In hindsight. He was comfortably best 22 in 2021 though.
List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 6
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McClure reckons we're leading the race for HH ahead of Swans and Pies.
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McClure still believes that Martin can't be at Richmond in 2024. So I'd be taking this news with a whole heap of salt, instead of a pinch
You throw enough darts at a dart board your bound to get 1 to hit. This could be the one that hits.
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Pretty costly draft pick if you ask me.
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What draft pick? He is a free agent.
In fairness, and I don't like the guy - that was an opinion, rather than a scoop. He generally has good mail.
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His constant harping on about Martin is heading elsewhere, hurts any credibility he had left.
I reckon it was a legitimate chance last year, I don't think he made it up.
Nest minute Dusty extends 2 years on $500k to assist the club and stick it up Sam
Like my post if you want HH
Disagree with my post if you don't want HH
I will forward my findings to the club LOL
Disagree with my post if you don't want HH
I will forward my findings to the club LOL
I have already spoken with Matty
HH changed his mind after Dimma left and he is staying
McClure just gets his info from bigfooty since he got cut off at his Local
Surely that cant be true, I saw him give Taranto a big old hug on the final siren and whispered something in Tim's ear that made him smile and blush.
I caught up with Matty today and he says is HH is back on after Kingsley played him in the backline and didn't give him any coaches votes on the weekend
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Yep, that's pretty much all the stuff you wrote in your original post, right?
Do you want me to repeat myself too?
Just in case ... The optics look bad right now mate.
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I think you’re missing the overall point. It doesn’t matter if Brown never plays a game. The point is we thought Brown was a better option so we drafted him.
Why lose sleep over bypassing a player who might have been a better option? It’s mostly a lottery and everyone is a drafting genius in hindsight.
You win some (Bolton, Balta, D Rioli, Baker, Short, Broad, Ryan, Picket, Graham) and you lose some.
Our 3 flags and on-going competitiveness post dynasty shows our list management team has won a hell of a lot more than they’ve lost.
If we stuffed up in bypassing JVR who cares? Most other clubs bypassed his as well so he clearly wasn’t a lock to be a good player.
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Hmm not sure of his cred However I find it hard to believe we wouldn’t be considering he’s FA , the links to TT and Hopp will help no end
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I know.
But because he's a FA somehow he's worth it.
If we had too trade is he still worth it?
Thats all part of the Free Agency makeup
You pay extra dollars
The players get ability to earn more and select where they go
If you have to trade then you give up other assets (trade picks) which limits movement
In HH situation Trade = $550k x 5
Free Agency = $700k x 3
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Don’t have an issue with Blair as an individual, but I am kinda getting over the unit as a whole since 2018. I’ve noticed in the past few years that they’re reactive more than proactive.
- Our backline lost Rance in 2019 and Astbury began his decline in the 2020 season. Took them until after Astbury left to address it (Tyler Young, Tarrant).
- Our midfield was starting to decline in 2020 and they only really addressed it last year besides taking Sonsie in 2021. Way too late.
- Chol and CCJ departed and Riewoldt’s decline started a couple of seasons ago. They haven’t really started to address it except for taking Bauer and Bradtke in the MSD and SSP. That’s a bad strategy because most good KPFs come in the first round of the draft or are traded in, let alone the MSD and SSP.
Even in 2017 and 2018, we basically went into the season with 1 KPF. Griffiths and Vickery already left before 2017, so it took them until after the 2018 offseason (Lynch) to do something about it. In my view, the list managers/recruiters were saved by two things:
1. Their fantastic recruiting/drafting in 2016-2017, and
2. A panel of great coaches that devised a gamestyle that shocked the competition. Otherwise, going in with one KPF in our best 22 is a bad strategy.
Yes, they put a list together that won 3 Premierships, but we also had a coach that won us 3 Premierships, and a captain that won us 3 Premierships, and a top range KPF that won us 3 Premierships. Yet, we’ve said goodbye to that coach and will likely have those two players leave by the year’s end as well.
I just don’t have confidence that our list managers and recruiters will get us to a Premiership again soon. It just looks like they’re chasing tail to me now.
Having said that, I haven’t given up completely on them because I really want to see what happens with the 2021 and 2022 draftees (as well as the upcoming 2023 draft). If they nail these picks, then they’ll have my confidence back.
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For all this talk about HH being free and not having to trade for him.
Let me ask you all this.
What happens if we offer HH a deal of 3 x $800k and GWS decide to match?
Now before you all jump on and say that won't happen, so it's not worth discussing, let me remind you that GWS matched for Cameron when Geelong put forward a deal that everyone thought they wouldn't match because the deal was too big for them to match and they were going to get a first round pick for him & it would help free up cap space for them moving forward.
However GWS were more than happy to match for force Geelong to trade, so there is a good reason to believe that GWS couldn't look at our offer and think that matching and forcing a trade could net them a deal that better suits their list build strategy.
As it stands they already have 2 R1 picks this year as we know, with our pick and their own. They could very well decide that having another 2 x R1 picks in 2024 could be more valuable to them than having 3 picks in this years draft. They can then add 2 of the best available kids this year and then be in the market in 2024 for someone to bring in via trade in 2024 or they could then add another 1-2 highly rated kids in 2024 as they take the gamble that we have another year like this year and they end up with another top 10 pick anyway, all they've done is spread their picks across 2 years instead of having to take 3 this year.
With that in mind, would you HH fans still:
Want Richmond to follow through and complete the trade? Thus trading away yet another first round pick.
Or
Would you want them to look foolish and back away from the deal and hurt their reputation as a club that gets deals done once they commit to them?
Let me ask you all this.
What happens if we offer HH a deal of 3 x $800k and GWS decide to match?
Now before you all jump on and say that won't happen, so it's not worth discussing, let me remind you that GWS matched for Cameron when Geelong put forward a deal that everyone thought they wouldn't match because the deal was too big for them to match and they were going to get a first round pick for him & it would help free up cap space for them moving forward.
However GWS were more than happy to match for force Geelong to trade, so there is a good reason to believe that GWS couldn't look at our offer and think that matching and forcing a trade could net them a deal that better suits their list build strategy.
As it stands they already have 2 R1 picks this year as we know, with our pick and their own. They could very well decide that having another 2 x R1 picks in 2024 could be more valuable to them than having 3 picks in this years draft. They can then add 2 of the best available kids this year and then be in the market in 2024 for someone to bring in via trade in 2024 or they could then add another 1-2 highly rated kids in 2024 as they take the gamble that we have another year like this year and they end up with another top 10 pick anyway, all they've done is spread their picks across 2 years instead of having to take 3 this year.
With that in mind, would you HH fans still:
Want Richmond to follow through and complete the trade? Thus trading away yet another first round pick.
Or
Would you want them to look foolish and back away from the deal and hurt their reputation as a club that gets deals done once they commit to them?
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I believe and correct me if I’m wrong their Salary cap is still stretched to capacity with some more players to resign. I’d doubt we would put our offer in front of him if there was any hope of them matching. We just wouldn’t do it. The due diligence would be done well in advance
Saying Dusty should go to the Suns on $500k over 3 years to clear $1.4 of our salary cap shows how much of an idea he has, love how Hutchy shuts him down lol
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I'd say losing Taranto Hopper Bruhn & Hill last year, plus they may well have Ward retire and Preuss could be moved on having only play 10 games in 3 seasons since joining the Giants, would have helped ease their cap pressure.
If we're going to sign HH, it has to be on a deal that best suits us and not something that looks after the Giants because we want to get him for "free". $800k x 3 isn't free, IMO it handcuffs us a little in terms of moves that we could make as our cap is likely to be a lot tighter than it could otherwise be if we overpay for HH.
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