrmann or Reynolds or Cash.
 
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